Important Questions raised by Iris

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Oh Iris:

Don't be afraid to talk to me in public. Your

messages are very important to our group !!

I'm aware of the problem you cite in my mailbox.

so you can use: ronaldogandhi@... for personal

e-mails.

> How do you know what the vitamin content of that

vegetable is?

Well, vegetals in untreated soil

in general have low minerals, and perhaps fewer vitamins.

But their caloric content are low too. So it's easy

to get all vitamins an minerals of low calorie foods,

than from foods that are high in calories.

>How long since it was picked?

Right. Some vitamins get oxidised with the

time (I heard ascorbic acid in contact with the air

is an example, but I need

to seek out for this information and other examples

in the way for not saying a thing that cannot be

proved).

But it doesn't happens with minerals that forms ions

in watter solution.

For example:

Zinc can be oxidated and even in this way used for

the organism, because in solution it forms ions:

Zn++ and O--.

> you? Aflatoxin, ergot and salmonella are also

natural - that doesn't

> make any of them good for you.

The organism doesn't want everything to be

perfect. Otherwise we will not need imunological system

or cell defenses (like apoptosis) that protect us against

cancer.

Toxins are indeed a terrible thing and (you are

right!)

shortens life:

You have to trust in the person you buy

the foods, as ironically

you can trust the person you buy the pills... hehe...

you need to trust in the lab that do

the analisis too...

>

> Why should it be that natural foods meet all of your

requirements for

> longevity? Vitamin B12 is necessary, but not widely

distributed in

> foods, and also very poorly absorbed in most cases.

The conseil is not mine: Walford says that you

need to get all the vitamins from food (mainly) in

other to get a greater absorption as you pointed.

In this way, you

are right: B12 should be in fat to be absorbed, and

is found mostly in animal products.

To absorve well vitamins of the pills, the surface of

absorption should be big as you pointed.

The surface area of the pill is not

as big and the absorption depends on the time it stays

inside the organism. If you eat a lot of food that is

not rich in vitamins, you will get all the vitamins

from that food, but you will not be CR.

Selenium is now

> believed to be an important element in protecting one

against cancer,

> yet it is not present in many foods. I believe Brazil

nuts are an

> important source, but one of our list members is

allergic to them.

Selenium is also found in wheat germ and in some

grains too.

> What are they to do? Supplements are supplements, not

replacements

> for a good food regimen. So yes, I take vitamin

supplements. So do

> many others on this list.

Well, I agree here too. I do suplementation, but

I need to be sure I've got all the vitamins from food.

Here is a sample of my diet 05/01/2003:

Orange juice, raw -- 133 g --

60 kcal

Carrots, cooked, boiled without salt -- 20 g --

9 kcal

Papayas, raw -- 380 g --

148 kcal

Peanuts, all types, raw -- 80 g --

453 kcal

Milk, nonfat, fluid, without vit A -- 1000 g --

350 kcal

Wheat germ, crude -- 115 g --

414 kcal

CALORIES:

Total: 1427.8

VITAMINS:

Vit A 123%

Vit B6 117%

Vit B12 185%

Vit C 594%

Vit E 124%

Thi 216%

Fol 385%

Rib 130%

Nia 105%

Pan 167%

Fiber 100%

MINERALS:

Ca 119%

Zn 140%

Cu 104%

Ph 192%

K 225%

Fe 119%

Se 171%

Mg 163%

Mn 569%

Na 113%

Aminoacids:

Tyr 343%

Lys 721%

Phe 396%

Leu 678%

Val 540%

Met 545%

Cys 381%

Try 595%

Thr 706%

Iso 543%

> the most part we don't need to worry about

falsification, although we

USA is a developed country.

In Brazil, falsification of medicines already

happened. And I have to

keep my eyes opened...

>

> CR may be good for individual longevity, but I'm not

sure about

> applying it across the board and the effect on the

survival of the

> species. Loss of libido (as seems to happen to

extreme CR males) and

> cessation of menstrual cycles (in extreme CR females,

although less

> prevalent because it seems women have more sense, and

because it is

> harder for them to reduce their body fat levels that

far) will not

> contribute to the survival of the species.

I don't know what to say Your argument is fine: CR

is not for everybody.

For example: Children would never folow the diet,

because it would shunt

their grouth by about 10 inches. And the society

(coldly) discriminates short

people.

But until I find someone to live with me forever, I

need to do CR in order to

increase my lifetime and increase my chances to find

someone. Of course, I would

never find someone if everybody consider me boring .

So there are things

that CR can't do for us all.

> Agreed, but I didn't say my friends pressure me

regarding what I do

> or don't eat. I just said that if you think your

circle of friends

> should only be CR'rs, you're going to have a very

small circle.

Well... All my frieds here do not do CR...

> However, the nature of social gatherings is such that

many revolve

> around food.

This is a problem, indeed. But I had friends that

did not drink at all,

went to parties and take their foods there, or simply

didn't drank alchool in

that party. They were respected in their decisions, but

the most of the

people (you are right in saying it) prefer others with

the same way of life

(and perhaps the same toughts too) to live together. It

will be very difficult

to find somebody in a world plenty of people that want

to enjoy *all* the things

in the life don't worring about what tomorrow could

brings.

> Too many other factors enter into it, including

genetics and

> happenstance. When that truck falls on you (as

happened to a cousin

> of mine) it won't matter how many birthday cakes you

skipped. There

> is controlled scientific evidence regarding CR on

mice, not yet on

Sorry about you cousin.

I do CR thinking about the benefits I can get of it

today. I feel

more energy and CR indeed makes me happy, but not in

plenitude. Something

is lacking.

It's dificuld for me to say that if I did not do CR I

would be more

happy, because happiness is not a measurable thing.

I would not be 100% happy with ad-lib, knowing that it

will short my

life, for example. But I also should say that I would

not be 100% happy

if the diet is making me unhappy.

I know that cafeine detonate the bones. Hehe . But

cafeine (of the coffee)

makes me happy. So I drink it. Others prefer alchool.

It's a personal

decision. As you said, I need to adapt your diet to the

sitiation I am

to be happy

>

> Walford starts with the 'prevent what is going to kill

you'

> approach. I think we already have the evidence that

many of the

> diseases that kill us before old age can be prevented

by appropriate

> diet. Whether we get any further extension beyond

that is gravy for

> most of us.

This thinking is superior.

>

> Reminds me of the old joke that married men don't live

longer, it

> only seems that way. Maybe that's the case for

unhappy extreme CR

> adherents? They don't live longer, it only seems that

way?

Hehe.. How can anyone knows what a heck is going on?

-- Gandhi.

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