Re: FDA to release new food labels today

[Guest guest]

I read a friend's copy of " Know Your Fats " by Enig this past weekend.

Excellent book.

The short version is that trans fats are bad, but if you can ....read the

book.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]

Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:19 AM

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Subject: [ ] FDA to release new food labels today

So we'll soon know just how much trans fat is in the food in

question........

[Guest guest]

Isn't this one of the books that Anton has been touting?

on 7/9/2003 9:41 AM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote:

> I read a friend's copy of " Know Your Fats " by Enig this past weekend.

> Excellent book.

>

> The short version is that trans fats are bad, but if you can ....read the

> book.

>

> JR

[Guest guest]

I don't know.

I just read it at a friend's house and find it credible, and full of good

information.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]

Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:43 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] FDA to release new food labels today

Isn't this one of the books that Anton has been touting?

on 7/9/2003 9:41 AM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote:

> I read a friend's copy of " Know Your Fats " by Enig this past weekend.

> Excellent book.

>

> The short version is that trans fats are bad, but if you can ....read the

> book.

>

> JR

[Guest guest]

yes, i've recommended this book a few times. Enig has probably been the

most active scientist in the effort to expose the trans fat scandal, going

back a few decades now. she's responsible for much of accurate data we

have about trans fats, numbers which have largely been brushed under the

carpet by the government and food corporations, who are the ones with very

fat bank accounts thanks to the evil three (sugar, grains, and vegetable

oils) and the anti-animal fat campaign. she's also one of most active

proponents of coconut oil. she's also a contributing author to the epic

treatise " Nourishing Traditions " and a board member of the Weston A Price

Foundation...

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Francesca Skelton wrote:

> Isn't this one of the books that Anton has been touting?

>

>

> on 7/9/2003 9:41 AM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote:

>

> > I read a friend's copy of " Know Your Fats " by Enig this past weekend.

> > Excellent book.

> >

> > The short version is that trans fats are bad, but if you can ....read the

> > book.

> >

> > JR

that is a short version indeed, leaving out the more important points that

saturated fats were used traditionally in large quantities (without any of

the current crop of degenerative diseases, CHD, etc), and that PUFA's

oxidize easily, and that the processing involved in commercial oils is

deleterious, etc... there's a lot more to the book than the scoop on

trans fats.

that book has a lot of hard data and facts on a wide range of topics

relating to fats in the diet. it's much like a textbook/reference manual.

mike parker

[Guest guest]

I repeat... read the book, it's excellent. I only mentioned trans fats to

tie it to Francesca's original post which started this thread.

I bought an actual coconut yesterday which I'll be incorporating into my

diet. There's far too much good stuff in the book to capsulate. I consider

it a must read for anyone interested in nutrition.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Anton [mailto:bwp@...]

Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:33 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] FDA to release new food labels today

yes, i've recommended this book a few times. Enig has probably been the

most active scientist in the effort to expose the trans fat scandal, going

back a few decades now. she's responsible for much of accurate data we

have about trans fats, numbers which have largely been brushed under the

carpet by the government and food corporations, who are the ones with very

fat bank accounts thanks to the evil three (sugar, grains, and vegetable

oils) and the anti-animal fat campaign. she's also one of most active

proponents of coconut oil. she's also a contributing author to the epic

treatise " Nourishing Traditions " and a board member of the Weston A Price

Foundation...

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Francesca Skelton wrote:

> Isn't this one of the books that Anton has been touting?

>

>

> on 7/9/2003 9:41 AM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote:

>

> > I read a friend's copy of " Know Your Fats " by Enig this past

weekend.

> > Excellent book.

> >

> > The short version is that trans fats are bad, but if you can ....read

the

> > book.

> >

> > JR

that is a short version indeed, leaving out the more important points that

saturated fats were used traditionally in large quantities (without any of

the current crop of degenerative diseases, CHD, etc), and that PUFA's

oxidize easily, and that the processing involved in commercial oils is

deleterious, etc... there's a lot more to the book than the scoop on

trans fats.

that book has a lot of hard data and facts on a wide range of topics

relating to fats in the diet. it's much like a textbook/reference manual.

mike parker

[Guest guest]

thanks to Greg who alerted us to he benefits of Coconut oil quite a

while ago. Greg- wherever you are these days, thanks for all your wisdom

and knowledge.

on 7/9/2003 10:33 AM, Anton at bwp@... wrote:

> she's also one of most active

> proponents of coconut oil.

[Guest guest]

yes, that's where i first heard about it, on this list about a year and

half ago from Greg 's emails! that was long before i ever

heard of Enig, et al, and it seemed so exotic and obscure at the time, and

i could hardly believe such attention would be given to it, but

now i eat some coconut every day!

for , a quick tip on coconuts since you said you just bought one:

if you go to a Chinese, Vietnamese, or Thai grocery store, you may find

young coconuts, which are sold white on the outside with a pointy top.

these are much better than the old brown ones because the meat is soft and

gel-like inside and they have lots of precious coconut water. my set-up

is to poke a few holes with a cheap ice pick and let the water drip into a

bowl, and then i have a cheap $10 hatchet i use to crack it in half. you

can scoop out the meat with a spoon. i usually add some to my salad.

mike parker

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Francesca Skelton wrote:

> thanks to Greg who alerted us to he benefits of Coconut oil quite a

> while ago. Greg- wherever you are these days, thanks for all your wisdom

> and knowledge.

>

>

> on 7/9/2003 10:33 AM, Anton at bwp@... wrote:

>

> > she's also one of most active

> > proponents of coconut oil.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the tip but I'm afraid here in the middle of nowhere Mississippi

I don't have a Thai/Chinese/Viet grocery. We do have psycho-killers but

that's off topic.

I was thinking of adding some coconut meat to a CR friendly brownie recipe

(Sherm's Binging Brownie) that I've already added tomato (for lycopene) and

lecithin. I prefer whole foods to supplements and I'm not opposed to

engineering recipes to include good stuff painlessly. If the coconut works

in the brownie, I'll get a daily hit of lauric acid and it should taste good

too.....

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Anton [mailto:bwp@...]

Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:19 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] FDA to release new food labels today

yes, that's where i first heard about it, on this list about a year and

half ago from Greg 's emails! that was long before i ever

heard of Enig, et al, and it seemed so exotic and obscure at the time, and

i could hardly believe such attention would be given to it, but

now i eat some coconut every day!

for , a quick tip on coconuts since you said you just bought one:

if you go to a Chinese, Vietnamese, or Thai grocery store, you may find

young coconuts, which are sold white on the outside with a pointy top.

these are much better than the old brown ones because the meat is soft and

gel-like inside and they have lots of precious coconut water. my set-up

is to poke a few holes with a cheap ice pick and let the water drip into a

bowl, and then i have a cheap $10 hatchet i use to crack it in half. you

can scoop out the meat with a spoon. i usually add some to my salad.

mike parker

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Francesca Skelton wrote:

> thanks to Greg who alerted us to he benefits of Coconut oil quite a

> while ago. Greg- wherever you are these days, thanks for all your wisdom

> and knowledge.

>

>

> on 7/9/2003 10:33 AM, Anton at bwp@... wrote:

>

> > she's also one of most active

> > proponents of coconut oil.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

well, i use the dried grated stuff too and it's nice, but i think there's

probably an online source for young coconuts. i've never looked, because

i have ready access to dozens of asian grocery stores of various types.

one thing i'm looking for is green coconuts, younger than " young coconuts "

but i haven't found any yet. i hear they might have them in the Bronx or

Queens, but that's not especially convenient for me.

also, coconut is great for soup and sauces.

mike parker

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, john roberts wrote:

> Thanks for the tip but I'm afraid here in the middle of nowhere Mississippi

> I don't have a Thai/Chinese/Viet grocery. We do have psycho-killers but

> that's off topic.

>

> I was thinking of adding some coconut meat to a CR friendly brownie recipe

> (Sherm's Binging Brownie) that I've already added tomato (for lycopene) and

> lecithin. I prefer whole foods to supplements and I'm not opposed to

> engineering recipes to include good stuff painlessly. If the coconut works

> in the brownie, I'll get a daily hit of lauric acid and it should taste good

> too.....

>

> JR

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Anton [mailto:bwp@...]

> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:19 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] FDA to release new food labels today

>

>

> yes, that's where i first heard about it, on this list about a year and

> half ago from Greg 's emails! that was long before i ever

> heard of Enig, et al, and it seemed so exotic and obscure at the time, and

> i could hardly believe such attention would be given to it, but

> now i eat some coconut every day!

>

> for , a quick tip on coconuts since you said you just bought one:

> if you go to a Chinese, Vietnamese, or Thai grocery store, you may find

> young coconuts, which are sold white on the outside with a pointy top.

> these are much better than the old brown ones because the meat is soft and

> gel-like inside and they have lots of precious coconut water. my set-up

> is to poke a few holes with a cheap ice pick and let the water drip into a

> bowl, and then i have a cheap $10 hatchet i use to crack it in half. you

> can scoop out the meat with a spoon. i usually add some to my salad.

>

> mike parker

>

> On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Francesca Skelton wrote:

>

> > thanks to Greg who alerted us to he benefits of Coconut oil quite a

> > while ago. Greg- wherever you are these days, thanks for all your wisdom

> > and knowledge.

> >

> >

> > on 7/9/2003 10:33 AM, Anton at bwp@... wrote:

> >

> > > she's also one of most active

> > > proponents of coconut oil.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Nah, I got a real coconut, or as real as they come from Wal-Mart super

stores... Don't think coconuts grow on trees wrapped in cellophane with

barcode... but I expect I'll get to use my kitchen hammer (don't ask) to

retrieve the meat...

FWIW I just shook the little rascal and there is milk inside so it might not

be too bad. What's the deal with " young " , mine is brown and AFAIK mature.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Anton [mailto:bwp@...]

Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:53 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] FDA to release new food labels today

well, i use the dried grated stuff too and it's nice, but i think there's

probably an online source for young coconuts. i've never looked, because

i have ready access to dozens of asian grocery stores of various types.

one thing i'm looking for is green coconuts, younger than " young coconuts "

but i haven't found any yet. i hear they might have them in the Bronx or

Queens, but that's not especially convenient for me.

also, coconut is great for soup and sauces.

mike parker

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, john roberts wrote:

> Thanks for the tip but I'm afraid here in the middle of nowhere

Mississippi

> I don't have a Thai/Chinese/Viet grocery. We do have psycho-killers but

> that's off topic.

>

> I was thinking of adding some coconut meat to a CR friendly brownie recipe

> (Sherm's Binging Brownie) that I've already added tomato (for lycopene)

and

> lecithin. I prefer whole foods to supplements and I'm not opposed to

> engineering recipes to include good stuff painlessly. If the coconut works

> in the brownie, I'll get a daily hit of lauric acid and it should taste

good

> too.....

>

> JR

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Anton [mailto:bwp@...]

> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:19 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] FDA to release new food labels today

>

>

> yes, that's where i first heard about it, on this list about a year and

> half ago from Greg 's emails! that was long before i ever

> heard of Enig, et al, and it seemed so exotic and obscure at the time, and

> i could hardly believe such attention would be given to it, but

> now i eat some coconut every day!

>

> for , a quick tip on coconuts since you said you just bought one:

> if you go to a Chinese, Vietnamese, or Thai grocery store, you may find

> young coconuts, which are sold white on the outside with a pointy top.

> these are much better than the old brown ones because the meat is soft and

> gel-like inside and they have lots of precious coconut water. my set-up

> is to poke a few holes with a cheap ice pick and let the water drip into a

> bowl, and then i have a cheap $10 hatchet i use to crack it in half. you

> can scoop out the meat with a spoon. i usually add some to my salad.

>

> mike parker

>

> On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Francesca Skelton wrote:

>

> > thanks to Greg who alerted us to he benefits of Coconut oil quite

a

> > while ago. Greg- wherever you are these days, thanks for all your

wisdom

> > and knowledge.

> >

> >

> > on 7/9/2003 10:33 AM, Anton at bwp@... wrote:

> >

> > > she's also one of most active

> > > proponents of coconut oil.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I couldn't find how soon; does anyone know when we might begin seeing

this on the labels?

Francesca Skelton wrote:

>So we'll soon know just how much trans fat is in the food in

>question........

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

2006!

----- Original Message -----

From: April

Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:35 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] FDA to release new food labels today

I couldn't find how soon; does anyone know when we might begin seeing this on the labels? Francesca Skelton wrote:>So we'll soon know just how much trans fat is in the food in>question........>>>> >