Re: Female CR hunger during the estrus cycle?

[Guest guest]

Most women don't need a study to tell them that. They've lived it! But

thank goodness for menopause!

on 5/31/2003 4:25 PM, Alan Pater at apater@... wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> The below to me suggested that women may have more trouble keeping to CR

> during the specific periods of the estrus cycle.

[Guest guest]

Hang in there, Francesca!

Don't be too confident in that " time of life " called menopause. It isn't

the answer to all problems!

I'm now 70 1/2 and thought that I was well beyond the effects of menopause.

Not so! At a meeting about two weeks ago, for no apparent reason, I broke

down in tears and had to excuse myself from the rest of meeting. I'm also

having those female power surges better known as 'hot flashes' at odd times.

I just had some blood tests run and everything came back in the normal

range; GO FIGURE.

If I ever come to some kind of understanding of what is happening, I'll let

you all in on it.

Ruth

[Guest guest]

Ruth: I had the worst menopause of all time so it certainly was not the

answer to my problems. However for the last few years (and especially after

starting CRON), I've been feeling much better. Also was on HRT for many

years 'cause til lately the medical community was recommending it. As with

many things, the medical community has just reversed its' position on

hormones. I can only hope that I didn't cause myself any damage.

on 6/1/2003 1:57 AM, Ruth at cccucc@... wrote:

> Don't be too confident in that " time of life " called menopause. It isn't

> the answer to all problems!

[Guest guest]

Alan Pater wrote:

>Hi All,

>

>The below to me suggested that women may have more trouble keeping to CR

>during the specific periods of the estrus cycle. The available PDF also

>showed that the leptin, went up from just below 15 to about 20 ng/ml where

>the insulin followed about the same kinetics in going from about 60 to 80

>pM. Also, the kinetics seemed to follow those of the female hormones when

>you consider both estrogen and progesterone.

>

>Cheers, Al.

>

>

I'm curious, does this also apply to the artificial menstrual cycle for

people on the Pill?

And those who have taken to continual Pill use, or something like

Seasonal, do they still get these periodic food cravings?

[Guest guest]

When I was on HRT, I would get the full blown pre-menstrual nasties just

like the real thing. This would kick in when I would add the progesterone

(as opposed to the estrogen) to bring on the cycle.

on 6/1/2003 1:14 PM, Kyber at kyberneticist@... wrote:

> I'm curious, does this also apply to the artificial menstrual cycle for

> people on the Pill?

> And those who have taken to continual Pill use, or something like

> Seasonal, do they still get these periodic food cravings?

[Guest guest]

Francesca Skelton wrote on 1 June 2003:

Subject: Re: [ ] Female CR hunger during the estrus cycle?

> When I was on HRT, I would get the full blown pre-menstrual nasties just

like the real thing. This would kick in when I would add the progesterone

(as opposed to the estrogen) to bring on the cycle.

Probably you weren't really taking progesterone, and this fact may account for

the troubles you report!

For example, AFAIK none of the following (listed in alphabetic order) contain

any progesterone at all:

Activella

Amen

Aygestin

CombiPatch

Cycrin

Curretab

FemHRT

Micronor

Nor-QD

Ortho-Prefest

Premphase

Prempro

Provera

Instead of progesterone, which is a natural substance that young women

biosynthesize in their bodies, the above contain various progestins, which are

artificial molecules that have no natural occurrence in the body and thus cause

various undesirable toxic effects. For example, I've read that

medroxyprogesterone acetate, an active ingredient of Prempro, Premphase,

Provera, and others, has been shown to interfere with the protective effects of

estradiol against coronary vasospasm (Nature Medicine, March 1997,

3(3):324-327). Elsewhere I've read that progestins can cause depression and

lots of other undesirable effects.

These synthetic drugs are marketed in confusing ways so women think they're

getting progesterone.

It seems this marketing strategy is because in general only synthetic, unnatural

drugs can be patented in the US, thus there's much more profit for

pharmaceutical companies in making and promoting the synthetics. Sounds awfully

cynical, but I don't know any other reason why the misinformation would be

promulgated.

Until a few years ago I myself didn't know the difference.

The recent large study that's said to indicate that hormone replacement therapy

is harmful was done with progestin(s), so AFAIK the study says little or nothing

about the effects to be expected when older women replace hormones with natural,

bioidentical hormones.

For a good discussion of progestins vs. progesterone, see /What Your Doctor May

Not Tell You About Menopause/ by R. Lee, M.D., 1996. I think there's

another /What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About.../ book for younger women's

concerns, too.

Lynn

dayrain@...

[Guest guest]

Hello Lynn and CR ALL:

Natural Hormone Replacement Therapy for woman. VERY important,

especially for men. Dr. Lee even states that men should

be as much concerned as women. The danger is real, and the

pain and discomfort is agony when using the WRONG replacement.

Thank you both -- Francesca for bringing up this topic, and

giving news references showing that the common doctor HRT

prescriptions are dangerous -- and Lynn for discussing some

of the science, including Dr. R. Lee's contributions (below).

On 01 June 2003, Lynn wrote:

> The recent large study that's said to indicate that hormone

> replacement therapy is harmful was done with progestin(s),

> so AFAIK the study says little or nothing about the effects

> to be expected when older women replace hormones with natural,

> bioidentical hormones.

Exactly.

>

> For a good discussion of progestins vs. progesterone, see

> /What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause/

> by R. Lee, M.D., 1996. I think there's another

> /What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About.../ book for

> younger women's concerns, too.

>

> Lynn

> dayrain@...

Again, thanks for your courage to speak out Lynn. It is just

as you have stated: Synthetic " standard " patented chemicals that

most doctors prescribe are TOTALLY DIFFERENT from the natural

hormones in our bodies. And informed woman around the country

are up in arms, crusading to get the word out and prevent the

excess mortality, cancer, and death just recently discovered,

confirmed, and published (peer-reviewed, medical journal researched

and proven) in the latest studies.

Dr. R. Lee is one of the world's foremost authorities

on natural hormone replacement therapy for women. Natural in

this context means biochemically molecularly identical to the

genuine human compounds in the female body -- and NOT synthetic

analogs obtained from pharmaceutical patented chemicals and

derivatives that are foreign and DIFFERENT from the human body.

Dr. Lee has his own website. It is worth investigating:

http://www.johnleemd.com/

He travels in the U.S. and around the world, speaking to

concerned women's groups. His audio cassettes are EXCELLENT.

http://www.johnleemd.com/videos.html

If you are female, young or old, postmenopausal or not,

each and every person should get Dr. Lee's 3-hour audio

cassette program. It is inexpensive, authoritative, and

listening to it can improve your life, and possibly save it.

-- Warren

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Lynn [mailto:dayrain@...]

> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 12:28 PM

> CR Support Group

> Subject: Re: [ ] Female CR hunger during the estrus cycle?

>

>

> Francesca Skelton wrote on 1 June 2003:

> Subject: Re: [ ] Female CR hunger during the estrus cycle?

> > When I was on HRT, I would get the full blown pre-menstrual nasties just

> like the real thing. This would kick in when I would add the progesterone

> (as opposed to the estrogen) to bring on the cycle.

>

> Probably you weren't really taking progesterone, and this fact

> may account for

> the troubles you report!

>

> For example, AFAIK none of the following (listed in alphabetic

> order) contain

> any progesterone at all:

> Activella

> Amen

> Aygestin

> CombiPatch

> Cycrin

> Curretab

> FemHRT

> Micronor

> Nor-QD

> Ortho-Prefest

> Premphase

> Prempro

> Provera

>

> Instead of progesterone, which is a natural substance that young women

> biosynthesize in their bodies, the above contain various

> progestins, which are

> artificial molecules that have no natural occurrence in the body

> and thus cause

> various undesirable toxic effects. For example, I've read that

> medroxyprogesterone acetate, an active ingredient of Prempro, Premphase,

> Provera, and others, has been shown to interfere with the

> protective effects of

> estradiol against coronary vasospasm (Nature Medicine, March 1997,

> 3(3):324-327). Elsewhere I've read that progestins can cause

> depression and

> lots of other undesirable effects.

>

> These synthetic drugs are marketed in confusing ways so women

> think they're

> getting progesterone.

>

> It seems this marketing strategy is because in general only

> synthetic, unnatural

> drugs can be patented in the US, thus there's much more profit for

> pharmaceutical companies in making and promoting the synthetics.

> Sounds awfully

> cynical, but I don't know any other reason why the misinformation would be

> promulgated.

>

> Until a few years ago I myself didn't know the difference.

>

> The recent large study that's said to indicate that hormone

> replacement therapy

> is harmful was done with progestin(s), so AFAIK the study says

> little or nothing

> about the effects to be expected when older women replace

> hormones with natural,

> bioidentical hormones.

>

> For a good discussion of progestins vs. progesterone, see /What

> Your Doctor May

> Not Tell You About Menopause/ by R. Lee, M.D., 1996. I think there's

> another /What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About.../ book for

> younger women's

> concerns, too.

>

> Lynn

> dayrain@...

[Guest guest]

Provera doesn't contain any estrogen either - it's all progestin, I

believe. Neither does Premarin (not on the list below, but usually

used with Provera) - it's all estrogen analogs.

Iris

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn

For example, AFAIK none of the following (listed in alphabetic order)

contain

any progesterone at all:

Activella

Amen

Aygestin

CombiPatch

Cycrin

Curretab

FemHRT

Micronor

Nor-QD

Ortho-Prefest

Premphase

Prempro

Provera

[Guest guest]

No, this is probably not the progesterone/progestin issue, but is

typical of cyclical hormone treatment, i.e. the Premarin/Provera

dosing that emulates the menstrual cycle, and can occur with the

progestin or during the week when no hormone medications are taken.

The medications like Activella and Prempro, which are taken every day

and are not cyclical, usually don't cause this problem. However,

standard medical treatment usually tries to emulate the menstrual

cycle, at least at the earlier stages of treatment.

Iris

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn

CR Support Group

Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Female CR hunger during the estrus

cycle?

Francesca Skelton wrote on 1 June 2003:

Subject: Re: [ ] Female CR hunger during the estrus

cycle?

> When I was on HRT, I would get the full blown pre-menstrual nasties

just

like the real thing. This would kick in when I would add the

progesterone

(as opposed to the estrogen) to bring on the cycle.

Probably you weren't really taking progesterone, and this fact may

account for

the troubles you report!

[Guest guest]

I remember taking the " all in one " pill for a while. That was even worse.

It caused a horrible depression. I just don't do very well on hormones (or

if my body is going off them either like menopause). I think I would have

done better on diet and exercise (and maybe some of the recommended herbs

for menopause) especially in view of the latest findings on HRT.

on 6/1/2003 8:28 PM, oc9 at crsupport@... wrote:

> No, this is probably not the progesterone/progestin issue, but is

> typical of cyclical hormone treatment, i.e. the Premarin/Provera

> dosing that emulates the menstrual cycle, and can occur with the

> progestin or during the week when no hormone medications are taken.

> The medications like Activella and Prempro, which are taken every day

> and are not cyclical, usually don't cause this problem. However,

> standard medical treatment usually tries to emulate the menstrual

> cycle, at least at the earlier stages of treatment.

>

> Iris

[Guest guest]

Yes!