Re: Fish consumption does not increase your chances of living long?

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> Hi All, Fish consumption does not increase your chances of living long?

> That seems to be what PMID: 12725883 [PubMed - in process] says.

>

> Cheers, Al.

>

> Alan Pater, Ph.D.; Faculty of Medicine; Memorial University; St. 's, NL

> A1B 3V6 Canada; Tel. No.: (709) 777-6488; Fax No.: (709) 777-7010; email:

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I haven't read the article, but given the level of mercury contamination in

fish,

that doesn't surprise me. Did they control for that?

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Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 15:51

From: Alan Pater <apater@...> WROTE:

Hi All, Fish consumption does not increase your chances of living long?

That seems to be what PMID: 12725883 [PubMed - in process] says.

Hi Al & ALL

Thanks Al for posing that question, which I think the answer is left

unanswered at this point.

From the abstract it says (at bottom below)... note last sentence after

" BUT " . Also, eating fish ONCE per week is not enough to probably have much

effect. Note recent NIH recommendations to get an average of 0.65g of

EPA/DHA per day. (Just an average weekly recommendation of 4.5g, as you

don't have to eat EFA fish every day!) Also, WHAT kind of fish did these

Danish people eat? Few fish have large amounts of EFA's, so unless the

Danes ate the EFA fish I doubt they get much benefit. I seriously doubt

they got even close to 4.5g of EFA's per week, not that " that " number is the

holy grail.

On another related note consider this. I'll agree with MR that if you are

ALREADY a CRONIE at your CR IDEAL weight, then one might reduce one's EFAs

if one agrees with MR's theory. What we all need to remember on this list

is that MANY here are not even close to their ideal CR weight (or CR diet).

Some will take years to reach that weight & diet optimum. ( Walford

took about 12 years to lose less than 15 lbs, I'm going on memory so don't

quote this as exact, so some do take a conservative approach towards slow

reduction in weight.) Others face more near to mid-term serious health

problems due to disease, risks, or family history, so they have to consider

what maximum lifespan means for them too. It's certainly not the same set

of decisions other CR experts here will make, so we need to -always- keep

that in mind considering the data & theories.

There is no ideal method or practice of CR. To think there is " an ideal " is

dangerous, as most won't square THEIR curves & will drop like flies dead off

" the ideal " !

crbest. numi

RELEVANT SECTION FROM ABSTRACT BELOW...

for a consumption of fish of less than two times per month or less compared

with once a week), but there was relatively few cases in this subgroup.

These data provides no evidence for a protective effect of fish consumption

on all-cause mortality or incident CHD in the population as a whole, but it

cannot be excluded that frequent consumption of fish benefits those at high

risk for CHD.

No inverse association between fish consumption and risk of death from

all-causes, and incidence of coronary heart disease in middle-aged, Danish

adults.

Osler M, sen AH, Hoidrup S.

Institute of Public Health, University of Copenhagen, Panum Institute,

Blegdamsvej 3, 2200, Copenhagen N, Denmark

This study investigate the relation between fish consumption, all-cause

mortality, and incidence of coronary heart disease (CHD). A total of 4,513

men and 3,984 women aged 30-70 years, sampled randomly from the population

in Copenhagen County, Denmark, with initially examination in 1982-1992 was

followed until 2000 for all-cause mortality and until 1997 for first

admission to hospital or death from CHD. Information on fish consumption was

obtained from a self-administered food-frequency questionnaire.

proportional hazard analysis gave no evidence for an inverse association

between fish consumption and all-cause mortality or incident CHD after

adjustment for confounders. Among subjects with a priory-defined high risk

of CHD there was a nonsignificant inverse relation between fish intake and

CHD morbidity (Hazard Ratio 1.28 (0.92-1.80) for a consumption of fish of

less than two times per month or less compared with once a week), but there

was relatively few cases in this subgroup. These data provides no evidence

for a protective effect of fish consumption on all-cause mortality or

incident CHD in the population as a whole, but it cannot be excluded that

frequent consumption of fish benefits those at high risk for CHD.

PMID: 12725883 [PubMed - in process]

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Oh Well!

And tofu causes Alzheimer's...but the Okinawan elders have a very low rate

of senile dementia in any form, and throw down extra firm tofu every day.

They eat fish, too. And they just go ahead living long with moderately

reduced calories and a pretty good diet....

Ed s

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Subject: [ ] Fish consumption does not increase your chances of

living long?

> Hi All, Fish consumption does not increase your chances of living long?

> That seems to be what PMID: 12725883 [PubMed - in process] says.

>

> Cheers, Al.

>

> Alan Pater, Ph.D.; Faculty of Medicine; Memorial University; St. 's,

NL

> A1B 3V6 Canada; Tel. No.: (709) 777-6488; Fax No.: (709) 777-7010; email:

> apater@...

>

>

>

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Probably more significant, IMO, is that a significant number GET to 80 yo. About 80 the stroke mortality switches from ischemic to hemorrhagic (in Japanese), i.e., more deaths from hemo after 80. I don't know how we control for that except less fat overall for many years before 80yo, maybe some fish.

Regards.

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From: Ed Sullivan

Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 2:21 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Fish consumption does not increase your chances of living long?

Oh Well!And tofu causes Alzheimer's...but the Okinawan elders have a very low rateof senile dementia in any form, and throw down extra firm tofu every day.They eat fish, too. And they just go ahead living long with moderatelyreduced calories and a pretty good diet....Ed s