Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Hello Suzzane: Thanks for explaining this for the people involved in the support group. Few things to think about: I should say that everybody needs money to make projects and to survive too, because if your work do not make money, than you will starve to death or will be unable to practice CR the way it should be done. I don't want to get involved into any kind of discussion, because I don't know what is going on. But I sould say that only perfect saints devote an entire life of work, with goodwill to save people, without receiving anything in reward, specially if this one is unemployed. SO: If I am hunger and unemployed, I have goodwill, I don't have pride, I help someone, This someone acknowledge my work by paying me, and I accept because I need the money to survive. What is wrong in this? On the other hand, if you are hunger, this someone helps you with money, you reject that money because of your pride, you starve to death because you rejected the money. Than your procedure was wrong. God had sent you a boat, but you rejected it. The decision of how much one should gain for his goodwill work,(if he/she decides to receive) its an own decision . If you give up to do all the things you like to help someone, how much this someone should pay you? That are things in the world that no money can pay (the mother's love is among them). What my consciousness says is: If you relly need that money to survive accept it, otherwise reject it. If you reject because you do not need it, than this was trully a non-profit thing. If you accept the mininum, because you need to survive, and use the rest to help others, this is (IMO) was non-profit too. If you do not need it, and accept more than the mininum for you to survive, because of your desire to be rich. It's selfish, and cannot be considered non-profit. The consciousness is of what to do is self. But remember that: *** GOD IS WATCHING YOU *** *** HE IS ABLE TO JUDGE YOU *** ** DO NOT LIE, SPECIALLY TO YOURSELF *** I'm not a saint. But I don't have pride to say that right now I'm seeking for a job. The situation is bad here in Brazil even for scientists like me. And I'm very shamed to confess it . I really trust in god and I am religious. Sometimes I do things for free, trusting that only God will give me the reward. But if God is fair, and my situation is very bad, some of reward he send to me I need to receive here, because I need to survive!... I don't know the Warren's and 's situation. I'm not either interested to know about it. The only person that is alowed me (by God) to judge is myself. Each head and each consciousness is an sentence. If I said something wrong, please correct me... --Gandhi. > For those who are new to our group (CR Support), we are > not affiliated in any way with the CR Society (found at > calorierestriction.org), although both groups have sev >eral members in common. While the CR Society is now a >non- >profit organization and would appreciate receiving donat >ions from those of you who feel so inclined, please unde >rstand that the CR SUPPORT group is not involved in thei >r fund- >raising efforts. Warren has explained some of the proje >cts to which the CR Society might apply those donations, > and it is my understanding that those donations will al >so be used to pay Warren, Delaney and perhaps othe >rs as employees of the CR Society. We, on the other han >d, don't solicit or accept donations-- >we're " just " a support group, entirely separate from the > " non-profit " CR Society corporation. __________________________________________________________________________ E-mail Premium BOL Antivírus, anti-spam e até 100 MB de espaço. Assine já! http://email.bol.com.br/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 I sit on the board of a non-profit organization. No one gets paid for any of the things we do - we try only to cover our material expenses and usage fees for meeting spaces. We are totally up front about what we use our funds for. Our organization supports itself from membership fees, and does not solicit outside financial contributions. We do run a couple of fund-raising activities throughout the year, but these funds (beyond the cost of the activity) largely end up as charitable contributions to other orgs. These things were true before we sought non-profit status, and they remain true. Some larger organizations of course do pay their staff - such as the American Heart Association, Red Cross, American Lung Association, as well as lots of orgs smaller than these giants. Some non-profits pay a company to handle their mailings and membership lists when they get to big for this to be done effectively on a volunteer basis. The main reason for seeking non-profit status is to allow contributions to be tax deductible. Also, there are some community facilities (such as meeting rooms) that become available to you at no cost, and other things at reduced cost (such as no sales tax, or reduced costs from some merchants), when you are legally a non- profit. The CR Society group is, I believe, largely an internet undertaking. Non-profits have to have a charter and a mission statement. I don't see those things on their website. All non-profits are responsible to their membership, and the government, to account for where their money goes. It is entirely appropriate, actually required, for a non-profit to tell contributors or members (or prospective contributors or members) what their money is going to be used for. There has been confusion in the past in the minds of new members of this list (as evidenced by posts they have made) about the relationship between this e-mail group and the CR Society group. Because of the prior post about the CR Society, Suzanne was more than correct in her posting. No one is asking anyone to be a saint. But if someone wants my money, I want to know exactly what they are going to do with it. Then it is my informed decision as to whether I want to contribute. Iris > > Hello Suzzane: > Thanks for explaining this for the people involved > in the support group. > > Few things to think about: > I should say that everybody needs money to make > projects and to survive too, because if your work do > not make money, than you will starve to death or will > be unable to practice CR the way it should be done. > > I don't want to get involved into any kind > of discussion, because I don't know what is going on. > > But I sould say that only perfect saints devote an > entire life of work, with goodwill to save people, > without receiving anything in > reward, specially if this one > is unemployed. > > SO: > > If I am hunger and unemployed, > I have goodwill, > I don't have pride, > I help someone, > This someone acknowledge my work > by paying me, > and I accept because I need the money to > survive. What is wrong in this? > > > On the other hand, > if you are hunger, > this someone helps you with money, > you reject that money because of your pride, > you starve to death because > you rejected the money. Than your > procedure was wrong. God had sent you a boat, > but you rejected it. > > The decision of how much one should gain for his > goodwill work,(if he/she decides to receive) > its an own decision . > If you give up to do > all the things you like to help someone, how much > this someone should pay you? > That are things in the world that no money > can pay (the mother's love is among > them). > > What my consciousness says is: > > If you relly need that money to survive accept it, > otherwise reject it. If you reject because you do > not need it, than this was trully a non-profit thing. > > If you accept the mininum, because you need to > survive, and use the rest to help others, this is > (IMO) was non-profit too. > > If you do not need it, and accept more than the > mininum for you to survive, because of your desire to > be rich. It's selfish, > and cannot be considered non-profit. > > The consciousness is of what to do is self. But > remember that: > > *** GOD IS WATCHING YOU *** > *** HE IS ABLE TO JUDGE YOU *** > ** DO NOT LIE, SPECIALLY TO YOURSELF *** > > I'm not a saint. But I don't have pride to say > that right now I'm seeking for a job. The situation > is bad here in Brazil even for scientists like me. > And I'm very shamed to confess > it . > I really trust in god and I am > religious. Sometimes I do things for free, trusting > that only God will give me the reward. But if God is > fair, and my situation is very bad, > some of reward he send to me I need to receive > here, because I need to survive!... > > I don't know the Warren's and 's situation. > I'm not either interested to know about it. > The only person that is alowed me (by God) to judge is > myself. > Each head and each consciousness is an sentence. > If I said something wrong, please correct me... > > --Gandhi. > > > > > For those who are new to our group (CR Support), we are > > not affiliated in any way with the CR Society (found at > > calorierestriction.org), although both groups have sev > >eral members in common. While the CR Society is now a > >non- > >profit organization and would appreciate receiving donat > >ions from those of you who feel so inclined, please unde > >rstand that the CR SUPPORT group is not involved in thei > >r fund- > >raising efforts. Warren has explained some of the proje > >cts to which the CR Society might apply those donations, > > and it is my understanding that those donations will al > >so be used to pay Warren, Delaney and perhaps othe > >rs as employees of the CR Society. We, on the other han > >d, don't solicit or accept donations-- > >we're " just " a support group, entirely separate from the > > " non-profit " CR Society corporation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 > No one is asking anyone to be a saint. But if someone wants my > money, I want to know exactly what they are going to do with it. > Then it is my informed decision as to whether I want to contribute. 100% Agreed. > > Iris __________________________________________________________________________ E-mail Premium BOL Antivírus, anti-spam e até 100 MB de espaço. Assine já! http://email.bol.com.br/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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