Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Ok thanks Bee, Nice to hear back from you too. Do you think I should be taking all the supplements at this time as well? I'm getting high minerals from all the broth and adding liquid trace minerals to my R/O water. The reason I ask is because sometimes I get heartburn from so many pills and wonder if I'll end up having a harder time breaking them down when I'm not having any solid foods. Elyse On 12/22/07, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote: > > > > > > I didn't feel like having solid food a couple of days ago so I just > > started having the egg drink and chicken broth. This is now my third > > day on that. > > > > How long is it ok to stay on this, should I start having anything else > > like vegetables or can I continue on the liquid diet longer. > > > > Elyse > > ==>Hi Elyse. It is good to hear from you. You can safely stay on that > kind a liquid diet a couple of weeks, sometimes more. You can start > adding pureed cooked foods anytime, and then gradually add more solids. > > Bee > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 > > Ok thanks Bee, > Nice to hear back from you too. Do you think I should be taking all > the supplements at this time as well? I'm getting high minerals from > all the broth and adding liquid trace minerals to my R/O water. > > The reason I ask is because sometimes I get heartburn from so many > pills and wonder if I'll end up having a harder time breaking them > down when I'm not having any solid foods. ==>Yes, you should be taking all of the supplements as well; diet plus supplements equals " all of the nutrients " your body needs. Minerals aren't the only important nutrients required. Heartburn isn't caused by the pills; it is caused by a lack of enough hydrochloric acid (HCl) in the stomach, which is common for candida sufferers. You should be taking Betaine HCl, and also 2 tbl. of good sauerkraut with all foods and supplements. Supplements should also be taken with foods. If your stomach isn't making enough HCl it also won't be making enough bicarbonate of soda (baking soda) which protects the lining of the stomach from being damaged by the HCl. When you get heartburn take 1/4 to 1/2 tsp. of baking soda in some warm water to alleviate it. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 OK, I wasn't sure about that. I'm going to stay on this as long as I can. Thank you so much. Elyse On 12/22/07, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote: > ==>Yes, you should be taking all of the supplements as well; diet > plus supplements equals " all of the nutrients " your body needs. > Minerals aren't the only important nutrients required. > > Heartburn isn't caused by the pills; it is caused by a lack of enough > hydrochloric acid (HCl) in the stomach, which is common for candida > sufferers. You should be taking Betaine HCl, and also 2 tbl. of good > sauerkraut with all foods and supplements. Supplements should also > be taken with foods. If your stomach isn't making enough HCl it also > won't be making enough bicarbonate of soda (baking soda) which > protects the lining of the stomach from being damaged by the HCl. > > When you get heartburn take 1/4 to 1/2 tsp. of baking soda in some > warm water to alleviate it. > > Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Hi Bee, I've been having a Bee's drink daily that I stretch over 2 meals for months now. It has 5 eggs plus 5 T. coconut oil, butter and the spices. I eat some type of meat or fish and veggies for dinner plus fermented cabbage after the drink (and supplements and salt). It sounds like from what you say that it's not good to stay on a mostly liquid diet for an extended time. Does that apply if one has solids for one of the three meals? Also, can you explain why it's unsafe to continue a liquid diet for extended periods of time? I just want to make sure I'm not on the wrong track somehow. Thanks, Anita T. > On 12/22/07, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote: You can safely stay on that > > kind a liquid diet a couple of weeks, sometimes more. You can start > > adding pureed cooked foods anytime, and then gradually add more solids. > > > > Bee > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 > > Hi Bee, > I've been having a Bee's drink daily that I stretch over 2 meals for > months now. It has 5 eggs plus 5 T. coconut oil, butter and the spices. > I eat some type of meat or fish and veggies for dinner plus fermented > cabbage after the drink (and supplements and salt). It sounds like > from what you say that it's not good to stay on a mostly liquid diet > for an extended time. Does that apply if one has solids for one of the > three meals? Also, can you explain why it's unsafe to continue a > liquid diet for extended periods of time? I just want to make sure I'm > not on the wrong track somehow. > Thanks, Anita T. ==>You are not on a liquid diet if you have any solids in addition to liquids. If did not write it was unsafe to stay on a liquid diet. It is better to get back into digesting solids when a person can. I don't think you are on the wrong track. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Why were you on a liquid diet for a year? Do you become ill when you eat solid food that is GF, do you become ill, or do you become ill after eating any solid food? What does your doctor say about this? I would think that a year on a liquid diet might change your bowel capabilities in ways unrelated to gluten. H. -----Original Message----- From: driley99 <driley99@...> Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:35 pm Subject: RE: [ ] What is glutened? After having followed a liquid fast for a year with no symptoms ever of celiac disease, I again started on food last July. As soon as I started on solid food, I began to get sick with bowel problems, extreme gassiness, and weakness. I was diagnosed with last October, just a few months later. I have had a few bouts of accidental gluten ingestion since then. My symptoms usually begin the next day and are bowel related— with each urination little, stringy, and thin feces, and some diarrhea. Occasionally I will get some bloating but nothing like before diagnosis. It takes a week or more for normalcy to return. I know it is gluten related because the symptoms are always the same for me and only happens after I eat out. My home is totally gluten free. D From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ ] What is glutened? I don't have answers for all your questions. I think the symptoms are highly variable. Not surprising, when you consider that half the people with CD have no GI symptoms when they're diagnosed! For me, I have up to 15 hours of extremely intense vomiting. It usually begins about two to six hours after accidental gluten ingestion. I feel weak for a couple of weeks afterward. So far, it's been pretty clear what the source was. It never happens at home -- at least, not since the family members who sometimes share a house with me learned what's involved and eliminated the risk factors. H. So when people say I was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How long after eating the food you feel bad? I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in several places. Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the group thinks. -----Original Message----- From: rami_keisari <rami_keisari > Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:22 am Subject: [ ] What is glutened? So when people say I was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How long after eating the food you feel bad? I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in several places. Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the group thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 I was very heavy and had given up trying to lose. The diet was a last resort. I came down with celiac symptoms when I started back on solid foods. I started having other symptoms (turns out to be of CD) as soon as I started on solid food and I kept thinking my body was having trouble adjusting. I kept getting weaker, my stools were yellow, diarrhea, etc. My boyfriend convinced me I needed to see my regular doctor. The anemia was troubling, I mentioned celiac disease, and she sent me for blood tests and a colonoscopy to see what the chronic anemia was about. The GI doctor wasn’t going to do a biopsy (he thought 60 was too old to suddenly have CD), but decided he might as well. Everything started to come together. I told the GI doctor about the sudden onset, but he didn’t give any opinion. I have been off the diet long enough now that my bowels are normal, except when I get ingest gluten. I have read the sometimes when someone has been through starvation (like in World War II) or had a physical trauma, CD may suddenly appear. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [ ] liquid diet Why were you on a liquid diet for a year? Do you become ill when you eat solid food that is GF, do you become ill, or do you become ill after eating any solid food? What does your doctor say about this? I would think that a year on a liquid diet might change your bowel capabilities in ways unrelated to gluten. H. -----Original Message----- From: driley99 <driley99comcast (DOT) net> Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:35 pm Subject: RE: [ ] What is glutened? After having followed a liquid fast for a year with no symptoms ever of celiac disease, I again started on food last July. As soon as I started on solid food, I began to get sick with bowel problems, extreme gassiness, and weakness. I was diagnosed with last October, just a few months later. I have had a few bouts of accidental gluten ingestion since then. My symptoms usually begin the next day and are bowel related— with each urination little, stringy, and thin feces, and some diarrhea. Occasionally I will get some bloating but nothing like before diagnosis. It takes a week or more for normalcy to return. I know it is gluten related because the symptoms are always the same for me and only happens after I eat out. My home is totally gluten free. D From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ ] What is glutened? I don't have answers for all your questions. I think the symptoms are highly variable. Not surprising, when you consider that half the people with CD have no GI symptoms when they're diagnosed! For me, I have up to 15 hours of extremely intense vomiting. It usually begins about two to six hours after accidental gluten ingestion. I feel weak for a couple of weeks afterward. So far, it's been pretty clear what the source was. It never happens at home -- at least, not since the family members who sometimes share a house with me learned what's involved and eliminated the risk factors. H. So when people say I was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How long after eating the food you feel bad? I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in several places. Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the group thinks. -----Original Message----- From: rami_keisari <rami_keisari > Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:22 am Subject: [ ] What is glutened? So when people say I was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How long after eating the food you feel bad? I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in several places. Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the group thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 The doctor said that sixty is too old to suddenly have CD? This guy doesn't know much about the disorder, in my opinion. CD, like other autoimmune disorders, can appear at any age. As one gets OLDER, autoimmune diseases become more common. You may have had sudden onset of CD, or it may be that the symptoms suddenly appeared. Half the people with CD had no GI symptoms at diagnosis. (I didn't have any back then.) You're right in saying that CD, like any AD, can be activated by stress of any kind. You must have the appropriate genes for this to happen. The example of CD after near-starvation in war-time Europe doesn't give starvation itself as the cause. The presumable cause is that people had little access to wheat, rye, and barley during this time, and people who had CD (unknown then) became healthier. When times became easier and gluten-containing foods were available again, these people went back to their previous patterns of illness. Observing this, a doctor figured out the basis of CD. I'm going by memory on this, and I've never been sure whether this story is apocryphal. Two sites you may find useful are celiac.com and AARDA.org. There are many others, of course. H. The GI doctor wasn’t going to do a biopsy (he thought 60 was too old to suddenly have CD), but decided he might as well. . . . I told the GI doctor about the sudden onset, but he didn’t give any opinion. . . . I have read the sometimes when someone has been through starvation (like in World War II) or had a physical trauma, CD may suddenly appear. -----Original Message----- From: driley99 <driley99@...> Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:08 pm Subject: RE: [ ] liquid diet I was very heavy and had given up trying to lose. The diet was a last resort. I came down with celiac symptoms when I started back on solid foods. I started having other symptoms (turns out to be of CD) as soon as I started on solid food and I kept thinking my body was having trouble adjusting. I kept getting weaker, my stools were yellow, diarrhea, etc. My boyfriend convinced me I needed to see my regular doctor. The anemia was troubling, I mentioned celiac disease, and she sent me for blood tests and a colonoscopy to see what the chronic anemia was about. The GI doctor wasn’t going to do a biopsy (he thought 60 was too old to suddenly have CD), but decided he might as well. Everything started to come together. I told the GI doctor about the sudden onset, but he didn’t give any opinion. I have been off the diet long enough now that my bowels are normal, except when I get ingest gluten. I have read the sometimes when someone has been through starvation (like in World War II) or had a physical trauma, CD may suddenly appear. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [ ] liquid diet Why were you on a liquid diet for a year? Do you become ill when you eat solid food that is GF, do you become ill, or do you become ill after eating any solid food? What does your doctor say about this? I would think that a year on a liquid diet might change your bowel capabilities in ways unrelated to gluten. H. -----Original Message----- From: driley99 <driley99comcast (DOT) net> Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:35 pm Subject: RE: [ ] What is glutened? After having followed a liquid fast for a year with no symptoms ever of celiac disease, I again started on food last July. As soon as I started on solid food, I began to get sick with bowel problems, extreme gassiness, and weakness. I was diagnosed with last October, just a few months later. I have had a few bouts of accidental gluten ingestion since then. My symptoms usually begin the next day and are bowel related— with each urination little, stringy, and thin feces, and some diarrhea. Occasionally I will get some bloating but nothing like before diagnosis. It takes a week or more for normalcy to return. I know it is gluten related because the symptoms are always the same for me and only happens after I eat out. My home is totally gluten free. D From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ ] What is glutened? I don't have answers for all your questions. I think the symptoms are highly variable. Not surprising, when you consider that half the people with CD have no GI symptoms when they're diagnosed! For me, I have up to 15 hours of extremely intense vomiting. It usually begins about two to six hours after accidental gluten ingestion. I feel weak for a couple of weeks afterward. So far, it's been pretty clear what the source was. It never happens at home -- at least, not since the family members who sometimes share a house with me learned what's involved and eliminated the risk factors. H. So when people say I was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How long after eating the food you feel bad? I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in several places. Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the group thinks. -----Original Message----- From: rami_keisari <rami_keisari > Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:22 am Subject: [ ] What is glutened? So when people say I was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How long after eating the food you feel bad? I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in several places. Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the group thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Now that I think of it, I was 60 when I was diagnosed with CD. I was diagnosed with another AD two years before. H. -----Original Message----- From: driley99 <driley99@...> Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:08 pm Subject: RE: [ ] liquid diet I was very heavy and had given up trying to lose. The diet was a last resort. I came down with celiac symptoms when I started back on solid foods. I started having other symptoms (turns out to be of CD) as soon as I started on solid food and I kept thinking my body was having trouble adjusting. I kept getting weaker, my stools were yellow, diarrhea, etc. My boyfriend convinced me I needed to see my regular doctor. The anemia was troubling, I mentioned celiac disease, and she sent me for blood tests and a colonoscopy to see what the chronic anemia was about. The GI doctor wasn’t going to do a biopsy (he thought 60 was too old to suddenly have CD), but decided he might as well. Everything started to come together. I told the GI doctor about the sudden onset, but he didn’t give any opinion. I have been off the diet long enough now that my bowels are normal, except when I get ingest gluten. I have read the sometimes when someone has been through starvation (like in World War II) or had a physical trauma, CD may suddenly appear. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [ ] liquid diet Why were you on a liquid diet for a year? Do you become ill when you eat solid food that is GF, do you become ill, or do you become ill after eating any solid food? What does your doctor say about this? I would think that a year on a liquid diet might change your bowel capabilities in ways unrelated to gluten. H. -----Original Message----- From: driley99 <driley99comcast (DOT) net> Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:35 pm Subject: RE: [ ] What is glutened? After having followed a liquid fast for a year with no symptoms ever of celiac disease, I again started on food last July. As soon as I started on solid food, I began to get sick with bowel problems, extreme gassiness, and weakness. I was diagnosed with last October, just a few months later. I have had a few bouts of accidental gluten ingestion since then. My symptoms usually begin the next day and are bowel related— with each urination little, stringy, and thin feces, and some diarrhea. Occasionally I will get some bloating but nothing like before diagnosis. It takes a week or more for normalcy to return. I know it is gluten related because the symptoms are always the same for me and only happens after I eat out. My home is totally gluten free. D From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ ] What is glutened? I don't have answers for all your questions. I think the symptoms are highly variable. Not surprising, when you consider that half the people with CD have no GI symptoms when they're diagnosed! For me, I have up to 15 hours of extremely intense vomiting. It usually begins about two to six hours after accidental gluten ingestion. I feel weak for a couple of weeks afterward. So far, it's been pretty clear what the source was. It never happens at home -- at least, not since the family members who sometimes share a house with me learned what's involved and eliminated the risk factors. H. So when people say I was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How long after eating the food you feel bad? I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in several places. Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the group thinks. -----Original Message----- From: rami_keisari <rami_keisari > Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:22 am Subject: [ ] What is glutened? So when people say I was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How long after eating the food you feel bad? I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in several places. Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the group thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Thank you for the information! I’m just learning about CD and you have great insight. My GI doctor admitted that he didn’t have a tremendous amount of knowledge about CD and he depends on a couple of CD specialists uses as consultants. He said in 6 months I would know more than him. From what I have heard since diagnosis, it isn’t uncommon for those over 50 or 60 to be diagnosed. I went to the AARDA.org site you suggested and found that very interesting too. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [ ] liquid diet The doctor said that sixty is too old to suddenly have CD? This guy doesn't know much about the disorder, in my opinion. CD, like other autoimmune disorders, can appear at any age. As one gets OLDER, autoimmune diseases become more common. You may have had sudden onset of CD, or it may be that the symptoms suddenly appeared. Half the people with CD had no GI symptoms at diagnosis. (I didn't have any back then.) You're right in saying that CD, like any AD, can be activated by stress of any kind. You must have the appropriate genes for this to happen. The example of CD after near-starvation in war-time Europe doesn't give starvation itself as the cause. The presumable cause is that people had little access to wheat, rye, and barley during this time, and people who had CD (unknown then) became healthier. When times became easier and gluten-containing foods were available again, these people went back to their previous patterns of illness. Observing this, a doctor figured out the basis of CD. I'm going by memory on this, and I've never been sure whether this story is apocryphal. Two sites you may find useful are celiac.com and AARDA.org. There are many others, of course. H. The GI doctor wasn’t going to do a biopsy (he thought 60 was too old to suddenly have CD), but decided he might as well. . . . I told the GI doctor about the sudden onset, but he didn’t give any opinion. . . . I have read the sometimes when someone has been through starvation (like in World War II) or had a physical trauma, CD may suddenly appear. -----Original Message----- From: driley99 <driley99comcast (DOT) net> Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:08 pm Subject: RE: [ ] liquid diet I was very heavy and had given up trying to lose. The diet was a last resort. I came down with celiac symptoms when I started back on solid foods. I started having other symptoms (turns out to be of CD) as soon as I started on solid food and I kept thinking my body was having trouble adjusting. I kept getting weaker, my stools were yellow, diarrhea, etc. My boyfriend convinced me I needed to see my regular doctor. The anemia was troubling, I mentioned celiac disease, and she sent me for blood tests and a colonoscopy to see what the chronic anemia was about. The GI doctor wasn’t going to do a biopsy (he thought 60 was too old to suddenly have CD), but decided he might as well. Everything started to come together. I told the GI doctor about the sudden onset, but he didn’t give any opinion. I have been off the diet long enough now that my bowels are normal, except when I get ingest gluten. I have read the sometimes when someone has been through starvation (like in World War II) or had a physical trauma, CD may suddenly appear. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [ ] liquid diet Why were you on a liquid diet for a year? Do you become ill when you eat solid food that is GF, do you become ill, or do you become ill after eating any solid food? What does your doctor say about this? I would think that a year on a liquid diet might change your bowel capabilities in ways unrelated to gluten. H. -----Original Message----- From: driley99 <driley99comcast (DOT) net> Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:35 pm Subject: RE: [ ] What is glutened? After having followed a liquid fast for a year with no symptoms ever of celiac disease, I again started on food last July. As soon as I started on solid food, I began to get sick with bowel problems, extreme gassiness, and weakness. I was diagnosed with last October, just a few months later. I have had a few bouts of accidental gluten ingestion since then. My symptoms usually begin the next day and are bowel related— with each urination little, stringy, and thin feces, and some diarrhea. Occasionally I will get some bloating but nothing like before diagnosis. It takes a week or more for normalcy to return. I know it is gluten related because the symptoms are always the same for me and only happens after I eat out. My home is totally gluten free. D From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ ] What is glutened? I don't have answers for all your questions. I think the symptoms are highly variable. Not surprising, when you consider that half the people with CD have no GI symptoms when they're diagnosed! For me, I have up to 15 hours of extremely intense vomiting. It usually begins about two to six hours after accidental gluten ingestion. I feel weak for a couple of weeks afterward. So far, it's been pretty clear what the source was. It never happens at home -- at least, not since the family members who sometimes share a house with me learned what's involved and eliminated the risk factors. H. So when people say I was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How long after eating the food you feel bad? I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in several places. Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the group thinks. -----Original Message----- From: rami_keisari <rami_keisari > Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:22 am Subject: [ ] What is glutened? So when people say I was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How long after eating the food you feel bad? I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in several places. Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the group thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 ADs become more evident with age. Unfortunately, only a small percentage of the general population with CD are diagnosed. I wonder if older people are less diagnosed, relatively speaking. I don't know -- this is pure speculation. H. From what I have heard since diagnosis, it isn’t uncommon for those over 50 or 60 to be diagnosed. -----Original Message----- From: driley99 <driley99@...> Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2010 3:03 pm Subject: RE: [ ] liquid diet Thank you for the information! I’m just learning about CD and you have great insight. My GI doctor admitted that he didn’t have a tremendous amount of knowledge about CD and he depends on a couple of CD specialists uses as consultants. He said in 6 months I would know more than him. From what I have heard since diagnosis, it isn’t uncommon for those over 50 or 60 to be diagnosed. I went to the AARDA.org site you suggested and found that very interesting too. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [ ] liquid diet The doctor said that sixty is too old to suddenly have CD? This guy doesn't know much about the disorder, in my opinion. CD, like other autoimmune disorders, can appear at any age. As one gets OLDER, autoimmune diseases become more common. You may have had sudden onset of CD, or it may be that the symptoms suddenly appeared. Half the people with CD had no GI symptoms at diagnosis. (I didn't have any back then.) You're right in saying that CD, like any AD, can be activated by stress of any kind. You must have the appropriate genes for this to happen. The example of CD after near-starvation in war-time Europe doesn't give starvation itself as the cause. The presumable cause is that people had little access to wheat, rye, and barley during this time, and people who had CD (unknown then) became healthier. When times became easier and gluten-containing foods were available again, these people went back to their previous patterns of illness. Observing this, a doctor figured out the basis of CD. I'm going by memory on this, and I've never been sure whether this story is apocryphal. Two sites you may find useful are celiac.com and AARDA.org. There are many others, of course. H. The GI doctor wasn’t going to do a biopsy (he thought 60 was too old to suddenly have CD), but decided he might as well. . . . I told the GI doctor about the sudden onset, but he didn’t give any opinion. . . . I have read the sometimes when someone has been through starvation (like in World War II) or had a physical trauma, CD may suddenly appear. -----Original Message----- From: driley99 <driley99comcast (DOT) net> Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:08 pm Subject: RE: [ ] liquid diet I was very heavy and had given up trying to lose. The diet was a last resort. I came down with celiac symptoms when I started back on solid foods. I started having other symptoms (turns out to be of CD) as soon as I started on solid food and I kept thinking my body was having trouble adjusting. I kept getting weaker, my stools were yellow, diarrhea, etc. My boyfriend convinced me I needed to see my regular doctor. The anemia was troubling, I mentioned celiac disease, and she sent me for blood tests and a colonoscopy to see what the chronic anemia was about. The GI doctor wasn’t going to do a biopsy (he thought 60 was too old to suddenly have CD), but decided he might as well. Everything started to come together. I told the GI doctor about the sudden onset, but he didn’t give any opinion. I have been off the diet long enough now that my bowels are normal, except when I get ingest gluten. I have read the sometimes when someone has been through starvation (like in World War II) or had a physical trauma, CD may suddenly appear. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [ ] liquid diet Why were you on a liquid diet for a year? Do you become ill when you eat solid food that is GF, do you become ill, or do you become ill after eating any solid food? What does your doctor say about this? I would think that a year on a liquid diet might change your bowel capabilities in ways unrelated to gluten. H. -----Original Message----- From: driley99 <driley99comcast (DOT) net> Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:35 pm Subject: RE: [ ] What is glutened? After having followed a liquid fast for a year with no symptoms ever of celiac disease, I again started on food last July. As soon as I started on solid food, I began to get sick with bowel problems, extreme gassiness, and weakness. I was diagnosed with last October, just a few months later. I have had a few bouts of accidental gluten ingestion since then. My symptoms usually begin the next day and are bowel related— with each urination little, stringy, and thin feces, and some diarrhea. Occasionally I will get some bloating but nothing like before diagnosis. It takes a week or more for normalcy to return. I know it is gluten related because the symptoms are always the same for me and only happens after I eat out. My home is totally gluten free. D From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ ] What is glutened? I don't have answers for all your questions. I think the symptoms are highly variable. Not surprising, when you consider that half the people with CD have no GI symptoms when they're diagnosed! For me, I have up to 15 hours of extremely intense vomiting. It usually begins about two to six hours after accidental gluten ingestion. I feel weak for a couple of weeks afterward. So far, it's been pretty clear what the source was. It never happens at home -- at least, not since the family members who sometimes share a house with me learned what's involved and eliminated the risk factors. H. So when people say I was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How long after eating the food you feel bad? I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in several places. Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the group thinks. -----Original Message----- From: rami_keisari <rami_keisari > Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:22 am Subject: [ ] What is glutened? So when people say I was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How long after eating the food you feel bad? I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in several places. Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the group thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Is it full liquid or clear liquids? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2012, at 20:59, " tlstevens2004@... " <ravenstorm2008@...> wrote: > My surgery is scheduled for the 13th of April. I have to go on a liquid diet > for 2 days prior to surgery. Any suggestions on what would be acceptable is > greatly appreciated. > > S > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Jenn  Good lucky with you surgery.  Suzanne > > > My surgery is scheduled for the 13th of April. I have to go on a liquid > diet > > for 2 days prior to surgery. Any suggestions on what would be acceptable > is > > greatly appreciated. > > > > S > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Thanks! Counting down the sleeps!!! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2012, at 14:01, Suzanne Lee <suzannel130@...> wrote: > Jenn > > Good lucky with you surgery. > > Suzanne > > > > > > > My surgery is scheduled for the 13th of April. I have to go on a liquid > > diet > > > for 2 days prior to surgery. Any suggestions on what would be acceptable > > is > > > greatly appreciated. > > > > > > S > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Thanks for the information. I did do a Google search so I got a few ideas. S -- Re: Liquid Diet > > Is it full liquid or clear liquids? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 6, 2012, at 20:59, " tlstevens2004@... " <ravenstorm2008@gmail > com> wrote: > > > My surgery is scheduled for the 13th of April. I have to go on a liquid > diet > > for 2 days prior to surgery. Any suggestions on what would be acceptable > is > > greatly appreciated. > > > > S > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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