RE: sleep: melatonin/valerian combo

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Francesca, It works for me for about a month (if I take it that long), but

then I develop a little tolerance and need to get off it. I've found it

works for short term. Not a one day wonder.

Regards,

A.

Francesca Skelton

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Subject: [ ] sleep:

melatonin/valerian combo

10/16/2002 06:29

AM

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Last nite (the second nite in a row) I had trouble sleeping. I even took a

prescription sleeping pill which didn't work. I then tried the

Valerian/melatonin combination recommended by Hipp. It worked!! I

have enough of the two substances for a short while and then have to

reorder. In the event it continues to do the job, anyone have good sources

for these products?

Here's hoping it wasn't a one day wonder.

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bob: good to hear from you! Being that my prescription sleeping pills are

no longer working, what IS working for you these days? or arent you

sleeping? Maybe changing off between the two is the answer?

on 10/16/2002 10:01 AM, robert.apple@... at

robert.apple@... wrote:

> Francesca, It works for me for about a month (if I take it that long), but

> then I develop a little tolerance and need to get off it. I've found it

> works for short term. Not a one day wonder.

>

> Regards,

>

> A.

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I take 15 mg Remeron and 3 to 5 mg melatonin. When my sleep starts to

suffer, I take a large dose of valarian. (I once read a study that showed

the threshold levels of valarian are higher than originally thought), but I

never have a problem with any side effects. In fact, I can take a large

dose for about a month without tolerance kicking in. Then, If I wanted, I

would change to KAVA, but I've never had to take it that long. Another

thing I do is restrict my sleep and sometimes take a HOT! bath before going

down. Also, I keep my room relatively cool at night. It all REALLY helps.

I have found that sleep restriction DOES help though it isn't all that

easy. (Go figure. You can't sleep, so stop trying. Who would of thought

this would actually improve sleep.) If you want to crash, cut your sleep

down 2 hours a night and after about 3 days, you feel like hell, but when

you hit the pillow, you sleep quickly. At least this is the case with me.

I've read a number of sleep aid books, and one called " No More Sleepless

Nights " , the author explains that in all his years of study, he has never

met a single person who didn't get SOME sleep every night. Sometimes its

as little as 2 hours, but EVERYONE does sleep. Knowing that helps me to

not stress it, and to focus on the quality of sleep instead of the

quantity. With that in mind, and using sleep restriction and careful use

of supplements like Valarian, Hops, Camomile, Kava, Melatonin, and Remeron,

I have had pretty good sleep control over the last couple of years. When

things start to go wrong in this area, I take steps to make corrections

with environment in my room, exercise in my day, eating habits before going

to bed, sleep restriction, and when needed, the use of supplements.

I have had a number of times when I've had unrefreshing sleep for a night

and even two nights at a time, but when I do those things listed above, I

can't recall a single time in the past 2 years where I've had a third night

that was poor.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

A.

Francesca Skelton

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Subject: Re: [ ]

sleep: melatonin/valerian combo

10/16/2002 08:03

AM

Please respond to

bob: good to hear from you! Being that my prescription sleeping pills are

no longer working, what IS working for you these days? or arent you

sleeping? Maybe changing off between the two is the answer?

on 10/16/2002 10:01 AM, robert.apple@... at

robert.apple@... wrote:

> Francesca, It works for me for about a month (if I take it that long),

but

> then I develop a little tolerance and need to get off it. I've found it

> works for short term. Not a one day wonder.

>

> Regards,

>

> A.

[Guest guest]

Perhaps I'm lucky but the few times I've experienced problems sleeping, usually related to anticipation of some stressful event or over stimulation (coffee/exercise), the next night I had no trouble sleeping.

Kind of like the lack of cat skeletons in trees despite all the cats that get stuck in them... cat's eventually come down and you will eventually get your sleep, hopefully not while you're driving.

JR

-----Original Message-----From: robert.apple@... [mailto:robert.apple@...]Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [ ] sleep: melatonin/valerian comboI take 15 mg Remeron and 3 to 5 mg melatonin. When my sleep starts tosuffer, I take a large dose of valarian. (I once read a study that showedthe threshold levels of valarian are higher than originally thought), but Inever have a problem with any side effects. In fact, I can take a largedose for about a month without tolerance kicking in. Then, If I wanted, Iwould change to KAVA, but I've never had to take it that long. Anotherthing I do is restrict my sleep and sometimes take a HOT! bath before goingdown. Also, I keep my room relatively cool at night. It all REALLY helps.I have found that sleep restriction DOES help though it isn't all thateasy. (Go figure. You can't sleep, so stop trying. Who would of thoughtthis would actually improve sleep.) If you want to crash, cut your sleepdown 2 hours a night and after about 3 days, you feel like hell, but whenyou hit the pillow, you sleep quickly. At least this is the case with me.I've read a number of sleep aid books, and one called "No More SleeplessNights", the author explains that in all his years of study, he has nevermet a single person who didn't get SOME sleep every night. Sometimes itsas little as 2 hours, but EVERYONE does sleep. Knowing that helps me tonot stress it, and to focus on the quality of sleep instead of thequantity. With that in mind, and using sleep restriction and careful useof supplements like Valarian, Hops, Camomile, Kava, Melatonin, and Remeron,I have had pretty good sleep control over the last couple of years. Whenthings start to go wrong in this area, I take steps to make correctionswith environment in my room, exercise in my day, eating habits before goingto bed, sleep restriction, and when needed, the use of supplements.I have had a number of times when I've had unrefreshing sleep for a nightand even two nights at a time, but when I do those things listed above, Ican't recall a single time in the past 2 years where I've had a third nightthat was poor.Hope this helps.Regards, A. Francesca Skelton <fskelton@... < > om> cc: Subject: Re: [ ] sleep: melatonin/valerian combo 10/16/2002 08:03 AM Please respond to bob: good to hear from you! Being that my prescription sleeping pills areno longer working, what IS working for you these days? or arent yousleeping? Maybe changing off between the two is the answer?on 10/16/2002 10:01 AM, robert.apple@... atrobert.apple@... wrote:> Francesca, It works for me for about a month (if I take it that long),but> then I develop a little tolerance and need to get off it. I've found it> works for short term. Not a one day wonder.>> Regards,>> A.