Re: reality check with raw food

[Guest guest]

I tend to think that the raw food diet " works " , initially at least, is that

so much less is assimilated

from raw food that it really works out to a form of CR, and maybe with less

attention to ON

than is really required with CRON. The closest i have come to this kind of

diet is an all-fruit

diet for several months - a diet that is even more idiotic than the basic

raw foods diet - and yet

you can probably still find literature touting that nonsensical regime. I

seem to remember ending

that regime with about the same feelings as the previous post reported.

Hue

[Guest guest]

--- " Hue " <kargo_cult@m...> wrote:

> The closest i have come to this kind of diet is an all-fruit

> diet for several months - a diet that is even more idiotic than

> the basic raw foods diet - and yet you can probably still

> find literature touting that nonsensical regime.

Fruitarianism:

Vegetables and mushrooms are not designed to be eaten. They are

full of insecticides and toxins designed to stop animals from

eating and destroying them. Only fruit are actually designed by

nature to be eaten ;-)

http://www.fruitarian.com/

http://www.fruitarianvibes.com/

[Guest guest]

Interesting post Tim...but I want to see photos of fruitarians who have practiced their passionfruit for 10 years or more. The health claims on your referenced website are far reaching....not that I don't find it interesting, but still, I would like to see photos and ages of practitioners :-)) PS...in our house we buy only organic, thereby avoiding some of your concerns about veggies (hopefully :-)) Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim Tyler

Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:24 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: reality check with raw food

--- "Hue " <kargo_cult@m...> wrote:> The closest i have come to this kind of diet is an all-fruit> diet for several months - a diet that is even more idiotic than> the basic raw foods diet - and yet you can probably still > find literature touting that nonsensical regime.Fruitarianism:Vegetables and mushrooms are not designed to be eaten. They arefull of insecticides and toxins designed to stop animals fromeating and destroying them. Only fruit are actually designed by nature to be eaten ;-)http://www.fruitarian.com/http://www.fruitarianvibes.com/

[Guest guest]

I assumed Tim posted this to show how " far out on the fringe " these

fruitarians are, not as a serious statement. Since CRON is a diet based on

vegetables/fruits, Tim can't possibly mean we shouldn't be eating them.....

on 10/23/2002 11:08 AM, Dave Noel at davenoel@... wrote:

> Interesting post Tim...but I want to see photos of fruitarians who have

> practiced their passionfruit for 10 years or more. The health claims on your

> referenced website are far reaching....not that I don't find it interesting,

> but still, I would like to see photos and ages of practitioners :-)) PS...in

> our house we buy only organic, thereby avoiding some of your concerns about

> veggies (hopefully :-)) Dave

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Tim Tyler

>

> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:24 AM

> Subject: [ ] Re: reality check with raw food

>

>

> --- " Hue " <kargo_cult@m...> wrote:

>

>> The closest i have come to this kind of diet is an all-fruit

>> diet for several months - a diet that is even more idiotic than

>> the basic raw foods diet - and yet you can probably still

>> find literature touting that nonsensical regime.

>

> Fruitarianism:

>

> Vegetables and mushrooms are not designed to be eaten. They are

> full of insecticides and toxins designed to stop animals from

> eating and destroying them. Only fruit are actually designed by

> nature to be eaten ;-)

>

> http://www.fruitarian.com/

> http://www.fruitarianvibes.com/

[Guest guest]

Oooops...I missed the satire, coincidentally, from the Etruscan word meaning a dish comprised of an array of fruits :-) But I would still like to see those photos after reading the referenced website....and in the future, please indicate sarcasm for those of us who are suffering mental lethargy that results from eating too much Kale!

----- Original Message -----

From: Francesca Skelton

Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:09 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: reality check with raw food

I assumed Tim posted this to show how "far out on the fringe" thesefruitarians are, not as a serious statement. Since CRON is a diet based onvegetables/fruits, Tim can't possibly mean we shouldn't be eating them.....on 10/23/2002 11:08 AM, Dave Noel at davenoel@... wrote:> Interesting post Tim...but I want to see photos of fruitarians who have> practiced their passionfruit for 10 years or more. The health claims on your> referenced website are far reaching....not that I don't find it interesting,> but still, I would like to see photos and ages of practitioners :-)) PS...in> our house we buy only organic, thereby avoiding some of your concerns about> veggies (hopefully :-)) Dave> ----- Original Message -----> From: Tim Tyler > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:24 AM> Subject: [ ] Re: reality check with raw food> > > --- "Hue " <kargo_cult@m...> wrote:> >> The closest i have come to this kind of diet is an all-fruit>> diet for several months - a diet that is even more idiotic than>> the basic raw foods diet - and yet you can probably still>> find literature touting that nonsensical regime.> > Fruitarianism:> > Vegetables and mushrooms are not designed to be eaten. They are> full of insecticides and toxins designed to stop animals from> eating and destroying them. Only fruit are actually designed by> nature to be eaten ;-)> > http://www.fruitarian.com/> http://www.fruitarianvibes.com/

[Guest guest]

--- "Hue " <kargo_cult@m...> wrote:> The closest i have come to this kind of diet is an all-fruit> diet for several months - a diet that is even more idiotic than> the basic raw foods diet - and yet you can probably still > find literature touting that nonsensical regime.Fruitarianism:Vegetables and mushrooms are not designed to be eaten. They arefull of insecticides and toxins designed to stop animals fromeating and destroying them. Only fruit are actually designed by nature to be eaten ;-)http://www.fruitarian.com/http://www.fruitarianvibes.com/ --I don't know if your emoticon means you are serious or not. Fruitarian advocates tend to this kind of "mystical thinking" - fruit good, everything else bad - with an unscientific vehemence that is evidence that it's really a form of religion. Human beings are not "designed" to live on fruit, they are not birds. If you believe so, you probably also believe the story about the apple and sin. Sorry, i got not much use for that nonsense any more, and zero desire anymore to read its silly propaganda. Dr. Arnold Ehret ( is that the name ? ) - as misguided as a human being could ever be. I'm sure his lit is out there, for the truly desperate and gullible, as i once was. Hue

[Guest guest]

--- " Hue " wrote - or quoted me as writing:

> Fruitarianism:

>

> Vegetables and mushrooms are not designed to be eaten. They are

> full of insecticides and toxins designed to stop animals from

> eating and destroying them. Only fruit are actually designed by

> nature to be eaten ;-)

>

> http://www.fruitarian.com/

> http://www.fruitarianvibes.com/

>

> --I don't know if your emoticon means you are serious or not.

*I* am not sure if I am serious, or not.

I suppose the intended meaning was something like:

Take this with a pinch of salt - but don't throw it

straight into the trash can ;-)

> Human beings are not " designed " to live on fruit, they are

> not birds.

I'm interested in finding out what the diet our ancestors ate

in the various eras. However I'm not sure I want to

simply blindly copy it. We ought to be able to supply better

nutrition than that our ancestors were forced to adapt to, in

this era.

Incidentally, when I said " insecticides " and " toxins " designed

to make eating vegetables an unappetising target to animals,

I was referring to things like canavanine in alfalfa.

These are toxins which were not added by man - but rather are

produced by the plant itself as a defense against getting eaten by

animals.

I certainly appreciate what nature can do when she sets out to make

a fine-tasting package - designed to be eaten.

Blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, strawberries - yum ;-)

[Guest guest]

Dr. Doug Graham has been a raw foodist for about 25 years. He eats about 95% fruit. He looks great and appears to be in very good health. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Noel Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: reality check with raw food Interesting post Tim...but I want to see photos of fruitarians who have practiced their passionfruit for 10 years or more. The health claims on your referenced website are far reaching....not that I don't find it interesting, but still, I would like to see photos and ages of practitioners :-)) PS...in our house we buy only organic, thereby avoiding some of your concerns about veggies (hopefully :-)) Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Tyler Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:24 AM Subject: [ ] Re: reality check with raw food --- "Hue " <kargo_cult@m...> wrote:> The closest i have come to this kind of diet is an all-fruit> diet for several months - a diet that is even more idiotic than> the basic raw foods diet - and yet you can probably still > find literature touting that nonsensical regime.Fruitarianism:Vegetables and mushrooms are not designed to be eaten. They arefull of insecticides and toxins designed to stop animals fromeating and destroying them. Only fruit are actually designed by nature to be eaten ;-)http://www.fruitarian.com/http://www.fruitarianvibes.com/

[Guest guest]

Gail: Dr Walford's CRON diet is based on sound scientific experiments and

the experiments have been repeated many times elsewhere. Where are the

experiments/scientific evidence of a fruit diet? Personal opinion or 'gut

feeling " or liking what some guru has to say doesn't mean much.

Tim posted some websites and his personal opinion but nothing in the way of

science has yet been presented. And a " one rat " example such as Doug Graham

is not evidence. BTW most of us have never heard of the guy in spite of

being pretty up to date on nutrition info.

An all fruit diet is high in calories, would leave one deficient in many

nutrients (such as omega 3's for one) and is not compatible with CRON.

on 10/23/2002 1:16 PM, GAIL MCDONALD at zorkzoom@... wrote:

> Dr. Doug Graham has been a raw foodist for about 25 years. He eats about 95%

> fruit. He looks great and appears to be in very good health.

[Guest guest]

> An all fruit diet is high in calories, would leave one

> deficient in many nutrients (such as omega 3's for one)

> and is not compatible with CRON.

It seems that a number of fruitarians deal with this issue by

defining nuts, seeds - and sprouted seeds - as fruit(!):

''The fruitarian diet consists of RAW fruit and seeds ONLY!

Examples of fruits are: Pineapple, mango, banana, avocado, apple,

melon, orange, etc., all kinds of berries, and the vegetable fruits

such as tomato, cucumber, olives; and dried fruits such as nuts,

hazelnuts, cashews, chestnuts, etc. And seeds including sprouted

seeds.''

- http://www.fruitarian.com/ao/WhatIsFruitarianism.htm

With /that/ sort of definition, Omega 3 fats are not much of a

problem - since walnuts, pecans or flaxseed could all be used

as sources.

As to calories, that depends a lot of the type of fruit in

question. I reckon I could eat as many berries as I could stand -

and still wind up calorically restricted. On the other hand

clocking up calories is easy as pie with dates and bananas.

As to science - AFAIK studies on fruitarianism are not very

common. It appears that - when faced with scepticism - fruitarians

tend to take the approach of showing how their diets can contain

appropriate levels of all known nutrients. Even if they did that

would not be /terribly/ convincing - since not all nutrients are

known.

The " beyondveg " site (which I have previously cited) takes some time

to criticise the fruitarian approach in an interview:

http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/hb/hb-interview3h.shtml

[Guest guest]

> The " beyondveg " site (which I have previously cited) takes

> some time to criticise the fruitarian approach in an interview:

>

> http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/hb/hb-interview3h.shtml

I /knew/ I had a better URL there than that.

The same subject - but many times more comprehensive:

http://www.beyondveg.com/cat/fruit-dreams/