Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Thanks, Mickey, for coming out of the closet, as you put it. And thanks for the link, very interesting info on BED. My own experience is that, whether or not I restrict my calories, the binges go on. Lately at the rate of 4 to 6 per month. BED has been an ongoing challenge for me since the age of 12. But then, I have a family--and personal--history of depression, and I do think that that is a factor. Have you tried anything to address depression and, if so, what is your experience? Saw something on a news webpage recently about treating eating disorders with anti-depressants. What about something like SAM-e? I am going to give that a try, since my osteoarthritis has become quite troubling lately anyway. My experience with bingeing has been that, whenever I have not restricted intake between binges, I have become fat........which is even more depressing!! I would love to get away from such compulsions, and just be free. Any insights, shared experiences, would be most welcome. I have two sisters with BED also. Thanks.Ria Brownlow Email: riabrownlow@... STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 I’m sorry, but I’m a stranger to depression. I enjoy life so much, that I want to extend it, with… calorie restriction J After posting, I thought more about BED, and realized that my 10Kg gain during the 4 years between 1996 and 2000 were much a result of binge eating (I was gaining weight slower pre ’96; I started CR around 2000). Only then I never considered it a bad thing. I simply thought that the pizza leftovers are sooooooo good, and it would be a waste not to eat them right there and then. And when I was stuffed, I felt good. Today, 2 things bother me: losing control and not being calorie-restricted (for the life-extension benefits). At least I eat mostly fruit “during”. I also tend to relate my eating “habits” to a holocaust surviving mother that apparently made the resolution of never having hungry kids. Funny how things backfire J I don’t blame her though, and I feel and have the full responsibility for whatever I do. I tried looking for the trigger that sets it off for me. I seem to have been mostly wrong so far. Yesterday I found another possible one, which I probably missed because of its paradoxical nature: when the stomach volume exceeds some threshold, “it” starts. The reason why this may apply to me, is that I’m totally scared of going to bed hungry, so I “save” calories for the evening, thus quite often have my last 2 meals of the day spaced less than 3 hours apart. 2 hours is not uncommon. This may lead to both meals occupying my stomach at the same time, crossing the threshold volume and… So yesterday went fine; lets see how the next 60 years will go J Micky. -----Original Message----- From: Ria Brownlow [mailto:riabrownlow@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: [ ] BED Thanks, Mickey, for coming out of the closet, as you put it. And thanks for the link, very interesting info on BED. My own experience is that, whether or not I restrict my calories, the binges go on. Lately at the rate of 4 to 6 per month. BED has been an ongoing challenge for me since the age of 12. But then, I have a family--and personal--history of depression, and I do think that that is a factor. Have you tried anything to address depression and, if so, what is your experience? Saw something on a news webpage recently about treating eating disorders with anti-depressants. What about something like SAM-e? I am going to give that a try, since my osteoarthritis has become quite troubling lately anyway. My experience with bingeing has been that, whenever I have not restricted intake between binges, I have become fat........which is even more depressing!! I would love to get away from such compulsions, and just be free. Any insights, shared experiences, would be most welcome. I have two sisters with BED also. Thanks. Ria Brownlow Email: riabrownlow@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Micky: why are you scared of going to bed hungry? on 2/26/2003 5:08 PM, Micky Snir at mickys@... wrote: The reason why this may > apply to me, is that I'm totally scared of going to bed hungry, so I > " save " calories for the evening, (snipped) > > Micky. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ria Brownlow [mailto:riabrownlow@...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:47 PM > > Subject: [ ] BED > > > > Thanks, Mickey, for coming out of the closet, as you put > > it. And thanks for the link, very interesting info on BED. My > > own experience is that, whether or not I restrict my calories, > > the binges go on. Lately at the rate of 4 to 6 per month. > > BED has been an ongoing challenge for me since the age of > > 12. But then, I have a family--and personal--history of > > depression, and I do think that that is a factor. Have you > > tried anything to address depression > > and, if so, what is your experience? Saw something on a > > news webpage recently about treating eating disorders with > > anti-depressants. What about something like SAM-e? I am > > going to give that a try, since my osteoarthritis has become > > quite troubling lately anyway. My experience with bingeing has > > been that, whenever I have not restricted intake between binges, > > I have become fat........which is even more depressing!! I would > > love to get away from such compulsions, and just be free. Any > > insights, shared experiences, would be most welcome. I have two > > sisters with BED also. > > Thanks. > > > Ria Brownlow > > Email: riabrownlow@... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 The gut reaction: I guess it’s like being scared of the dark. I just am. And after thinking for a minute: hmmm… if I can conquer hunger during the day, if I can lift heavy weights at the gym, if I can change other behaviors and beliefs and if I can read out loud silly stories for my kids, then maybe I can go to bed hungry. I think I can; I think I can; I think I can… J Seriously. I might give it a try. Funny, I didn’t even consider this simple option. Thanks Francesca! Micky. -----Original Message----- From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [ ] BED Micky: why are you scared of going to bed hungry? on 2/26/2003 5:08 PM, Micky Snir at mickys@... wrote: The reason why this may > apply to me, is that I'm totally scared of going to bed hungry, so I > " save " calories for the evening, (snipped) > > Micky. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ria Brownlow [mailto:riabrownlow@...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:47 PM > > Subject: [ ] BED > > > > Thanks, Mickey, for coming out of the closet, as you put > > it. And thanks for the link, very interesting info on BED. My > > own experience is that, whether or not I restrict my calories, > > the binges go on. Lately at the rate of 4 to 6 per month. > > BED has been an ongoing challenge for me since the age of > > 12. But then, I have a family--and personal--history of > > depression, and I do think that that is a factor. Have you > > tried anything to address depression > > and, if so, what is your experience? Saw something on a > > news webpage recently about treating eating disorders with > > anti-depressants. What about something like SAM-e? I am > > going to give that a try, since my osteoarthritis has become > > quite troubling lately anyway. My experience with bingeing has > > been that, whenever I have not restricted intake between binges, > > I have become fat........which is even more depressing!! I would > > love to get away from such compulsions, and just be free. Any > > insights, shared experiences, would be most welcome. I have two > > sisters with BED also. > > Thanks. > > > Ria Brownlow > > Email: riabrownlow@... > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: -unsubscribeegroups Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Now if you were your mother, this would be understandable. After all anyone who has been in a concentration camp or has suffered from REALhunger might have a fear of it. Do you think you might have picked up this fear via your mom? Think Scarlett in " Gone wWth the Wind " (I will never be hungry again). But in our part of the world, the opposite problem exists - too much food. Let's hope we never have to worry about things like holocausts and hunger again - although on last nights' evening news, Jennings did a story on hunger worldwide and the numbers are astronomical (800 million starving I believe and it'll probably be more if the U.S. goes to war with Iraq) on 2/26/2003 6:09 PM, Micky Snir at mickys@... wrote: > The gut reaction: I guess it's like being scared of the dark. I just am. > > And after thinking for a minute: hmmm... if I can conquer hunger during > the day, if I can lift heavy weights at the gym, if I can change other > behaviors and beliefs and if I can read out loud silly stories for my > kids, then maybe I can go to bed hungry. I think I can; I think I can; I > think I can... :-) > > > > Seriously. I might give it a try. Funny, I didn't even consider this > simple option. > > > > Thanks Francesca! > > > > Micky. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Overeating has been a problem for me all of my life. A few years ago I was introduced to the book Sleeping with Bread: Holding What Gives You Life by Dennis Linn, Sheila Fabricant Linn, and Linn. It is a very short book about meditation, being thankful, and learning what makes you feel good or not. From the latter we can change our behavior if we are willing to listen to ourselves and act on it (sometimes I just don't have this much focus). This is written from a Roman Catholicism view point but is really universal. The true story that brought the book into being is about children just released from German death camps and now in refugee camps. Crying and wakefulness during the night was prevalent. Only after someone realized it was the anxiety of not having food the next day could the adults running the camp help. It was then that each child was given a piece of bread to take to bed; it did calm the children's fears and they did sleep quietly. But please, buy the book and see if this might not help you. Ruth From: " Micky Snir " <mickys@...> Reply- Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:08:32 -0800 < > Subject: RE: [ ] BED I¹m sorry, but I¹m a stranger to depression. I enjoy life so much, that I want to extend it, withŠ calorie restriction J After posting, I thought more about BED, and realized that my 10Kg gain during the 4 years between 1996 and 2000 were much a result of binge eating (I was gaining weight slower pre ¹96; I started CR around 2000). Only then I never considered it a bad thing. I simply thought that the pizza leftovers are sooooooo good, and it would be a waste not to eat them right there and then. And when I was stuffed, I felt good. Today, 2 things bother me: losing control and not being calorie-restricted (for the life-extension benefits). At least I eat mostly fruit ³during². I also tend to relate my eating ³habits² to a holocaust surviving mother that apparently made the resolution of never having hungry kids. Funny how things backfire J I don¹t blame her though, and I feel and have the full responsibility for whatever I do. I tried looking for the trigger that sets it off for me. I seem to have been mostly wrong so far. Yesterday I found another possible one, which I probably missed because of its paradoxical nature: when the stomach volume exceeds some threshold, ³it² starts. The reason why this may apply to me, is that I¹m totally scared of going to bed hungry, so I ³save² calories for the evening, thus quite often have my last 2 meals of the day spaced less than 3 hours apart. 2 hours is not uncommon. This may lead to both meals occupying my stomach at the same time, crossing the threshold volume andŠ So yesterday went fine; lets see how the next 60 years will go J Micky. -----Original Message----- From: Ria Brownlow [mailto:riabrownlow@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: [ ] BED Thanks, Mickey, for coming out of the closet, as you put it. And thanks for the link, very interesting info on BED. My own experience is that, whether or not I restrict my calories, the binges go on. Lately at the rate of 4 to 6 per month. BED has been an ongoing challenge for me since the age of 12. But then, I have a family--and personal--history of depression, and I do think that that is a factor. Have you tried anything to address depression and, if so, what is your experience? Saw something on a news webpage recently about treating eating disorders with anti-depressants. What about something like SAM-e? I am going to give that a try, since my osteoarthritis has become quite troubling lately anyway. My experience with bingeing has been that, whenever I have not restricted intake between binges, I have become fat........which is even more depressing!! I would love to get away from such compulsions, and just be free. Any insights, shared experiences, would be most welcome. I have two sisters with BED also. Thanks. Ria Brownlow Email: riabrownlow@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Thanks. I added it to my amazon wish list,which now has 69 items in it… -----Original Message-----From: Ruth [mailto:cccucc@...] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 200311:36 AM Subject: Re: [ ] BED Overeating hasbeen a problem for me all of my life. A fewyears ago I was introduced to the book Sleeping with Bread: Holding What Gives You Life by Dennis Linn, Sheila Fabricant Linn,and Linn. It is a very shortbook about meditation, being thankful, and learning what makes you feel good ornot. From the latter we can change our behavior if we are willingto listen to ourselves and act on it (sometimes I just don't have this muchfocus). This is written from a Roman Catholicism view point but is reallyuniversal. The true story that brought the book into being is about children just releasedfrom German death camps and now in refugee camps. Crying and wakefulnessduring the night was prevalent. Only after someone realized it was theanxiety of not having food the next day could the adults running the camp help. It was then that each child was given a piece of bread to take to bed; itdid calm the children's fears and they did sleep quietly. But please, buythe book and see if this might not help you.RuthFrom: " Micky Snir " <mickys@...>Reply- Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:08:32-0800< >Subject: RE: [ ] BED I¹m sorry, but I¹m a stranger to depression. I enjoylife so much, that I want to extend it, withŠcalorie restriction JAfterposting, I thought more about BED, and realized that my 10Kg gain during the 4years between 1996 and 2000 were much a result of binge eating (I was gainingweight slower pre ¹96; I started CR around 2000). Only then I never consideredit a bad thing. I simply thought that the pizza leftovers are sooooooo good,and it would be a waste not to eat them right there and then. And when I wasstuffed, I felt good. Today, 2things bother me: losing control and not being calorie-restricted (for thelife-extension benefits). At least I eat mostly fruit ³during².I also tendto relate my eating ³habits² to a holocaust surviving mother that apparentlymade the resolution of never having hungry kids. Funny how things backfire JI don¹tblame her though, and I feel and have the full responsibility for whatever Ido. I triedlooking for the trigger that sets it off for me. I seem to have been mostlywrong so far. Yesterday I found another possible one, which I probably missedbecause of its paradoxical nature: when the stomach volume exceeds somethreshold, ³it² starts. The reason why this may apply to me, is that I¹mtotally scared of going to bed hungry, so I ³save² calories for the evening,thus quite often have my last 2 meals of the day spaced less than 3 hoursapart. 2 hours is not uncommon. This may lead to both meals occupying mystomach at the same time, crossing the threshold volume andŠSo yesterdaywent fine; lets see how the next 60 years will go JMicky.-----Original Message-----From: Ria Brownlow[mailto:riabrownlow@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 20031:47 PM Subject: [ ] BEDThanks, Mickey, for coming out of the closet, as you put it. And thanks for the link, very interesting info on BED. My own experience is that, whether or not I restrict my calories, the binges go on. Lately at the rate of 4 to 6 per month. BED has been an ongoing challenge for me since the age of 12. But then, I have a family--and personal--history of depression, and I do think that that is a factor. Have you tried anything to address depression and, if so, what is your experience? Saw something on a news webpage recently about treating eating disorders with anti-depressants. What about something like SAM-e? I am going to give that a try, since my osteoarthritis has become quite troubling lately anyway. My experience with bingeing has been that, whenever I have notrestricted intake between binges, I have become fat........which is even more depressing!! I would love to get away from such compulsions, and just be free. Any insights, shared experiences, would be most welcome. I have two sisters with BED also. Thanks.Ria Brownlow Email: riabrownlow@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Hi...Something I forgot to mention about my new sleep number bed is very important. The foot and head of the bed raise and lower just like a hospital bed. Other than the obvious of being great for watching TV, I find it helps me get up on really bad mornings if I raise the head of the bed up. When my back is real bad, I practically have myself in a V with my feet and head up. Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 In a message dated 24/06/2004 17:09:12 Central Standard Time, LambyQ@... writes: > Hi...Something I forgot to mention about my new sleep number bed is very > important. The foot and head of the bed raise and lower just like a hospital > bed. > Other than the obvious of being great for watching TV, I find it helps me > get > up on really bad mornings if I raise the head of the bed up. When my back is > > real bad, I practically have myself in a V with my feet and head up. Judy Wow, Judy! I didn't realize that part. Very nice........Cary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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