Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 What our species evolved on is not necessarily the healthiest way to go. The critera for food before civilization was we ate what we could find/kill to eat; we didn't go to a supermarket and choose from a wide variety of healthy/desirable foods. If we " found " some berries we ate them. If we caught/killed a rabbit, that's what was for dinner. on 6/8/2003 1:28 PM, jwwright at jwwright@... wrote: > Hi , > Just a logic check - I looked up Enfamil AR, and it's about 50% sat fat. > However, pediatricians are recommending switching to 1 % fat or skim milk at 1 > year. > I haven't checked into this interesting issue myself, mainly because it's > only common sense to have at least 50 percent of fats be saturated, since > that's a basic feature of the animal foods our species evolved on, so it's > not like I would have to make any changes to my diet based on this > reassuring point. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 I agree, Francesca, Sorry I clipped too much of 's post. I think what they ate walking around, berries, eggs, whatever is probably not necessarily evidenced in campsites. I'm not convinced at all of the interpretations of archaeological finds, if they do in fact apply to our adapted bodies and hybridized foods. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Francesca Skelton Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [ ] what our species ate What our species evolved on is not necessarily the healthiest way to go.The critera for food before civilization was we ate what we could find/killto eat; we didn't go to a supermarket and choose from a wide variety ofhealthy/desirable foods. If we "found" some berries we ate them. If wecaught/killed a rabbit, that's what was for dinner.on 6/8/2003 1:28 PM, jwwright at jwwright@... wrote:> Hi ,> Just a logic check - I looked up Enfamil AR, and it's about 50% sat fat.> However, pediatricians are recommending switching to 1 % fat or skim milk at 1> year.> I haven't checked into this interesting issue myself, mainly because it's> only common sense to have at least 50 percent of fats be saturated, since> that's a basic feature of the animal foods our species evolved on, so it's> not like I would have to make any changes to my diet based on this> reassuring point.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 BTW, what did you think of the comment on sat fat needed to absorb Calcium? Could be a vitamin D issue. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Francesca Skelton Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [ ] what our species ate What our species evolved on is not necessarily the healthiest way to go.The critera for food before civilization was we ate what we could find/killto eat; we didn't go to a supermarket and choose from a wide variety ofhealthy/desirable foods. If we "found" some berries we ate them. If wecaught/killed a rabbit, that's what was for dinner. > I haven't checked into this interesting issue myself, mainly because it's> only common sense to have at least 50 percent of fats be saturated, since> that's a basic feature of the animal foods our species evolved on, so it's> not like I would have to make any changes to my diet based on this> reassuring point.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 I think the Paleos assume our bodies " evolved " eating certain foods and we do better on those foods. But prior to cultivation/farming/raising livestock it must have been mostly happenstance and luck as to whether you even found food and what you found - and we probably ate lots of weeds and grass when we couldn't anything more suitable. I would imagine during times of dire need and famine, some people probably ate poisonous plants (by mistake) and died. So it was a matter of what you chanced upon, and that was your diet. I'm sure it was also a function of where you were and what grew/lived there. on 6/8/2003 2:58 PM, jwwright at jwwright@... wrote: > I agree, Francesca, > Sorry I clipped too much of 's post. > I think what they ate walking around, berries, eggs, whatever is probably not > necessarily evidenced in campsites. I'm not convinced at all of the > interpretations of archaeological finds, if they do in fact apply to our > adapted bodies and hybridized foods. > > Regards. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Francesca Skelton > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:39 PM > Subject: Re: [ ] what our species ate > > > What our species evolved on is not necessarily the healthiest way to go. > The critera for food before civilization was we ate what we could find/kill > to eat; we didn't go to a supermarket and choose from a wide variety of > healthy/desirable foods. If we " found " some berries we ate them. If we > caught/killed a rabbit, that's what was for dinner. > > > on 6/8/2003 1:28 PM, jwwright at jwwright@... wrote: > >> Hi , >> Just a logic check - I looked up Enfamil AR, and it's about 50% sat fat. >> However, pediatricians are recommending switching to 1 % fat or skim milk at >> 1 >> year. > >> I haven't checked into this interesting issue myself, mainly because it's >> only common sense to have at least 50 percent of fats be saturated, since >> that's a basic feature of the animal foods our species evolved on, so it's >> not like I would have to make any changes to my diet based on this >> reassuring point. >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Francesca Skelton " <fskelton@...> Subject: Re: [ ] what our species ate > I think the Paleos assume our bodies " evolved " eating certain foods and we > do better on those foods. But prior to cultivation/farming/raising > livestock it must have been mostly happenstance and luck as to whether you > even found food and what you found - and we probably ate lots of weeds and > grass when we couldn't anything more suitable. Small point, but i wouldn't say entirely happenstance & luck. As with the other primates, the local environment supports a band of a certain size, and you have a daily feeding routine. You make your happenstance and luck, by looking and hunting, and ranging further, if you have to. > I would imagine during times > of dire need and famine, some people probably ate poisonous plants (by > mistake) and died Maybe in new environments. In your usual range, the least dull animals catch on over periods of time. ( I was thinking of a counter example, range cattle eating poisonous forage, but i dunno how to explain the nonlearning there.) Hue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 The premise that foods we evolved eating should be most compatible with our system is certainly logical. Of course one should use common sense when trying to apply this lesson, or any other assumption. I find remarkable how many dietary " advances " are later reversed with an " oops, never mind " . It's hard to think of any dietary shifts related to " civilization " that really are healthier (grains). The more I learn about nutrition the greater the amount that appears unknown. For that matter zeroing in on a contemporary population group that has better than average success (Okinawan), may not be that helpful if you don't share a common genetic makeup. I don't pretend to have the answer. The human body appears to be pretty tolerant of dietary abuse in the short term, and paleo man didn't routinely push 120+ years so the best diet for long term success appears to be an unknown. Figure out what you are most likely to die from (study your family graveyard), and adjust your behavior to best mitigate the known shortcomings in your genome. Only after you dodge that/those bullets, should you worry about pushing the envelope. JR PS: Consider filling out an organ donor card JIC you die young and pretty. -----Original Message----- From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [ ] what our species ate What our species evolved on is not necessarily the healthiest way to go. The critera for food before civilization was we ate what we could find/kill to eat; we didn't go to a supermarket and choose from a wide variety of healthy/desirable foods. If we " found " some berries we ate them. If we caught/killed a rabbit, that's what was for dinner. on 6/8/2003 1:28 PM, jwwright at jwwright@... wrote: > Hi , > Just a logic check - I looked up Enfamil AR, and it's about 50% sat fat. > However, pediatricians are recommending switching to 1 % fat or skim milk at 1 > year. > I haven't checked into this interesting issue myself, mainly because it's > only common sense to have at least 50 percent of fats be saturated, since > that's a basic feature of the animal foods our species evolved on, so it's > not like I would have to make any changes to my diet based on this > reassuring point. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Hue wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Francesca Skelton " <fskelton@...> > Subject: Re: [ ] what our species ate > > > > I think the Paleos assume our bodies " evolved " eating certain foods and we > > do better on those foods. But prior to cultivation/farming/raising > > livestock it must have been mostly happenstance and luck as to whether you > > even found food and what you found - and we probably ate lots of weeds and > > grass when we couldn't anything more suitable. > > Small point, but i wouldn't say entirely happenstance & luck. > As with the other primates, the local environment supports a > band of a certain size, and you have a daily feeding routine. > You make your happenstance and luck, by looking and hunting, > and ranging further, if you have to. BIG point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Francesca Skelton wrote: > What our species evolved on is not necessarily the healthiest way to go. > The critera for food before civilization was we ate what we could find/kill > to eat; we didn't go to a supermarket and choose from a wide variety of > healthy/desirable foods. If we " found " some berries we ate them. If we > caught/killed a rabbit, that's what was for dinner. I don't know of too many healthy/desirable foods found in supermarkets. I would say the burden of proof lies with those who choose to consume substances that were not present during the course of human evolution and may or may not be compatible with human physiology. If you want to gamble with your health, then good luck. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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