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Welcome to the group! Both of my twins, Kaylie & Danny, are proud

supporters of the STARband. Actually, just Kaylie needs it now since

Danny has graduated. As far as price goes, I'm not positive since my

insurance covered it 100%. But if I remember the statement

correctly, they were about $1500 each. The STAR is very similar to

the DOC, as in they are both dynamic rather than passive. They look

similar too, except that the STAR does come up a little bit higher.

You can find some info, including orthos in your area at

http://www.orthomerica.com The length of time your daughter will

spend in her band depends on the severity of her flatness. Both of

my twins were mild to moderate cases, Danny graduated from his band

in three months and I'm fairly certain that Kaylie will be graduating

at the end of this month, which would make it 4 1/2 months for her.

From time to time, you will see debates here over which band is

better. I can't emphasize enough (in my own opinion, please don't

blast me) that the brand name of a band is worth squat, it all

depends on the ortho. Please be sure to ask your ortho lots of

questions and follow your gut instinct. I wish you the best of luck

on achieving a rounder head for your daughter! Again, welcome to the

group!

Niki

Phila., PA

> Hi. I'm new. My little girl has had a flat spot since birth.

While

> the spot has gotten better, it's still there. I did bring it up to

my

> dr a few times, but he never seems concerned till 6.5 months. By

that

> time, I had seen improvement, so I played stupid for 6 weeks,

telling

> myself there wasn't anything wrong that time wouldn't correct.

Well,

> she does have a head tilt, and it's still there, and she's 8 months

> old, so I've finally started to look around internet wize, and had

her

> Cat Scan done. I could kick myself in the butt for putting it off,

> she could have been done by now. My question to you all, I really

> like the look of the DOC band. There's so much info out there

about

> it and it's only $3000 for everything. Band, appt, everything. I

> can't find that much info about the Star Band. Prices or

anything.

> The Specialist that my Ped wants to send me to is 1.5 hours away,

and

> isn't auth'd to use the DOC, so I'm assuming he'll use the

Starband.

> Now... I can go 2.5 hours away to a DOC clinic. Who has what, and

> how long, prices; and which is better? THE DOC clinic dr's seem to

> specialize in this, and this only. I'm in limbo, and need to move

on

> this ASAP.

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My son has been in a DOC band for 3 weeks now. We are already seeing

improvement. We picked this band because it is the only one our

neuro prescribes. I don't even know if there are others in my area.

I have heard only good things about it. I have heard of kids in the

other bands ending up in a DOC band (this is both from posted

messages and my orhto at Cranial technologies). I agree with the

last post that the band is only as good as the ortho who will fit

it. Perhaps the negative STARband stories I have heard were with

inexperienced orthos. I have heard many parents very happy with the

STAR. There are even parents who have been happy with locally made

products. I would interview both people and as the last posts have

said go with your instinct. I don't know much about " name " brand

with the bands...I guess that means the DOC band?? I would say money

is no object if it is what your child needs. As for the driving...it

is a distance but it will go by quick and she will graduate before

you know it so don't worry too much there. Althought that is easy

for me to say because I have a CT only 30 min from home.

Good luck and keep us posted!

Beth Anne & Evan (DOC 7/12/01)

> Hi. I'm new. My little girl has had a flat spot since birth.

While

> the spot has gotten better, it's still there. I did bring it up to

my

> dr a few times, but he never seems concerned till 6.5 months. By

that

> time, I had seen improvement, so I played stupid for 6 weeks,

telling

> myself there wasn't anything wrong that time wouldn't correct.

Well,

> she does have a head tilt, and it's still there, and she's 8 months

> old, so I've finally started to look around internet wize, and had

her

> Cat Scan done. I could kick myself in the butt for putting it off,

> she could have been done by now. My question to you all, I really

> like the look of the DOC band. There's so much info out there

about

> it and it's only $3000 for everything. Band, appt, everything. I

> can't find that much info about the Star Band. Prices or

anything.

> The Specialist that my Ped wants to send me to is 1.5 hours away,

and

> isn't auth'd to use the DOC, so I'm assuming he'll use the

Starband.

> Now... I can go 2.5 hours away to a DOC clinic. Who has what, and

> how long, prices; and which is better? THE DOC clinic dr's seem to

> specialize in this, and this only. I'm in limbo, and need to move

on

> this ASAP.

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Hi Kelli:

My daughter wore both the STARband and the DOCband. Our personal

experience with the STARband was a nightmare, it made Abby's head

worse after 3 months wearing it. We then switched to the DOCband

when Abby was 11.5 mos old and we graduated with 60% improvement, we

are very happy with the DOCband, Abby's plagio was severe. We also

had quite a drive to get to the nearest Cranial Technologies, in

Chicago, an avg bi-weekly drive of 4 hrs one way with the stupid

traffic jams in Chicago (which by the way, I'll NEVER drive back to

that city!!!!) Check out Abby's website for a more detailed story of

our ordeal, there are also pictures to see her great improvement.

Good luck to you with your decisions!!

Debbie Abby's mom 3/1/00 STARband 11/4/00-1/26/01 DOCgrad 2/16/01-

6/22/01

Here's the link for Abby's website...

http://www.fortheloveofmommy.com/AbbyGator.htm

> Hi. I'm new. My little girl has had a flat spot since birth.

While

> the spot has gotten better, it's still there. I did bring it up to

my

> dr a few times, but he never seems concerned till 6.5 months. By

that

> time, I had seen improvement, so I played stupid for 6 weeks,

telling

> myself there wasn't anything wrong that time wouldn't correct.

Well,

> she does have a head tilt, and it's still there, and she's 8 months

> old, so I've finally started to look around internet wize, and had

her

> Cat Scan done. I could kick myself in the butt for putting it off,

> she could have been done by now. My question to you all, I really

> like the look of the DOC band. There's so much info out there

about

> it and it's only $3000 for everything. Band, appt, everything. I

> can't find that much info about the Star Band. Prices or

anything.

> The Specialist that my Ped wants to send me to is 1.5 hours away,

and

> isn't auth'd to use the DOC, so I'm assuming he'll use the

Starband.

> Now... I can go 2.5 hours away to a DOC clinic. Who has what, and

> how long, prices; and which is better? THE DOC clinic dr's seem to

> specialize in this, and this only. I'm in limbo, and need to move

on

> this ASAP.

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In a message dated 8/3/01 11:21:30 AM Central Daylight Time,

niki_jay175@... writes:

<< I can't emphasize enough (in my own opinion, please don't

blast me) that the brand name of a band is worth squat, it all

depends on the ortho. Please be sure to ask your ortho lots of

questions and follow your gut instinct. >>

Niki - I couldn't agree with you more!!!! - Well said.

Marci

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: we wish you a hearty welcome to the group!! Please don't

hesitate to post and ask questions; we're here to help.

on 1/9/2003 5:37 PM, Freeman at jarv57@... wrote:

> Hi Everyone, I'm and new here. I've read many interesting things

> about CRON and am looking forward to reading others experiences with this. I

> am hoping to begin this plan sometime next week, I know it will be a tough

> road and will take lots of willpower, but a longer healthier life is worth it!

>

> .

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: You may contact me off-list if you wish to,

for the pourpouses of sharing experience.

You may also post my e-mails to you for the

CRSuportGroup to see.

By now, fell free to ask questions to me.

-- o Alonso (Gandhi)

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Actually, I think there's more won't power than will power

involved..... <g>

Iris

> on 1/9/2003 5:37 PM, Freeman at jarv57@h... wrote:

>

> > Hi Everyone, I'm and new here. I've read many

interesting things

> > about CRON and am looking forward to reading others experiences

with this. I

> > am hoping to begin this plan sometime next week, I know it will

be a tough

> > road and will take lots of willpower, but a longer healthier life

is worth it!

> >

> > .

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> Actually, I think there's more won't power than will po

wer

> involved..... <g>

Comments:

Once you know about CR,

if you are serious person,

your life will never be the same.

Everytime you will put

any junkfood into your mouth

you WILL know that you

are shortening your life.

You will be aging and

that process will be irreversible.

IRREVERSIBLE, by the technology we have

by now. Think twice.

It's one decision. Nobody can force anyone

to practice CR not defying someone to practice it.

The motivation should come from the own's decision.

If you have the desire,

If really wish to live longer,

If you believe that adding years,

could increase your chance to be happy

Than, you should start CR.

START RIGHT NOW! RIGHT NOW!

Don't let it for the next week.

Your hole life could had been worthless. But hopefully

only one day can compensate the whole suffering of you

had until now.

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This is a very serious answer to a very non-serious message. Please

note the <g> in the original text.

Also, what classifies as 'junk' varies by an individual's take on

CR. There are some of our members that think grains or fruit are

junk, and others that do not. And if you've more than adequately met

your nutritional requirements on a given day (not that that is easy)

a piece of a friend's birthday cake is not going to shorten your life

enough to worry about. If you've limited your friends to only those

in the immediate vicinity who practice CR, you've lost a lot more

than the birthday cake will cost you.

Iris

> > Actually, I think there's more won't power than will po

> wer

> > involved..... <g>

>

> Comments:

> Once you know about CR,

> if you are serious person,

> your life will never be the same.

> Everytime you will put

> any junkfood into your mouth

> you WILL know that you

> are shortening your life.

> You will be aging and

> that process will be irreversible.

> IRREVERSIBLE, by the technology we have

> by now. Think twice.

> It's one decision. Nobody can force anyone

> to practice CR not defying someone to practice it.

> The motivation should come from the own's decision.

> If you have the desire,

> If really wish to live longer,

> If you believe that adding years,

> could increase your chance to be happy

> Than, you should start CR.

>

> START RIGHT NOW! RIGHT NOW!

>

> Don't let it for the next week.

>

> Your hole life could had been worthless. But hopefully

> only one day can compensate the whole suffering of you

> had until now.

>

> -- Gandhi.

>

>

>

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> This is a very serious answer to a very non-

serious message. Please

> note the <g> in the original text.

>

> Also, what classifies as 'junk' varies by an individual

's take on

> CR. There are some of our members that think grains or

fruit are

> junk, and others that do not. And if you've more than

adequately met

How to met your adequate needs (vitamins and minerals)

in a day eating a piece

of cake? Taking a Centrum pill or a vitamin?? do

you trust in manufactured pills or medicines?

Here in Brazil some people

falsificate it !! hehe... I trust in NATURE in NATURE.

How can you ensure the caloric content of an piece

of cake that you eat in a party? Do you have a precion

balance there? Do you have a computer program and the

receipe of How the cake was made to calculate everything?

> in the immediate vicinity who practice CR, you've lost

a lot more

> than the birthday cake will cost you.

Your friends should respect your own life decisions,

otherwise, they could not be considered as " your friends "

IMO.

>

> Iris

>

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Well Iris:

Sorry if somethimes my messages are tough. But

I should say that I am an extremist, and perhaps somehow

unhappy from being extremist. But my plan is to test

the diet in this strictu-sensu cientific way of things.

I am a non serious guy, but was not me that wrote:

" I think that is more won't power that will power

involved " :)

I should say that sometimes I eat cake too.

But because I want, not because others force

me to eat... They respect my decisions.

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Ghandi - I have tried to reply to you privately regarding some of

these issues, but the e-mails bounced back to me as rejected because

there were 'too many messages' in your mailbox.

> falsificate it !! hehe... I trust in NATURE in NATURE.

How do you know what the vitamin content of that vegetable is? How

long since it was picked? Was it grown in adequate soil, that

doesn't contain a high level of some trace metal that is not good for

you? Aflatoxin, ergot and salmonella are also natural - that doesn't

make any of them good for you.

Why should it be that natural foods meet all of your requirements for

longevity? Vitamin B12 is necessary, but not widely distributed in

foods, and also very poorly absorbed in most cases. Selenium is now

believed to be an important element in protecting one against cancer,

yet it is not present in many foods. I believe Brazil nuts are an

important source, but one of our list members is allergic to them.

What are they to do? Supplements are supplements, not replacements

for a good food regimen. So yes, I take vitamin supplements. So do

many others on this list. I also have homeowner's insurance and

health insurance. And fortunately I believe that here in the US for

the most part we don't need to worry about falsification, although we

still need to be concerned about absorption. Iron fortified cereals

are often fortified with iron filings - not the best approach since

they end up in the bottom of the bowl (although I don't eat them, I'm

aware that this is done).

CR may be good for individual longevity, but I'm not sure about

applying it across the board and the effect on the survival of the

species. Loss of libido (as seems to happen to extreme CR males) and

cessation of menstrual cycles (in extreme CR females, although less

prevalent because it seems women have more sense, and because it is

harder for them to reduce their body fat levels that far) will not

contribute to the survival of the species.

> Your friends should respect your own life decisions,

> otherwise, they could not be considered as " your friends "

> IMO.

Agreed, but I didn't say my friends pressure me regarding what I do

or don't eat. I just said that if you think your circle of friends

should only be CR'rs, you're going to have a very small circle.

However, the nature of social gatherings is such that many revolve

around food. The problem with sweets is that instead of being

occasional treats, they have become everyday items, and that is too

frequent.

> I should say that I am an extremist, and perhaps somehow

> unhappy from being extremist. But my plan is to test

> the diet in this strictu-sensu cientific way of things.

If your diet is making you unhappy, you need to fix it, or your

attitude about it. Testing this diet on 'one mouse' as we say to

describe a single person, or even a hundred 'mice', is not a test.

Too many other factors enter into it, including genetics and

happenstance. When that truck falls on you (as happened to a cousin

of mine) it won't matter how many birthday cakes you skipped. There

is controlled scientific evidence regarding CR on mice, not yet on

people, and it will be a long time before we get it. The nearest we

get to it, I think, is the epidemiology of the Okinawan population -

but we are losing that as their diet is westernized. I find the

Okinawan statistics the most compelling regarding CR of any of the

data I've seen.

Walford starts with the 'prevent what is going to kill you'

approach. I think we already have the evidence that many of the

diseases that kill us before old age can be prevented by appropriate

diet. Whether we get any further extension beyond that is gravy for

most of us.

> I should say that sometimes I eat cake too.

> But because I want, not because others force

> me to eat... They respect my decisions.

>

> -- Gandhi.

No one 'forces' you to eat anything after about the age of 6. Social

pressures sometimes encourage you to eat things you would not prepare

for yourself or go out of your way to obtain - and let's not kid

ourselves about it. However, as adults, we decide what we will and

won't eat. If food is only a source of stress for you, then you need

to fix that somehow - either by fixing your diet or your attitude.

My decision about cake (and many other foods) is for it not to be a

commonplace at my home, and to consider whether I want it when there

is an occasion. And I wear my seatbelt, and a helmet when cycling.

Reminds me of the old joke that married men don't live longer, it

only seems that way. Maybe that's the case for unhappy extreme CR

adherents? They don't live longer, it only seems that way?

Iris

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