RE: Re: Dramaticity of my sick behavior.

[Guest guest]

For goodness sakes people, go easy on yourselves. Even Walford eats out

once a week and admits to occasional straying from a strict regimen. You

don't have to be perfect. In fact you'll be mentally more healthy if you're

not obsessive about it.

on 10/26/2002 4:04 PM, somejoanne2002 at bhsnz@... wrote:

> Heaven forbid you ever slip up even a little .... (and

> slip up I do alas ...)

[Guest guest]

> For goodness sakes people, go easy on yourselves. Even

Walford eats out

Francesca and Joanne: Thank you for your advices.

It mades me more calm. I have to admit I was an

extremist. I was eating 1100 kcal/day. Now I will

moderate. But psicologicaly I prefer to tell others

the advantages of CR but tell they I'm not practicing

it. This works better for me because the social pressure

I could stand if I say the truth. Even to the CRSociety

I will tell that I'm not practing it (unless off list

to someone who I really trust).

> Heaven forbid you ever slip up even a little .... (an

Hehe. Joanne I think we have experiences to share.

But I will not starve more the way I've used to ...

I live with my parents right now and they force me to

eat. So I will tell they I'm not doing CR and eat less

without they knowledge. More aliviating... pressure

is bad!!

Cheers

Gandhi.

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> It makes a lot of sense. You sound like a rather shy a

nd sensitive

> type (as am I). And it is obvious that that being so -

being

> a " spokesperson " for CR would be stressful. It sets on

e apart and it

> creates a lot of pressure to be perfect in one's CR reg

ime for the

> sake of *the world* or for the sake of *one's 'integrit

y'* or

> something. Heaven forbid you ever slip up even a littl

e .... (and

> slip up I do alas ...)

I think you understand me preety clearly

So I prefer to say to others the benefits of CR but

saying that I'm normal and that I'm not practicing it.

> one's own life. It's *100% selfish*. And possibly t

o benefit/be

Yes. When I try to be a perfeccionist I'm being really

a selfish. That is my opinion. It's a personality

disturbance anyway. But the better thing we can do

to improve it is to be aware of it. And that is the

first steps towards the solution is conscientization.

So ... Thank you very much for your comment.

> with one's loved ones over time. Nothing more. It's b

asic *self-

> care* ....

Yes. And the goal is to increase self-stem and not

to decrease it. So if you are noting that trying to

be a perfectionism or being a " spokesperson " are

decreasing or self-stem or you are doing self-injury...

It's time to rethink the things... IMO... of course...

>

> Also as soon as people know your eating little is a con

scious

> decision based on CR principles -

they will start to pressure you to

> eat all the more. Funny how that works

That's what my mother do worried about me and my

condition. And she did it when I was living alone.

She is a very nice person and sometimes cookes things

for me to eat... funny isn't it ?

> Why be a spokesperson anyway?

> 1) to save others from themselves by converting them to

the CRON

> lifestyle. Information is always good. But if one is

to actually

> *advocate* CR with integrity they have to mention the c

avets - to

> mention that there are risks - like osteo -

at least of CR taken

> beyond a certain level.

That are people like Elixxir, who practices

CR and have the advantage to appear young. They can

say they are extremists (even if not) and convince a

lot of people to practice CR (because people will think

the thing works). This is not my case, anyway... So

I prefer to shut up or say that I'm not practicing it.

Some researchers says that they are not practicing

CR (even if they are practicing hidden) for not exposing

themselfs to the RIDICULOUS...

> 2) to get people interesting in the general concepts of

CR and

> lifespan extension in general. This is always benefici

al because

> hopefully it will lead to more research into CR and it'

s

> risks/benefits and even more importantly into more rese

arch into

> lifespan extension in general and a to a nice little CR

pill someday

> perhaps.

You can do it if you are a practioner.. or if you

are a reseracher. I have MSc... Now I'm doing my

PhD... and researching Molecular Biology... So I can

say it in the scientific point of view

>

> " Hide what you have to hide, and tell what you have to

tell "

> Depeche Mode

I like it too (depeche mode) )

Thank you for your advices !!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

o/Gandhi

We've chatted before, and I've seen you very happy because you fasted

totally on a given day, and now you're depressed because you pigged out

another day.

You should concentrate on your long-term averages, and not day-to-day

fluctuations so much. I don't worry if I have a very high calorie intake one

day. The shortest average I really give much credence is a one-month moving

average of my intake, and the longer the average the more useful it is to me

as a measure of my intake. I also don't get euphoric if I have a

particularly low caloric intake one day, in fact sometimes it bothers me

because I don't get enough protein, etc. Focus on the long-term averages

tends to put things in perspective.

[Guest guest]

> average of my intake, and the longer the average the mo

re useful it is to me

Hi Quantum! Thank you for your comments.

These discussion about averages are a

little confuse to me.

In lab experiments we know that

rats fasted in EOD have an increase up to 40% in their

longevities (in the case they are thin)

even if they eat only 8-9% less of AL in average.

This makes me think about that the weight is what counts

when you have a binge. Example: If you eat 4500 kcal one

day, you organism can only metabolize, armazenate and

use 3000. So in 24 hours of fasting you will have an

equivalent of 50% of restriction. The dangerous of

this behavior is that you could vomit or have

indigestion (what happened to me). Thus, in particular

for me, the standard kind of CR is better (if I will

practice it), because I could loose the control.

If you gain weight with EOD and feel disconfortable

( I particulary prefer to be thin) you can return to the

standard kind of CR and loose the pounds you've gained

with the EOD feeding. Combining schemes to me, in some

situations then, seems better.

> because I don't get enough protein, etc. Focus on the l

ong-term averages

Adequate nutrition is essential, as you pointed. CR

will not work without the ON part.

[]

Gandhi.

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I don't understand what you're saying below and I'm not familiar with those

lab results you refer to. You're saying that thin rats live much longer with

every-other-day fasting, but fat rats don't?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: ronaldo.luiz.alonso [mailto:ronaldo.luiz.alonso@...]

> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:11 PM

>

> Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Dramaticity of my sick behavior.

>

>

> > average of my intake, and the longer the average the mo

> re useful it is to me

>

> Hi Quantum! Thank you for your comments.

> These discussion about averages are a

> little confuse to me.

> In lab experiments we know that

> rats fasted in EOD have an increase up to 40% in their

> longevities (in the case they are thin)

> even if they eat only 8-9% less of AL in average.

> This makes me think about that the weight is what counts

> when you have a binge. Example: If you eat 4500 kcal one

> day, you organism can only metabolize, armazenate and

> use 3000. So in 24 hours of fasting you will have an

> equivalent of 50% of restriction. The dangerous of

> this behavior is that you could vomit or have

> indigestion (what happened to me). Thus, in particular

> for me, the standard kind of CR is better (if I will

> practice it), because I could loose the control.

> If you gain weight with EOD and feel disconfortable

> ( I particulary prefer to be thin) you can return to the

> standard kind of CR and loose the pounds you've gained

> with the EOD feeding. Combining schemes to me, in some

> situations then, seems better.