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Hi,

May I ask a few more simple questions?

My weight has come down from 196 to 188 over the past 2 months, but it has

not changed now for about 10 days. In fact, it seems to wobble between 188

and 190. Does this mean that 1800 calories is too much for me? It does

seem like an awful lot of food... Or does it mean that I need to give it a

few more weeks and see what happens before taking it down to 1700

calories? I do step aerobic exercise for 45 minutes twice per week (300

cals each time), weights twice per week for 30 minutes each time (no idea

how many calories), doggy walks 3 times per week for 45 mins (no idea how

many cals), and golf twice per week for 18 holes (500 cals per round). I

also do yoga and Pilates when I get the urge (once or twice per month) for

about 45 minutes each.

Also: Where do people on a gluten and fruit free diet get all of their

manganese from? At the moment, I am having to eat sunflower seeds, pecans,

and coconut milk every day to make 100%. This is helping to push my fat

intake into the 40+% range, which is too high in my opinion. Should I just

not worry about it, and get the rest from supplementation, or should I be

looking for more variety? Any creative ideas on some tasty foods with high

manganese that I can easily prepare and eat daily? (no kale please -

gag!). LOUIS RICH Chicken seems to have an exceedingly high amount of

manganese, where does it come from? Or is it just a mistake in the DWIDP

database? If one looks at this URL, LOUIS RICH Chicken contains no manganese:

http://www.recipecal.com:8080/Ingredient/jsp/DisplayIngredient.jsp?ndb_no=7251 & D\

escription=LOUIS%20RICH,%20Chicken%20(white,%20oven%20roasted)

I get concerned with deli meats because they often contain broth, which

often contains gluten. I guess I could eat 10gms of ground clove spice....

Thanks,

Katrina.

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Katrina: if your diet seems like " too much food " then lower your cals. If

you then find you're losing too fast, you can always adjust up again. Also

there will be " plateaus " when you won't lose weight for a time. Don't

worry. Weight loss is secondary to the health benefits of CRON. This is a

diet that is not primarily for weight loss, although weight loss generally

happens - but it's best not to get too fixated on that. Also since you do

a lot of exercise - muscle weighs more than fat.

The best food sources for healthy fats are: avocado, nuts, extra virgin

olive oil and coconut. I personally don't watch my intake of these (i eat

them liberally) but for those who are still counting calories (which I did

for the first few months), just watch that you don't overdo it because

these fattier foods, although healthy, are high caloric.

on 4/24/2003 3:55 PM, Katrina at katnap@... wrote:

> Hi,

>

> May I ask a few more simple questions?

>

> My weight has come down from 196 to 188 over the past 2 months, but it has

> not changed now for about 10 days. In fact, it seems to wobble between 188

> and 190. Does this mean that 1800 calories is too much for me? It does

> seem like an awful lot of food... Or does it mean that I need to give it a

> few more weeks and see what happens before taking it down to 1700

> calories? I do step aerobic exercise for 45 minutes twice per week (300

> cals each time), weights twice per week for 30 minutes each time (no idea

> how many calories), doggy walks 3 times per week for 45 mins (no idea how

> many cals), and golf twice per week for 18 holes (500 cals per round). I

> also do yoga and Pilates when I get the urge (once or twice per month) for

> about 45 minutes each.

>

> Also: Where do people on a gluten and fruit free diet get all of their

> manganese from? At the moment, I am having to eat sunflower seeds, pecans,

> and coconut milk every day to make 100%. This is helping to push my fat

> intake into the 40+% range, which is too high in my opinion. Should I just

> not worry about it, and get the rest from supplementation, or should I be

> looking for more variety? Any creative ideas on some tasty foods with high

> manganese that I can easily prepare and eat daily? (no kale please -

> gag!). LOUIS RICH Chicken seems to have an exceedingly high amount of

> manganese, where does it come from? Or is it just a mistake in the DWIDP

> database? If one looks at this URL, LOUIS RICH Chicken contains no manganese:

>

> http://www.recipecal.com:8080/Ingredient/jsp/DisplayIngredient.jsp?ndb_no=7251

> & Description=LOUIS%20RICH,%20Chicken%20(white,%20oven%20roasted)

>

> I get concerned with deli meats because they often contain broth, which

> often contains gluten. I guess I could eat 10gms of ground clove spice....

>

> Thanks,

> Katrina.

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> Katrina: if your diet seems like " too much food " then lower your

cals. If you then find you're losing too fast, you can always adjust

up again.

I find myself agreeing with your suggestion. I usually only eat

about 800 calories during the day, and then I have to pile on 1,000

calories at night. I really cannot eat that much nutritious food. I

had to add a couple of eggs and half a tub of sour cream to make 1800

calories last night. I felt so bloated that it was uncomfortable.

I'll try 1600 for a while and see how I do. I just don't want to

negate the benefits of the CRON diet by coming down too quickly. I'd

rather eat a Snickers bar every day for a year than negate the next

80 years.

Others on this group must have had a similar dilemma, how did you

make your decision?

Thanks,

Katrina.

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If you MUST have sour cream, at least buy the non-fat. A better substitute

would be plain, non-fat yogurt. Instead of a snickers bar, there are many

no sugar desserts now available in the supermarket and health food stores,

as well as a host of dessert recipes in our files.

on 4/25/2003 11:55 AM, katrinacrader at katnap@... wrote:

>> Katrina: if your diet seems like " too much food " then lower your

> cals. If you then find you're losing too fast, you can always adjust

> up again.

>

> I find myself agreeing with your suggestion. I usually only eat

> about 800 calories during the day, and then I have to pile on 1,000

> calories at night. I really cannot eat that much nutritious food. I

> had to add a couple of eggs and half a tub of sour cream to make 1800

> calories last night. I felt so bloated that it was uncomfortable.

>

> I'll try 1600 for a while and see how I do. I just don't want to

> negate the benefits of the CRON diet by coming down too quickly. I'd

> rather eat a Snickers bar every day for a year than negate the next

> 80 years.

>

> Others on this group must have had a similar dilemma, how did you

> make your decision?

>

> Thanks,

> Katrina.

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The sour cream and eggs were just what happened to be available at

10pm last night in my refrigerator. And the snickers bar was just an

example of a high calorie food that I might be able to eat to up my

calories to 1800. In practice, neither of these is likely to become

a premanent part of my diet and I abandoned sweets a long time ago.

I was more concerned with the principle. Is it better to keep up the

1800 even if you don't lose weight and feel bloated just to get the

benefits of CRON, or should one follow one's instincts and reduce to

1600?

Katrina.

> If you MUST have sour cream, at least buy the non-fat. A better

substitute

> would be plain, non-fat yogurt. Instead of a snickers bar, there

are many

> no sugar desserts now available in the supermarket and health food

stores,

> as well as a host of dessert recipes in our files.

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No. If you aren't losing weight and you feel bloated, reduce your calories.

If you haven't eaten enough by nightfall, try to add CRON type foods (see

our file: " Desirable foods to include in one's diet " . Try to stock the

fridge with only healthy, desirable choices. CRON won't work unless you

drastically cut out high fat and junk foods (sour cream and snickers for

example). Read Walford's : Beyond the 120 Year Diet (available in most

libraries). Also read our files which give you a good idea of how to get

started especially: " CR Made Easy " . To access the files, go to the home

page: / and click on " files in

the left hand margin.

on 4/25/2003 1:20 PM, katrinacrader at katnap@... wrote:

> The sour cream and eggs were just what happened to be available at

> 10pm last night in my refrigerator. And the snickers bar was just an

> example of a high calorie food that I might be able to eat to up my

> calories to 1800. In practice, neither of these is likely to become

> a premanent part of my diet and I abandoned sweets a long time ago.

> I was more concerned with the principle. Is it better to keep up the

> 1800 even if you don't lose weight and feel bloated just to get the

> benefits of CRON, or should one follow one's instincts and reduce to

> 1600?

>

> Katrina.

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