Re: newbies/lurkers: phone home

[Guest guest]

Ok, I am a newbie to this CR thing. I am trying to find out if being

a " cronie " will just be rationalization for me to have an eating

disorder. My story is like this. I am 24yo and about 6' tall. When

I was 18, I weighed 138 (slightly underweight) with 14.5% body fat.

My diet was scarce but fairly healthy. (I studied nutrition and was

probably borderline anorexic). Now, after several years of college I

have ballooned up to 160lbs and I (obviously) have trouble fitting

into my old clothes. I don't want to be irritable, light headed, or

faint, but I want to eat less and feel like if I get control of my

diet (I am already an avid exerciser) then I could shed some of the

excess pounds (mostly fat!)

But, am I esentially looking into an eating disorder support group???

In , Francesca Skelton <fskelton@e...>

wrote:

> Newbies and lurkers, please post and introduce yourselves. Tell us

your

> situation, why you're interested in CRON, and where you are in any

type of

> CRON program (even if you haven't started yet). Questions are

welcomed. If

> you have questions, you can bet others have similar questions. So

> your question is probably important and should be asked.

>

> We welcome you all to the group and hope you're not reticent for

any reason

> to post. We were in your place not so long ago. So please de-

lurk. In

> answering your queries, we all learn more.

>

> It's of benefit to all to actively participate on the list and not

just

> lurk. Lurkers get the benefit of the information (freely given by

others)

> and by not wishing to " go public " , don't give back to the forum.

> So think of it as " a win-win " situation if you post to the board.

And think

> of it as lending a helping hand to others and thanking the list for

helping

> you.

>

> There is no need to be fearful of posting here. It is an

exceptionally rare

> event to be treated rudely on this list.

[Guest guest]

The vast majority of eaters do not think about the consequence of what and how much they eat beyond the short term. "I'm hungry... now I'm not". CRON is based on the premise that reduced caloric consumption (CR) has long term health benefits, and that nutrition (ON) is extremely important with serious mid term consequences.

Surely some will be attracted to this group looking for a successful diet regimen, perhaps with distorted image issues. Like anything else in life what you get from participating here is pretty much what you make of it.

JR

-----Original Message-----From: lizhandley [mailto:lizhandley@...]Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: [ ] Re: newbies/lurkers: phone homeOk, I am a newbie to this CR thing. I am trying to find out if being a "cronie" will just be rationalization for me to have an eating disorder. My story is like this. I am 24yo and about 6' tall. When I was 18, I weighed 138 (slightly underweight) with 14.5% body fat. My diet was scarce but fairly healthy. (I studied nutrition and was probably borderline anorexic). Now, after several years of college I have ballooned up to 160lbs and I (obviously) have trouble fitting into my old clothes. I don't want to be irritable, light headed, or faint, but I want to eat less and feel like if I get control of my diet (I am already an avid exerciser) then I could shed some of the excess pounds (mostly fat!)But, am I esentially looking into an eating disorder support group???In , Francesca Skelton <fskelton@e...> wrote:> Newbies and lurkers, please post and introduce yourselves. Tell us your> situation, why you're interested in CRON, and where you are in any type of> CRON program (even if you haven't started yet). Questions are welcomed. If> you have questions, you can bet others have similar questions. So> your question is probably important and should be asked.> > We welcome you all to the group and hope you're not reticent for any reason> to post. We were in your place not so long ago. So please de-lurk. In> answering your queries, we all learn more.> > It's of benefit to all to actively participate on the list and not just> lurk. Lurkers get the benefit of the information (freely given by others)> and by not wishing to "go public", don't give back to the forum.> So think of it as "a win-win" situation if you post to the board. And think> of it as lending a helping hand to others and thanking the list for helping> you.> > There is no need to be fearful of posting here. It is an exceptionally rare> event to be treated rudely on this list.

[Guest guest]

here's my 2 cents: I've been working into CRON for about 9 months. I

do it because I want to be healthier and live longer. I refer to

Walford's 120 year diet book to stay on track. I firmly believe in

what he said about success in this diet. If you can't do it give up.

Do not beat up your psyche. Life is only a little shorter! For me,

every day is a good day to try to eat as well as I can. I consider my

self fortunate, never having had a weight or compulsive eating

problem. Is it easy? Absolutely not. There is slippage to some

degree. Learn from it and go on. To avoid despair, we go out once a

month to a fine restaurant that offers something unique. Seafood if

possible, minimizing the sauces. This gives me something to look

forward to as a reward. It reinforces the will power. Yeah, we share

a dessert. I also fast occasionally (usually once a month)and not

more that 48 hrs. I do this as an exercise and not to punish myself.

I find that variety helps-I recommend the Mayo Clinic/ Sonoma

cookbook. Great ideas, healthy, easily modified. Again, I agree with

Walford,on working into CRON and developing the concepts into your

thoughts and actions gradually rather that all at once. Hope this has

been of value to someone. Good health to you all.

[Guest guest]

Hi! My name is . I am a 46 year old vegan who has just

discovered CRON within the past few weeks, but has been approaching

diet from the perspective of reduced caloric intake, with increased

nutrition, for more than a year now.

Prior to undertaking CRON a few weeks ago, my informal approach

resulted in me losing 70 lbs. and overcoming allergies, back pain,

panic attacks, depression, and elevated blood pressure. Over the

past year, I have been surrounded by family and co-workers who have

battled flu and cold symptoms; I have had no such bouts. Last week I

took my granddaughter to the playground and I played as I never have

before in my 46 years. I do an hour of yoga every morning, walk

throughout the day, and do toning work with weights in the evening.

I have never felt better in my life!

CRON is going well for me. I have added some nutrionally charged

foods to my diet and have lost three pounds in the past 3 weeks. I

keep a log of what I eat along with the nutrition it provides.

I feel absolutely wonderful. If I do not succeed in adding years to

my life, I will have, at least, added life to my years!

Thanks for being here - I look forward to learning from, and sharing

with, the members of this group!

> Newbies and lurkers, please post and introduce yourselves. Tell us

your

> situation, why you're interested in CRON, and where you are in any

type of

> CRON program (even if you haven't started yet). Questions are

welcomed. If

> you have questions, you can bet others have similar questions. So

> your question is probably important and should be asked.

>

> We welcome you all to the group and hope you're not reticent for

any reason

> to post. We were in your place not so long ago. So please de-

lurk. In

> answering your queries, we all learn more.

>

> It's of benefit to all to actively participate on the list and not

just

> lurk. Lurkers get the benefit of the information (freely given by

others)

> and by not wishing to " go public " , don't give back to the forum.

> So think of it as " a win-win " situation if you post to the board.

And think

> of it as lending a helping hand to others and thanking the list for

helping

> you.

>

> There is no need to be fearful of posting here. It is an

exceptionally rare

> event to be treated rudely on this list.

[Guest guest]

Welcome and thanks for telling us about yourself. Wow CRON has really

been a panacea for you! Just wondering if some of your symptoms were due to

allergies to foods that you now may have eliminated from your diet. We have

no evidence that I know of (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that CRON

improves many of the problems you had (allergies, panic attacks,

depression). If you lost a lot of weight that could account for the

improvement in your back pain. The improvement in BP is of course pretty

classic.

I have never noticed that I feel much differently than before. I wish I did

have that sense of enhanced well-being. I do notice that I am healthier and

rarely get sick now. Colds are virtually a thing of the past.

I'd love to hear if others have that feeling of well-being that I find to be

elusive . Any suggestions on how to achieve it are welcomed.

on 3/26/2003 1:39 PM, fmaural at no0ne2b@... wrote:

> Hi! My name is . I am a 46 year old vegan who has just

> discovered CRON within the past few weeks, but has been approaching

> diet from the perspective of reduced caloric intake, with increased

> nutrition, for more than a year now.

>

> Prior to undertaking CRON a few weeks ago, my informal approach

> resulted in me losing 70 lbs. and overcoming allergies, back pain,

> panic attacks, depression, and elevated blood pressure. Over the

> past year, I have been surrounded by family and co-workers who have

> battled flu and cold symptoms; I have had no such bouts. Last week I

> took my granddaughter to the playground and I played as I never have

> before in my 46 years. I do an hour of yoga every morning, walk

> throughout the day, and do toning work with weights in the evening.

> I have never felt better in my life!

>

> CRON is going well for me. I have added some nutrionally charged

> foods to my diet and have lost three pounds in the past 3 weeks. I

> keep a log of what I eat along with the nutrition it provides.

>

> I feel absolutely wonderful. If I do not succeed in adding years to

> my life, I will have, at least, added life to my years!

>

> Thanks for being here - I look forward to learning from, and sharing

> with, the members of this group!

[Guest guest]

I've posted here before, but never a formal introduction, so here

goes:

I'm 19, also vegan, originally from Toronto, currently attending

university in the states. Started both CRON and veganism in January --

was vegetarian for 12 years before that.

I think that there was an attitude change and increased consciousness

of eating, and that the attitude necessary to maintain this kind of

lifestyle is one that maybe promotes a feeling of wellbeing. If one

feels lousy about a lot of things, it's harder to stay on track, you

know? And if one is eating a lot of very sugary garbage, that can

contribute to lulls and such. So I'd agree with the feeling of

wellbeing part, though for perhaps different reasons.

>

> > Hi! My name is . I am a 46 year old vegan who has just

> > discovered CRON within the past few weeks, but has been

approaching

> > diet from the perspective of reduced caloric intake, with

increased

> > nutrition, for more than a year now.

> >

> > Prior to undertaking CRON a few weeks ago, my informal approach

> > resulted in me losing 70 lbs. and overcoming allergies, back pain,

> > panic attacks, depression, and elevated blood pressure. Over the

> > past year, I have been surrounded by family and co-workers who

have

> > battled flu and cold symptoms; I have had no such bouts. Last

week I

> > took my granddaughter to the playground and I played as I never

have

> > before in my 46 years. I do an hour of yoga every morning, walk

> > throughout the day, and do toning work with weights in the

evening.

> > I have never felt better in my life!

> >

> > CRON is going well for me. I have added some nutrionally charged

> > foods to my diet and have lost three pounds in the past 3 weeks.

I

> > keep a log of what I eat along with the nutrition it provides.

> >

> > I feel absolutely wonderful. If I do not succeed in adding years

to

> > my life, I will have, at least, added life to my years!

> >

> > Thanks for being here - I look forward to learning from, and

sharing

> > with, the members of this group!

[Guest guest]

Francesca said:

>I have never noticed that I feel much differently than before. I wish I did have that sense of enhanced well-being. I do notice that I am healthier and rarely get sick now. Colds are virtually a thing of the past.

>I'd love to hear if others have that feeling of well-being that I find to be elusive . Any suggestions on how to achieve it are welcomed.

My experience was similar to 's. Perhaps Francesca was healthier before CRON than we were. I was pretty deficient in vitamins, minerals, and proteins and 20 pounds overweight by normal standards. Compared to now my energy level was much lower. I had acid reflux, arthritis in my hands, various skin problems, some anxiety and concentration problems. My mood was not as good as it is now. I don't think all the improvements are due to CR - many are due to ON. I used to eat a lot of refined wheat and sugar. I eat almost no wheat or sugar now. I've also had IgG allergy testing and eliminated milk, yeast, and sunflower seed oil from my diet. This also seems to have helped.

We have some vegan CRONies - but it's not the easiest diet to follow! - what are your protein sources? There's been discussion in the past that has indicated that protein requirements go up when you cut calories. I'm trying to increase my protein from 65 to 90 grams per day right now. I think I feel even better at the higher level.

[Guest guest]

Hello, Francesca!

I attribute my results to ALL of the steps I have taken, acting in

concert with one another. CRON is certainly a critical element,

but is not alone.

Having started out as a vegetarian consuming dairy, I believe my

allergy symptoms were alleviated, in large part, by the

elimination of dairy from my diet; there has been no other

significant elimination of food types.

When I started to consider nutritional content in the foods I

consumed, I added oils rich in essential fatty acids (omega-3's

and -6's.) It has been suggested that omega-3's, in particular,

may alleviate panic attacks and depression, being utilzed

neurologically.

I also agree with you that the weight loss has been crucial to

relieving my back pain; in addition, in conjunction with yoga,

meditation, and exercise, the weight loss has contributed to

flexibilty, strength, and stamina. In turn, there is a joy and

grace, in both motion and stillness, that has resulted and is now

the source of my overall sense of well being.

Thanks for the warm welcome! Take care.

>

> > Hi! My name is . I am a 46 year old vegan who has just

> > discovered CRON within the past few weeks, but has been

approaching

> > diet from the perspective of reduced caloric intake, with

increased

> > nutrition, for more than a year now.

> >

> > Prior to undertaking CRON a few weeks ago, my informal

approach

> > resulted in me losing 70 lbs. and overcoming allergies, back

pain,

> > panic attacks, depression, and elevated blood pressure.

Over the

> > past year, I have been surrounded by family and co-workers

who have

> > battled flu and cold symptoms; I have had no such bouts.

Last week I

> > took my granddaughter to the playground and I played as I

never have

> > before in my 46 years. I do an hour of yoga every morning,

walk

> > throughout the day, and do toning work with weights in the

evening.

> > I have never felt better in my life!

> >

> > CRON is going well for me. I have added some nutrionally

charged

> > foods to my diet and have lost three pounds in the past 3

weeks. I

> > keep a log of what I eat along with the nutrition it provides.

> >

> > I feel absolutely wonderful. If I do not succeed in adding

years to

> > my life, I will have, at least, added life to my years!

> >

> > Thanks for being here - I look forward to learning from, and

sharing

> > with, the members of this group!

[Guest guest]

Hi, !

My protein sources run the gamut - rice, beans, soy,

vegetables,...any place I can find protein! I am currently at 2,200

calories per day and I aim for 82.5 grams of protein.

> Francesca said:

>

> >I have never noticed that I feel much differently than before. I

wish I

> did have that sense of enhanced well-being. I do notice that I

am

> healthier and rarely get sick now. Colds are virtually a thing of

the

> past.

>

> >I'd love to hear if others have that feeling of well-being that I

find

> to be elusive . Any suggestions on how to achieve it are

welcomed.

>

> My experience was similar to 's. Perhaps Francesca was

healthier

> before CRON than we were. I was pretty deficient in vitamins,

minerals,

> and proteins and 20 pounds overweight by normal standards.

Compared to

> now my energy level was much lower. I had acid reflux, arthritis

in my

> hands, various skin problems, some anxiety and concentration

problems.

> My mood was not as good as it is now. I don't think all the

improvements

> are due to CR - many are due to ON. I used to eat a lot of

refined wheat

> and sugar. I eat almost no wheat or sugar now. I've also had

IgG allergy

> testing and eliminated milk, yeast, and sunflower seed oil from

my diet.

> This also seems to have helped.

>

> We have some vegan CRONies - but it's not the easiest diet to

follow!

> - what are your protein sources? There's been

discussion in the

> past that has indicated that protein requirements go up when

you cut

> calories. I'm trying to increase my protein from 65 to 90 grams

per day

> right now. I think I feel even better at the higher level.

[Guest guest]

: thanks. I got a hint of your success in your words below. I used to

do yoga but stopped. I don't meditate. I walk daily and lift light weights

every other day. So maybe the answer is the yoga/meditation to round out

one's sense of well-being!!!! I hope I can fit it in - sounds like it's

worth the effort.

on 3/28/2003 1:37 PM, fmaural at no0ne2b@... wrote:

> I also agree with you that the weight loss has been crucial to

> relieving my back pain; in addition, in conjunction with yoga,

> meditation, and exercise, the weight loss has contributed to

> flexibilty, strength, and stamina. In turn, there is a joy and

> grace, in both motion and stillness, that has resulted and is now

> the source of my overall sense of well being.

>

> Thanks for the warm welcome! Take care.

>

>