Re: Question and checking in...

[Guest guest]

IMO the most compelling evidence for converting non-believers is the series of photos from the dog food studies. While it's hard to get excited about how long rodents live under CR most people have some affection for pets like dogs, and the CR'd ones didn't look underfed.

Regarding offering health advice to your friends, the odds are pretty low that they will embrace such advice and will often react as if it's personal criticism but, if you don't offer the advice the odds are even lower that they will take corrective actions. When in doubt do what's right.

JR

-----Original Message-----From: ap4bwc [mailto:ap4bwc@...]Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: [ ] Question and checking in...Hello,It has been awhile since I have posted and want to check in and say hello since Francesca is always urging us lurkers to speak up. I have been lurking on this board for I think almost two years now. I LOVE this board and want to thank all of you for all the wonderful information that you provide! I look forward to reading it every morning!I have been faithfully "practicing" for most of the past couple of years, except for about a month where I had some physical struggles and decided to do the ON ad-lib thing. Anyway, I am feeling much better and back to my usual level of CR, and oddly enough, that break caused me to drop about 5 pounds lower than my lowest weight had previously been. I guess the break broke through my plateau!Besides giving a brief update I do have a request for some advice. How have some of you dealt with social pressures and explaining CR?I have two situations. First, my boyfriend, says he sometimes "worries" that I don't eat enough. I have tried to explain CR to him, but he says he still worries and wants to make sure I am "eating enough". He then throws out words like "anorexia" which makes it clear he does not understand. I cannot get him to read the book, so do any of you have other suggestions about how to educate him about CR? On the other end, I am very worried about my best friend! She is beautiful and intelligent and a very strong person, but she is gaining more and more weight and unfortunately carries it in her middle – indicative that she is at risk for heart disease. I want to talk to her about it, and maybe even discuss CR with her, but am not sure how she will react. I don't want her to get upset.I was thinking that maybe I should put together a Power Point presentation on CRON and get all my friends together and make them sit through it! j/kWell if you have any tips on friends and family and CRON I would love to hear it! Thanks again to all of you on this board for everything you do. Best wishes,Amy

[Guest guest]

ap: it's hard to tell from the info below if your boyfriend is uninformed,

or feels " threatened " by your svelte figure, or perhaps is even correct that

you're anorexic (since you didn't give us any stats or calorie intake). We

can't control others so if he won't read about CR, does he hear you if you

discuss it with him ? If all else fails, try to get him to agree that the

topic become off limits, since the two of you aren't going to come to any

agreement on it. BTW, is he normal weight, overweight or thin?

For your friend, my suggestion is just tell her about CR and that you're on

that diet. Then leave it up to her to investigate further. IOW, don't

push.

on 11/21/2002 11:36 AM, ap4bwc at ap4bwc@... wrote:

> I have two situations. First, my boyfriend, says he

> sometimes " worries " that I don't eat enough. I have tried to explain

> CR to him, but he says he still worries and wants to make sure I

> am " eating enough " . He then throws out words like " anorexia " which

> makes it clear he does not understand. I cannot get him to read the

> book, so do any of you have other suggestions about how to educate

> him about CR?

>

> On the other end, I am very worried about my best friend! She is

> beautiful and intelligent and a very strong person, but she is

> gaining more and more weight and unfortunately carries it in her

> middle – indicative that she is at risk for heart disease. I want to

> talk to her about it, and maybe even discuss CR with her, but am not

> sure how she will react. I don't want her to get upset.

[Guest guest]

Re:

"For your friend, my suggestion is just tell her about CR and that you're onthat diet. Then leave it up to her to investigate further. IOW, don'tpush."

I agree. I once saw a statement by an experienced psychiatrist that I've seen proven time and again since then:

"Unsolicited advice *never* works."

-- Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Francesca Skelton

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:48 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Question and checking in...

ap: it's hard to tell from the info below if your boyfriend is uninformed,or feels "threatened" by your svelte figure, or perhaps is even correct thatyou're anorexic (since you didn't give us any stats or calorie intake). Wecan't control others so if he won't read about CR, does he hear you if youdiscuss it with him ? If all else fails, try to get him to agree that thetopic become off limits, since the two of you aren't going to come to anyagreement on it. BTW, is he normal weight, overweight or thin?For your friend, my suggestion is just tell her about CR and that you're onthat diet. Then leave it up to her to investigate further. IOW, don'tpush.on 11/21/2002 11:36 AM, ap4bwc at ap4bwc@... wrote:> I have two situations. First, my boyfriend, says he> sometimes "worries" that I don't eat enough. I have tried to explain> CR to him, but he says he still worries and wants to make sure I> am "eating enough". He then throws out words like "anorexia" which> makes it clear he does not understand. I cannot get him to read the> book, so do any of you have other suggestions about how to educate> him about CR? > > On the other end, I am very worried about my best friend! She is> beautiful and intelligent and a very strong person, but she is> gaining more and more weight and unfortunately carries it in her> middle – indicative that she is at risk for heart disease. I want to> talk to her about it, and maybe even discuss CR with her, but am not> sure how she will react. I don't want her to get upset.

[Guest guest]

Your boyfriend may have valid concerns if

you/he plan to have children. CR and pregnancy/nursing do *not* go together.

Micky.

-----Original Message-----

From: Francesca Skelton

[mailto:fskelton@...]

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002

1:49 PM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Question and checking in...

ap: it's hard to tell from the info below if

your boyfriend is uninformed,

or feels " threatened " by your svelte

figure, or perhaps is even correct that

you're anorexic (since you didn't give us any

stats or calorie intake). We

can't control others so if he won't read about CR,

does he hear you if you

discuss it with him ? If all else fails, try

to get him to agree that the

topic become off limits, since the two of you

aren't going to come to any

agreement on it. BTW, is he normal weight,

overweight or thin?

For your friend, my suggestion is just tell her

about CR and that you're on

that diet. Then leave it up to her to

investigate further. IOW, don't

push.

on 11/21/2002 11:36 AM, ap4bwc at ap4bwc@...

wrote:

> I have two situations. First, my

boyfriend, says he

> sometimes " worries " that I don't

eat enough. I have tried to explain

> CR to him, but he says he still worries and

wants to make sure I

> am " eating enough " . He then

throws out words like " anorexia " which

> makes it clear he does not understand.

I cannot get him to read the

> book, so do any of you have other suggestions

about how to educate

> him about CR?

>

> On the other end, I am very worried about my

best friend! She is

> beautiful and intelligent and a very strong

person, but she is

> gaining more and more weight and

unfortunately carries it in her

> middle – indicative that she is at risk

for heart disease. I want to

> talk to her about it, and maybe even discuss

CR with her, but am not

> sure how she will react. I don't want

her to get upset.

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[Guest guest]

Hmmm, as far as being anorexic, I don't think so. If I was I would

be really surprised. LOL! I do not have the classic indicators of

being anorexic - BMI below 17.5, amenorrhea, etc. I don't feel I

obsess about food, and when I look in the mirror I don't think I

am

fat. On the contrary I am proud of my body, my diet and my

lifestyle. At my highest weight, about two years ago, I was 165

pounds and I am proud of my accomplishment.

As far as my stats go, I feel that I have reached my goal 100% for

CR. I am 5' 7.5 " and weight 120 pounds with a monthly

average of

1300 calories a day. My weight is stabilized at this level, and if I

end up losing more weight I will up my caloric intake. I think for

my build anything less that 120 would be too skinny.

As far as my boyfriend is concerned, I think there are two issues at

hand. First of all, he and I got together when I was at 165 pounds

so he has seen this change in bodyweight, and I think that if the

roles were revered, I might be concerned as well. Secondly, he is a

meat and potatoes kind of guy, so I think it is hard for him to

understand why I am sitting across from him thoroughly enjoying my

salad while he sedates himself with 3 servings of steak in one

sitting. J He is trying to make better decisions though, and oddly

enough keeps asking me, " What should I eat… " but then in the

next

breath, " Are you sure you are eating enough… " But I like

Francesca's

idea, to declare it off limits because the conversation goes nowhere.

As far as my friend goes, I appreciate the advice and I know deep

down in my heart there is nothing that I can say that will get her to

change her ways. It does care me though. She loves to go to the

movies, and every time she does, she gets a large popcorn with butter

and smuggles in a salt shaker as well. I looked up the nutritional

info on a large popcorn… it is 1500 calories!

[Guest guest]

ap: your stats sound great! Congrats! And keep up the good work!

on 11/22/2002 12:14 PM, ap4bwc at ap4bwc@... wrote:

> As far as my stats go, I feel that I have reached my goal 100% for

> CR. I am 5' 7.5 " and weight 120 pounds with a monthly

> average of

> 1300 calories a day. My weight is stabilized at this level, and if I

> end up losing more weight I will up my caloric intake. I think for

> my build anything less that 120 would be too skinny.