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>synergistically. All too often, physicians just throw a bottle of

>pills at someone without really finding out if there are any

>underlying problems. HMO's often schedule one patient every 15 to

>20 minutes which doesn't give a doctor time to question someone who

>comes in with the statement, " I feel depressed. "

we live in a capitalist society, one that bows down to Greed, thus such is

accepted as " good medicine " because profit sets the standard, profit makes

the rules...and we (most) accept it...

rather shameful, but evidently few feel it, shame and the like...we allow

corporations to use the land as testing grounds for " bioengineered "

crops/seeds in the name of " feeding the hungry " when the bottom line is,

well, the bottom line (money honey)...we allow universities to become

pawns of corporate sponserships, gifts, grants, etc. shake with fear that

findings/studies/experiements may not jive with what Brother wants, thus

that grant may go to someone else...we cry out for more power! more energy!

to run our 18 foot long, 4x4s - one for the Mrs, one for the Mr. - and are

willing to destroy all that lie in our path to excess...

research, science, sports...it all becomes blurred because someone is

paying the bill and few, very few are willing to look their masters in eye

and tell them they are out of line, that they are wrong...and the children

watch, and learn...

just an observation...probably out of place, but i usually am...

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Don wrote,

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>rather shameful, but evidently few feel it, shame and the like...we allow

>corporations to use the land as testing grounds for " bioengineered "

>crops/seeds in the name of " feeding the hungry " when the bottom line is,

>well, the bottom line (money honey)...we allow universities to become

>pawns of corporate sponserships, gifts, grants, etc. shake with fear that

>findings/studies/experiements may not jive with what Brother wants, thus

>that grant may go to someone else...we cry out for more power! more energy!

>to run our 18 foot long, 4x4s - one for the Mrs, one for the Mr. - and are

>willing to destroy all that lie in our path to excess...

>

>research, science, sports...it all becomes blurred because someone is

>paying the bill and few, very few are willing to look their masters in eye

>and tell them they are out of line, that they are wrong...and the children

>watch, and learn...

>

>just an observation...probably out of place, but i usually am...

Not saying you are totally out of place Don, but if bio-engineering can

reduce our need for chemicals and increase yield, I really don't see a

problem. As long as it doesn't affect the taste of the Tim Horton's

blueberry fritter...

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VoodooChile <raelsixty4@e...> wrote :

" ..rather shameful, but evidently few feel it, shame and the like...we allow

corporations to use the land as testing grounds for " bioengineered "

crops/seeds in the name of " feeding the hungry " when the bottom line is,

well, the bottom line (money honey)...

If firms were unable to profit from their behaviour, then where is the incentive

to do anything at all? Who will fund R & D? You?

Sure this is not a perfect world. 15 mins may not be enough to treat a depressed

patient, but blaming the all the ills of the world on capitalism is unhelpful,

especially given that the socialist system has demonstrably failed. Perhaps we

should devolve back to feudalism?

Cheers,

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Mavromatis

Department of Economics

Monash University

AUSTRALIA

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As medical science

advances and

> lifespan increases, the age of onset will no doubt rise as well.

>

I have read quite a number of articles mentioning the growing number

of depression among children as well.

Noemi Lee, PT

London, UK

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I'm curious: is depression more prevalent than it was throughout history?

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> Coincidentally depression seems to be big in the news tonight. One

> statistic on the news: depression is the #1 cause of disability,

not only

> in the U.S. but throughout the world. The numbers are staggering

with one

> in 6 people in the U.S. affected. Men do not always recognize the

symptoms

> and often don't seek help. This results in record numbers of male

suicides

> due to depression in the U.S.

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" If you're out of a job, and

having trouble getting another, what then? "

I have no idea of how this would be put into application but the vast

majority of people have to learn to be more 'in touch' with themselves

and have a more positive outlook. I know that even in the worst

circumstances I would never let myself get depressed: life's too damn

short! That isn't to say people should go walking around singing while

their financial situation is hell, simply that putting things into

perspective might help.

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2 years ago I almost ended my own life from depression, should that

put in perspective for you.

I agree that depression is a disease and is of chemical nature. But in

essence, so is everything else. I guess I don't view the world as a

purely deterministic thing. I'd like to think we all have control of

ourselves. If not alcholism, pedophilia and virtually everything else

could be rationalized through scientific explanations.

Just my 2C.

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My point is that it seems rather artificial to draw the line there.

Should we draw the line there simply because we're sympathetic to

people with depression? The underlying phenomenon is the same, ie:

their behavior, apparantly, cannot be controlled.

Analagous to this is the current obesity 'epidemic' in the western

world. Is this also beyond people's control? Are their genes

overpowering their will power? In some extremely rare cases I'd agree

that obesity cannot be effectively prevented, but in most cases it

boils down to lack of will power.

I can't say to what extent this is true of people with depression but

my intuition is that it is the case with most people. I know that when

I was depressed it was actually painful for me to smile. One day

someone told me I had to get my act together and this was the only

life I had and that's it. Previous to that I was continually babied

which thoroughly made it worse. It shook something within me and I

haven't looked back since then. Maybe I'm making the flawed assumption

that others will react this way; I don't know.

Having basic self esteem and striving to achieve goals is a good way

to maintain mental health at its peak.

Again, JMHO.

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