Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Iron: welcome to the group! Our collective experiences on CRON have led many of us to believe that set point is a questionable place. It seems to " shift " throughout life so the weight you were in your 20's can't really be counted upon as a gauge (in the opinion of many of us). A better way to start is to determine your present caloric intake and gradually reduce it while replacing your present diet with high quality foods. We have many files in our " files " area to help you get started. As Walford says: if you're losing weight too fast, slow it down and vice versa. Weight is really irrelevant. The issue is reducing calories and increasing the quality of your diet. Most people do lose weight however as a side effect of CRON. Better simple tests to see if you're truly croned is : lowered BP, lowered WBC count, fewer illnesses and colds and in my case I find that my hair looks fuller and thicker (Walford mentions this about the CR mice looking better hairwise/furwise). Please keep us posted and don't hesitate to ask other questions. Try reading our files. They should be a big help to you. on 4/22/2003 11:37 AM, ironmarshal2003 at smf@... wrote: > I just finished reading the 120 Year Diet and purchased the > nutritional database, however I am a little unclear on what the proper > set point should be. In the book Dr. Walford states that you should > seek to achieve and maintain a weight that is 15-25% your set point > (your weight in your twenties if you did not over or undereat). I am > now 32, 6' and weigh 210 with a 22% body fat. During my twenties I > was about 190 on average...if I go 15% below that I would weigh 160. > In order to achieve that with a 10% body fat count I would have to > lose 25lbs of fat and 25 lbs of muscle. Is this correct? I can > hardly picture myself weighing 160 lbs at 6 feet tall. > > I appreciate any help I can get in sorting out my questions about the > CR program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 There have been long drawn-out discussions regarding setpoint, the major conclusions of which have been that .... setpoint is a truly nebulous value. You don't say if you are or were particularly athletic. According to the handy-dandy BMI chart tucked in the back of my medicine cabinet, for a 6' person, healthy BMI (18.5-23.5) weights are about 140-170. This makes even your 190 way too high. A weight of 160 gives a BMI of about 21.5. This would be appropriate for someone not particularly athletic, i.e. without serious muscle bulk from physical activities. You also don't say how you're getting the 22% number. Electric impedance scale? Body fold? Immersion? Only the last one is really reliable. If you lost 25 lb of fat, you would be at 185 lb, with 11.5% body fat, which is still not too shabby. Don't plan on losing muscle. Start with this as a target. This is not going to happen overnight anyway (note Walford's comments on how quickly/slowly to lose weight), so see how you feel when you get there. There are other biomarkers you may also want to monitor, such as LDL, HDL, triglycerides, homocysteine and blood pressure, which are the easier ones to get. No one is going to chase you with a gun (which is what I tease my husband about when he comes in from running and is complaining about it) to make you weigh 160. Go to http://www.wholefitness.com/tools.html - one of the tools is an optimum weight calculator. If I put in your stats, of 210/22% with a target % bodyfat of 10, it says lose 28 pounds to get to 182. Make your goal 180 and see how you feel and how the other biomarkers look. Then revisit where you want to be. The jury is still out on the life extension value of CR in humans, but you can surely reduce the risks of the kinds of things that shorten your life. Go to the group's files area, and look at the charts in the " CSPI plots of BMI vs disease risk.xls " - I swiped these from the CSPI newseletter from years ago. For men, a BMI of 22 drops the increased risk of diabetes, arthritis and hypertension to 0 - a pretty good start. Based on my weight when I got married and Walford's guidelines with respect to setpoint, I should weigh about 118. The last time I was at that weight all my friends thought I was terminally ill. And if somebody out there is going to tell me not to listen to 'those kinds of friends' - take a hike. I really did look awful, without any improvement in biomarkers over a weight about 10 pounds higher. Iris --- In , " ironmarshal2003 " <smf@b...> wrote: > I just finished reading the 120 Year Diet and purchased the > nutritional database, however I am a little unclear on what the proper > set point should be. In the book Dr. Walford states that you should > seek to achieve and maintain a weight that is 15-25% your set point > (your weight in your twenties if you did not over or undereat). I am > now 32, 6' and weigh 210 with a 22% body fat. During my twenties I > was about 190 on average...if I go 15% below that I would weigh 160. > In order to achieve that with a 10% body fat count I would have to > lose 25lbs of fat and 25 lbs of muscle. Is this correct? I can > hardly picture myself weighing 160 lbs at 6 feet tall. > > I appreciate any help I can get in sorting out my questions about the > CR program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 >I can hardly picture myself weighing 160 lbs at 6 feet tall. My gorgeous husband is 5'11 " and 150 lbs. He's not on CR, by the way. If 160 is your current goal, I would say that it's entirely reasonable, and desirable, IMO. My husband does lift weights and has some muscle mass, but is not bulky at all. It seems to me that you are probably fairly muscular - something that is hard to maintain if on CR. - Robin _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Reading between the lines of your post it sounds like you've lost over 15 pounds in 23 days??? If so you are probably doing yourself more harm than good. Read Walford's " BT120YD " . Slow down. Weight lost too quickly is not a good idea. on 6/9/2006 10:08 AM, transientusage at w92nqlq6r001@... wrote: Hi, I'm 30, male. 1000-1200 cal/day for 23 days. Primarily vegetables and fruit, mostly raw. Fish the only animal. No dairy. No sugar and salt added. Cut down on potatoes, pasta, rice and bread. About a tablespoon of vegetable oil/day. Spring water only. Sometimes fruit juice. No drugs. No supplements. Cardio exercising daily for 40-60 min, weight training 3 days a week. Lost 15.5 lb. Still 36 lb until ideal weight, 46 lb until -5%. I'm never hungry. Food tastes better than ever. Sleep went down from 9-11 h to 7-8 somedays even 5 h. Falling asleep and waking up are quick, 10 min at most. My mind has changed, like a fog has dissipated. The constant feeling of well-being and energy is incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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