Re: Re:Is sugar a GOOD thing to eat? Need sugar to burn fat?

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I'm pretty sure of the calorie intake. I figure it daily on a spreadsheet, pretty close. The 2200 burn thing is an estimate based on the formulas, so it may not be true. In any case I don't lose that much. At the end of a week I might be down 1 # maybe 2, but over time it's very slow.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Micky Snir

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:56 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re:Is sugar a GOOD thing to eat? Need sugar to burn fat?

I couldn’t agree more regarding the need to loose weight slowly.

However, the numbers don’t add up. If you consume 1800Kcal/D, and burn 2200Kcal/D, you loose 400Kcal/day, which is 146000Kcal per year. Since one pound of fat is about 3500Kcal, then if you loose only fat, you loose 41 pounds of fat per year. But you don’t loose only fat, you loose lots of fluids and lean body mass, which is much less calorie-dense, so you would loose much more than 41 pounds during a year… assuming constant calorie expenditure (but you expend less as you loose weight, but still, I don’t think the numbers add up).

Loosing one pound per month, if only from fat (best case scenario) would give you a calorie deficit of 117Kcal/d.

Micky.

-----Original Message-----From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:Is sugar a GOOD thing to eat? Need sugar to burn fat?

Hi Micky,

I think I'm eating less than I burn at 1800 kcals pd. I found I lost weight more at first but settled out even though I think I burn 2200-3000 kcals. It is slow. I'm not sure I want to go much lower intake. I try to balance other things like elimination, energy level. One reason for going slow is if you lose more than 20# in a year the doctor gets excited and your insurance rate goes up. We know so little about the long term effects of weight loss, I think it's good to go slow. The other thing is there is a type of fat that is slow to come off. Walford says to work it off slowly because he thinks it contains toxins that would be released too quickly. So overall, I like to think I have control of how much I can lose and add on a given day. Like any system modulate it up and down and slowly go lower.

And if I could lose the fat only that would be nice also. I think sucrose helps if eaten in the morning before exercise. As for sleeping I don't have a problem with that, but some might. I don't eat sucrose to sleep. I guess the rate of fat lost at 100 kcals for 200 kcals of sucrose. So one oz of sucrose would lose 0.5 oz of fatty acids if I eat less each day than I burn. That's about a pound per month. In two years I'll be at maybe 165#.

Also, have you read about Dr Kempner's rice diet from 1942? They still use it at Duke for 300-500#ers, ricediet.com. Basically just rice, some fruit. But that's too extreme for me and used only in a clinical setting. It's interesting that it works.

Regards.

[Guest guest]

Calorie intake is what counts. I wish I could

go down to 1800 a day, like you.

-----Original Message-----

From: jwwright

[mailto:jwwright@...]

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002

3:12 PM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Re:Is sugar a GOOD thing to eat? Need sugar to burn fat?

I'm

pretty sure of the calorie intake. I figure it daily on a spreadsheet, pretty

close. The 2200 burn thing is an estimate based on the formulas, so it may not

be true. In any case I don't lose that much. At the end of a week I might be

down 1 # maybe 2, but over time it's very slow.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Micky

Snir

Sent: Wednesday,

November 06, 2002 10:56 AM

Subject: RE:

[ ] Re:Is sugar a GOOD thing to eat? Need sugar to burn fat?

I couldn’t agree

more regarding the need to loose weight slowly.

However, the numbers

don’t add up. If you consume 1800Kcal/D, and burn 2200Kcal/D, you loose

400Kcal/day, which is 146000Kcal per year. Since one pound of fat is about

3500Kcal, then if you loose only fat, you loose 41 pounds of fat per year. But

you don’t loose only fat, you loose lots of fluids and lean body mass,

which is much less calorie-dense, so you would loose much more than 41 pounds

during a year… assuming constant calorie expenditure (but you expend less

as you loose weight, but still, I don’t think the numbers add up).

Loosing one pound per

month, if only from fat (best case scenario) would give you a calorie deficit

of 117Kcal/d.

Micky.

-----Original Message-----

From: jwwright

[mailto:jwwright@...]

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002

8:28 AM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Re:Is sugar a GOOD thing to eat? Need sugar to burn fat?

Hi

Micky,

I

think I'm eating less than I burn at 1800 kcals pd. I found I lost weight more

at first but settled out even though I think I burn 2200-3000 kcals. It is

slow. I'm not sure I want to go much lower intake. I try to balance other

things like elimination, energy level. One reason for going slow is if

you lose more than 20# in a year the doctor gets excited and your insurance rate

goes up. We know so little about the long term effects of weight loss, I think

it's good to go slow. The other thing is there is a type of fat that is slow to

come off. Walford says to work it off slowly because he thinks it contains

toxins that would be released too quickly. So overall, I like to think I

have control of how much I can lose and add on a given day. Like any system

modulate it up and down and slowly go lower.

And

if I could lose the fat only that would be nice also. I think sucrose helps if

eaten in the morning before exercise. As for sleeping I don't have a

problem with that, but some might. I don't eat sucrose to sleep. I guess the

rate of fat lost at 100 kcals for 200 kcals of sucrose. So one oz of sucrose

would lose 0.5 oz of fatty acids if I eat less each day than I burn. That's

about a pound per month. In two years I'll be at maybe 165#.

Also,

have you read about Dr Kempner's rice diet from 1942? They still use it at Duke

for 300-500#ers, ricediet.com. Basically just rice, some fruit. But that's too

extreme for me and used only in a clinical setting. It's interesting that it

works.

Regards.

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