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I liked the reference to Newman's "oreo" which is an excellent cookie. If they just find a way to make it with wheat.

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Subject: [ ] lawsuit over trans- fatty acids

I heard on the news this am that there's a consumer group suing Kraft forusing trans-fatty acids in their Oreo cookies and then marketing tochildren. Is this the start of something big? They compared Kraft to thecigarette companies marketing to young people.

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There have been a number food related of suits, recently one against

Mcs for making some teenagers fat, which was dismissed. I found a

related statistic interesting. Modern teenagers eat within 1% the same

calories as previous generations.... it's their physical activity level

that's changed (game boys instead of games).

IMO this is just the combination of two trends... first the propensity to

sue... If the only tool in your kit is a hammer, everything looks like a

nail. The second is avoidance of personal responsibility.

I suspect the increasing health care load from a majority population that is

overweight with some 30% clinically obese will motivate gov't and health

insurer's to take some appropriate action... hopefully education first

(warning labels on candy bars?), and when that doesn't work maybe taxing

calories.... Since the real problem is that calories are too cheap. Add a

sin tax to empty calories, just like cigarettes and alcohol. The public cost

from abuse is similar so why not apply some economic leverage?

JR

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From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]

Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:26 AM

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Subject: [ ] lawsuit over trans- fatty acids

I heard on the news this am that there's a consumer group suing Kraft for

using trans-fatty acids in their Oreo cookies and then marketing to

children. Is this the start of something big? They compared Kraft to the

cigarette companies marketing to young people.

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I have heard that is being considered in the U.S.

on 5/13/2003 11:58 AM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote:

> Add a

> sin tax to empty calories, just like cigarettes and alcohol.

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I have 2 gsons that spend a great deal of time with computer games and they're both skinny - it's inherited - we're all hyper and we're all beautiful (ha). It's not just food and exercise. That aspect means that the general public has a health problem - not sueable, IMO. But I do think the food industry could take to heart something that has been known since 1970 - the badness of transfats. Continuing to use them is simply ignorant.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:58 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] lawsuit over trans- fatty acids

There have been a number food related of suits, recently one againstMcs for making some teenagers fat, which was dismissed. I found arelated statistic interesting. Modern teenagers eat within 1% the samecalories as previous generations.... it's their physical activity levelthat's changed (game boys instead of games).IMO this is just the combination of two trends... first the propensity tosue... If the only tool in your kit is a hammer, everything looks like anail. The second is avoidance of personal responsibility.I suspect the increasing health care load from a majority population that isoverweight with some 30% clinically obese will motivate gov't and healthinsurer's to take some appropriate action... hopefully education first(warning labels on candy bars?), and when that doesn't work maybe taxingcalories.... Since the real problem is that calories are too cheap. Add asin tax to empty calories, just like cigarettes and alcohol. The public costfrom abuse is similar so why not apply some economic leverage?JR

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> There have been a number food related of suits, recently one

against

> Mcs for making some teenagers fat, which was dismissed. I

found a

> related statistic interesting. Modern teenagers eat within 1% the

same

> calories as previous generations.... it's their physical activity

level

> that's changed (game boys instead of games).

PubMed http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi currently

yields 816 items (not all with abstracts) for the search string:

(obesity exercise) AND (childhood OR children). A skim down just the

first 2 pages provides a variety of sources with somewhat differing

study results. However, in just the few I did read, inactivity is a

definite contributor to childhood obesity; one showed correlation

with the amount of TV watching but not with computer usage.

>

> IMO this is just the combination of two trends... first the

propensity to

> sue... If the only tool in your kit is a hammer, everything looks

like a

> nail. The second is avoidance of personal responsibility.

Both these statements are quite true.

The legal system has deteriorated considerably in just the last

couple of decades in the US. It was not that many years ago that a

jury in a civil matter would have to be convinced that a clear

injury and clear cause were present and that personal responsibility

had been exercised by the injured party. These requirements have

rapidly evaporated from the tort system in this country. A good

article on this very subject - with the Oreo cookie suit preparation

as one example - is today's offering from mises.org

http://www.mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=1227

Lack of individual personal responsibility for one's actions are

prevalent in all areas of our society, fostered and encouraged by

the government in all its many forms with its hundreds of agencies

and thousands of laws and directives (expand that to thousands and

millions if one considers government at *all* levels throughout this

country). It is not uncommon for some of these to be attempts to

undo the damage being done by others - it is a mass of tentacles

strangling the very fiber of individuals, and therefore society.

>

> I suspect the increasing health care load from a majority

population that is

> overweight with some 30% clinically obese will motivate gov't and

health

> insurer's to take some appropriate action... hopefully education

first

> (warning labels on candy bars?), and when that doesn't work maybe

taxing

> calories.... Since the real problem is that calories are too

cheap. Add a

> sin tax to empty calories, just like cigarettes and alcohol. The

public cost

> from abuse is similar so why not apply some economic leverage?

Such a " solution " is just another tenatacle on the monster of

government, rather than letting individuals (adults) be responsible

for their actions - *all* of them. The initiation of force or fraud

is all that should be proscribed; the rest of the actions taken by

government are those that could be performed by any individual or

group. It would then be up to individuals to purchase these services

based on their own evaluations of what is in their own overall best

interest and/or to use the unsolicited opinions of some non-coercive

group. The fact that there would be obese people - or practioners

of any risky actions, etc. - would have no effect on anyone but the

persons themselves and those who chose to associate with them. (Any

harm these individuals might directly cause others would be a

separate issue and for which the violating individual would be

responsible.) Others would not be forced to support them with the

programs of agencies funded by expropriated money - taxes. Of

course, any would be free to donate time and/or money as they freely

chose.

As it is now, self-responsibility is at an all time low as a result,

I contend, from the very " solution " that has caused the problem -

evasion of reality.

>

> JR

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