Guest guest Posted October 10, 2002 Report Share Posted October 10, 2002 Ruth: I'm interested in any new techniques that will help my sometimes fitful sleep. What is it that lasts for 15 minutes (your renewed energy?) Will staring quietly at a focal point for a while bring about a drowsy state and sleep??? Anything more you have to add along these lines would be appreciated. on 10/10/2002 10:30 AM, Ruth at cccucc@... wrote: > One thing I do know, I had a sense of well being and rest after the period > we were in the hypnotic state. That I found interesting and so have used > the 'hypnotic' state for a kind of renewal of energy when I don't have time > for full sleep. It usually lasts about 15 minutes or so. > > Just by staring quietly at one focal point will usually bring about that > drowsy, drop-out state for me. > > Ruth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2002 Report Share Posted October 10, 2002 I had a bad sleeping disorder, in which it would take 2-3 hours to fall asleep, and I would wake up about 10-15 times during the night. These days I can fall asleep within 15 minutes of setting my mind on it (though I still wake up during the night). The goal is to stop thinking. The methods vary. Ruth stares at a focal point, I close my eyes and focus on the virtual dots of light, other pray, say a mantra, hum, whatever. Hope this helps, Micky. -----Original Message----- From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Hypnosis/sleep Ruth: I'm interested in any new techniques that will help my sometimes fitful sleep. What is it that lasts for 15 minutes (your renewed energy?) Will staring quietly at a focal point for a while bring about a drowsy state and sleep??? Anything more you have to add along these lines would be appreciated. on 10/10/2002 10:30 AM, Ruth at cccucc@... wrote: > One thing I do know, I had a sense of well being and rest after the period > we were in the hypnotic state. That I found interesting and so have used > the 'hypnotic' state for a kind of renewal of energy when I don't have time > for full sleep. It usually lasts about 15 minutes or so. > > Just by staring quietly at one focal point will usually bring about that > drowsy, drop-out state for me. > > Ruth > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: -unsubscribeegroups Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2002 Report Share Posted October 10, 2002 Micky: any info helps so thanks. My main problem like yours, is also waking several times during the night and not sleeping deeply (ie. fitfully). Unfortunately this is very common among us senior citizens. I've started exercising more vigorously so that instead of walking, I'm now walking/jogging and hoping the more vigorous workout will help. I get the feeling though that until they find out why sleep is so disruptive as people age, there isn't much that can be done (short of taking a sleeping pill which I do sometimes resort to). on 10/10/2002 2:02 PM, Micky Snir at mickys@... wrote: > I had a bad sleeping disorder, in which it would take 2-3 hours to fall > asleep, and I would wake up about 10-15 times during the night. These > days I can fall asleep within 15 minutes of setting my mind on it > (though I still wake up during the night). The goal is to stop thinking. > The methods vary. Ruth stares at a focal point, I close my eyes and > focus on the virtual dots of light, other pray, say a mantra, hum, > whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2002 Report Share Posted October 10, 2002 You mean you can't read my mind when I know what I mean? Sorry for the fuzziness of part of my communication. It is the 'hypnotic' state that lasts generally about 15 minutes, though I have stretched that up to a half hour. If I focus (2nd paragraph down) and will myself to sleep, i.e., project that my eyelids are getting heavy and want to close; I'm warm and comfortable; I'm very relaxed (start by tensing your toes and relaxing them; then work up the body tensing and then relaxing the muscles; or if that is my intention going into it, I seem to just drop off into sleep after consciously (you may just go into a deeper sleep and not have to end the state consciously) ending the 'hypnotic' state. (I'm using the single quotes around the word as I'm not sure a professional would recognize this as an hypnotic state.) Basically, I use this for those mornings when I awaken at any time and can't get back to sleep again using the conventional means or rolling over. I find that willing myself to come to full consciousness I have a renewed vitality, energy and sense of well being not present before this practice. This I usually use during the day when I will need to have my wits about me to accomplish other tasks. By focusing on a point I meant a stationary object: a light, picture, window, candle, fold of material in a drapery or part of the print ....... almost anything. Since starting a practice of meditation about 4-5 years ago, I can now visualize something to focus on with about the same results. I don't know if they are still available, but years ago I obtained tapes from Stanford Heart Disease Prevention Program (SHDPP) Relaxation Tape I and II; they were so good that it took me weeks before I could get through side one of the first tape without falling asleep! If you have any other questions, I'll try to answer them. Good luck on getting to sleep and, at night, staying asleep. I actually slept for seven hours straight last night! Ruth From: Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> Reply- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:54:10 -0400 < > Subject: Re: [ ] Hypnosis/sleep Ruth: I'm interested in any new techniques that will help my sometimes fitful sleep. What is it that lasts for 15 minutes (your renewed energy?) Will staring quietly at a focal point for a while bring about a drowsy state and sleep??? Anything more you have to add along these lines would be appreciated. on 10/10/2002 10:30 AM, Ruth at cccucc@... wrote: > One thing I do know, I had a sense of well being and rest after the period > we were in the hypnotic state. That I found interesting and so have used > the 'hypnotic' state for a kind of renewal of energy when I don't have time > for full sleep. It usually lasts about 15 minutes or so. > > Just by staring quietly at one focal point will usually bring about that > drowsy, drop-out state for me. > > Ruth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 > My main problem like yours, is also waking several times during > the night and not sleeping deeply (ie. fitfully). > Unfortunately this is very common among us senior citizens. As you may know, there are several approaches to that. Ornithine - or sometimes Arginine or Tryptophan - can be effective. Some people use herbal concoctions that help assist sleep. Avoiding stimulants - and things that cause low blood sugar (e.g. refined carbohydrates) - can sometimes help. Also - for those interested in living long lives - Melatonin may be worth considering. Melatonin seems extremely effective in inducing sleep to me. It's a powerful drug, and not everyone is likely to like it - but I think those with sleep problems should look at it. http://home.earthlink.net/~astrology/curing_insomnia.htm lists a large number of other things that some people find beneficial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 --- Francesca Skelton <fskelton@e...> wrote: > Tim: is this for real? This link you list is a sublink of > this astrology site: http://home.earthlink.net/~astrology/. > While " Anita " lists a number of known substances like melatonin > to help sleep, she also says such strange things as > " Keep a piece of cheese wrapped in saran wrap under the other > pillow. (If there¹s no one sleeping on it.). Every time you > wake, take a bite, chew well, then rinse your mouth with the > sleepytime tea mix, rinse several times, drink some more tea > just to go down again. " . That is not particularly strange advice - in my opinion. High carbohydrate smacks before sleeping keep the blood sugar up - and tryptophan, protein and calcium all seem widely recommended for insomnia. ``The best bedtime snack is one that has both complex carbohydrates and protein, and perhaps some calcium. Calcium helps the brain use the tryptophan to manufacture melatonin. This explains why dairy products, which contain both tryptophan and calcium, are one of the top sleep-inducing foods.'' - http://askdrsears.com/html/4/T042400.asp Cheese scores quite well on these fronts. I gather some people don't get on with some cheeses in this application because of the high Tyrosine content of some cheeses, though - cottage cheese is reported to provide the benefits without the downsides, being both high in tryphophan and low in Tyrosine. The advice about rinsing your mouth out seems designed to reduce the probability that complex carbohydrates will remain on your teeth - and contribute to tooth decay and gum disease while you sleep. I can't vouch for other pages by the same author - since I only looked at that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 > Avoiding stimulants - and things that cause low blood sugar (e.g. > refined carbohydrates) - can sometimes help. > Actually quite the reverse of my experience. I find any grain foods eaten right before sleep aids sleep - whether refined (a piece of a bagel or bread) or healthier unrefined (a bowl of oatmeal works well). Heat also aids sleep - turn up your heater - it has worked many times for me , A good thing to try unless you're of the " enduring not only hunger but also cold for the sake of a long life " philosophy as well ... I have never used hypnosis for sleep but I have fallen asleep a few times when I was physically tired and yet was trying to listen to a hypnosis tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 > > Avoiding stimulants - and things that cause low blood sugar (e.g. > > refined carbohydrates) - can sometimes help. > > Actually quite the reverse of my experience. I find any > grain foods eaten right before sleep aids sleep - whether > refined (a piece of a bagel or bread) or healthier unrefined > (a bowl of oatmeal works well). The issue of complex carbohydrates - verses a quick glucose fix - seems to be emphasised to me. The theory is that: ``A common reason for insomnia is hypoglycaemia, which is why some people wake up in the middle of the night or early morning feeling hungry. If the blood glucose falls too low it is a potentially dangerous situation for the brain, which is highly dependent on glucose for energy, and a drop in glucose levels promotes the release of glucose regulating hormones (adrenalin, glucagon, cortisol and growth hormone) and this wakes you up. For these people it is important to eat the right kind of food in the evening, which is slow releasing and will give long-lasting, steady energy.'' - http://www.health4youonline.com/nutrition_facts_insomnia.htm ....so bananas are good in this respect - but cakes are not - they'll make your blood sugar shoot up - but then shoot down again, causing awakening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 > Perhaps there was some merit to old advice of drinking a glass of > warm milk? After noting: " Calcium deficiency due to poor absorption or nutritional deficiency is a common factor in insomnia. Calcium (with magnesium) supplementation at bedtime frequently cures sleep disorders. " http://www.health4youonline.com/nutrition_facts_insomnia.htm ....goes on to say: " If you are not sensitive to dairy produce, a large glass of warm milk may be helpful just before bed, due to its tryptophan content, an amino acid found useful in inducing a safe, natural sleep without suppressing the REM and delta cycles. " I can't say I'd recommend drinking milk in this context. For one thing, milk seems likely to make you urinate. There are certainly other ways of getting calcium, tryptophan and ornithine into your body at bedtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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