Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 Re: (no subject) All those cholesterol lowering drugs are dangerous. What a sham! If you need to lower cholesterol, castor oil packs over the liver will do it with zero side effects. I wish everyone knew how horrid it is that the big drug companies are making billions of dollars when more often than not, there is a safe, easy, inexpensive solution. Betsy Robin wrote: Well this drug is used to lower ones cholesterol, but.....the side effects are horrid, and you have to have blood taken every other month or some docs say once every 6 months to monitor your liver.... in other words it can reak havoc on ones liver.. and if you have had any liver problems at all this drug or any like it are not for you.. Milk Thistle is a great alternative.. taken in high dosages in a tinture ..... takes longer to work but.. no side effects Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 In a message dated 3/19/2002 5:23:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, ruthful@... writes: > where do you find citrus pectin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 I have also read, from Dr. , that about 3 grams of citrus pectin a day will completely clear your artieris of plaque. As I recall it justs takes a few months. Donna ----- Original Message ----- ----- Original Message ----- All those cholesterol lowering drugs are dangerous. What a sham! If you need to lower cholesterol, castor oil packs over the liver will do it with zero side effects. I wish everyone knew how horrid it is that the big drug companies are making billions of dollars when more often than not, there is a safe, easy, inexpensive solution. Betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 As was pointed out to me the other day---castor oil on the skin does have a side effect!--it may activate bowel activity. :-) I find myself in that .1% group of side effects from a drug that I took 15 years ago!! Please look at all the side effects and decide if you can live with even the remotest one.---or in this case NOT Along with castor oil packs I've heard that Red Yeast Rice is good for lowering cholesterol. Some of the information I read indicates that high cholesterol may be associated with insulin levels. The book Sugar Busters is a good read, it explains why liver makes cholesterol and why the body needs it. Elaine > Well this drug is used to lower ones cholesterol, but.....the side effects > are horrid, and you have to have blood taken every other month or some docs > say once every 6 months to monitor your liver.... in other words it can reak > havoc on ones liver.. and if you have had any liver problems at all this > drug > or any like it are not for you.. > Milk Thistle is a great alternative.. taken in high dosages in a tinture > .... > takes longer to work but.. no side effects > Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Below is an interesting quote from the fats and oil test under " Health and Wellness Information " at http://www.piccadillybooks.com/ . -- Helge Our body regulates the amount of cholesterol it produces. It sets a point at which it is happy with and tries to maintain that level. If we reduce the consumption of fats in our diet the liver produces more, if we increase our fat intake the liver produces less. This is the reason why dietary approaches to controlling blood cholesterol (even reducing total fat intake to only 20 percent of total calories) have only minor effects. Very low fat diets (10 percent of total calories or less) and cholesterol-lowering drugs affect the normal function of the liver inhibiting its ability to produce cholesterol. >All those cholesterol lowering drugs are dangerous. What a sham! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Supposedly in healthfood stores (and in the rinds of lemons and other citrus fruits in less concentrated form). hg >where do you find citrus pectin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Well, you are both right, but in both of these comments there was no mention of the differences in fats and how they effect the production of cholesterol. The good cholesterol, HDL (High Density Lipoprotein) is produced by the liver when it gets the Essential Fatty Acids it needs to do so, and is obtained by consuming fats that are essential. It also produces the LDL (Low Density Lipoproteins), too, but in balance with the bodies need for both when it isn't burdened with an intake of fats that are not nutritious to the liver's needs. Those types of fats are, as noted by Donna, margarines or a solidified vegetable fat like Crisco oil. However, it's possible to get a vegetable oil that is good to use, but the next problem is destroying it by too much heat in the cooking process. Exercise, Fiber, and Fats work together to control the cholesterol levels. The exercise helps the body to use the fats that have accumulated and the intake of the right fats helps the liver to produce the HDL cholesterol in greater abundance to help in the removal of grease, other fats, and LDL from the bloodstream. This in turn helps to reduce the amount of the LDL readings that most people are in need who are suffering with heart trouble or other LDL issues. We often hear that a diet high in fiber is known to help in the reduction of LDL cholesterol. However, what they fail to explain is that this is because it acts as a medium for the bile the liver produces to get the LDL cholesterol out of the body. Bile is made of bile salts, cholesterol, bile pigments, taurine, lecithin, lipids and electrolytes. (The Liver Cleansing Diet - page 39). So, what we want to do is make sure our diets have a sufficient amount of fiber, soluble and insoluble, as well as the right type of fat (Essential Fatty Acids) intake to get the liver functioning to help in emulsifying and removing the fats that have accumulated from years of misuse of our bodies from eating the non-nutritious fats. The HDL cholesterol along with an intake of soluble and insoluble fiber is just a couple of the things the body needs to get the heart and liver working at an optimal level. Dale >>>>You bet, Helge. The most important thing for keeping cholesterol at happy levels, is fiber. It has nothing to do with fats. Except, of course, man made fats like crisco or margarine, But I would hope that no one on this list is eating those anyway. Donna ----- Original Message ----- Below is an interesting quote from the fats and oil test under " Health and Wellness Information " at http://www.piccadillybooks.com/ . -- Helge Our body regulates the amount of cholesterol it produces. It sets a point at which it is happy with and tries to maintain that level. If we reduce the consumption of fats in our diet the liver produces more, if we increase our fat intake the liver produces less. This is the reason why dietary approaches to controlling blood cholesterol (even reducing total fat intake to only 20 percent of total calories) have only minor effects. Very low fat diets (10 percent of total calories or less) and cholesterol-lowering drugs affect the normal function of the liver inhibiting its ability to produce cholesterol.<<<<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 " bandages are clearly correlated with wounds. " So, what you're telling me is that cholesterol is to heart disease as bandages are to wounds? With all due respect the point was cute and flippant, but incorrect. It is a false way to question the concept of correlation between cholesterol and heart disease. On the analogies section of an IQ test, you'd lose a point. Science relies heavily on correlative statistics to establish mechanistic/stochastic relationships between experimentally measured/observed phenomena. Without getting into mathematical detail, in cardiology, broad statistical studies of large populations have been used to establish putative relationships between observed phenomena, thus allowing the formulation of hypotheses, which in turn, can drive laboratory experiments to better understand molecular CV biology, physiology and pathology. Walford appreciates this approach, as do all good scientists. My point about science being self correcting is particularly pertinent to the relatively recent appreciation of homocysteine's importance in CV disease. This point had been denied or, at least ignored, by mainstream scientists for years. No conspiracy here, just persistent neglect that was eventually corrected. Analogous to this is Stanley Prusiner's resurrection (and Nobel Prize) for his discovery of prions, the existence of which was against orthodoxy. But just because a theory is against orthodoxy doesn't mean it is correct (it does make it attractive to conspiracy t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, thin_man02 wrote: > >From " Beyond the 120-Year Diet " -- > > " A $150 million tracking study supported by the National Heart, Lung > and Blood Institute established that lowering cholesterol in blood > reduces coronary risks. " p. 107 > > In the Framingham study, lower blood cholesterol levels were > associated with lower risk of heart disease. > > " Keep yours [cholesterol] below 180 and you very likely will never > have a heart attack. Below 150, you almost certainly will not. " p. > 108 > > We could go to the PubMed search engine of Medline and drag up the > original references relating to cholesterol and heart disease. But > there are thousands of them, it's Saturday, the sun is out, and after > all the rain we've had in these parts, fresh air beckons. > > Anyway, given a choice between the advice of Drs. Walford and Ravnskov > (2003 awardee of The Weston A. Price Foundation!), I'll stick with > Walford, thank you very much. if you've actually READ Ravnskov you wouldn't have written this post. judge for yourself. (and let's see, whose specialty is this topic, and who's probably read hundreds more journal articles and spent thousands more hours studying this topic, Ravnskov or Walford? hmm.) > ps. By the way, if one eats raw meat, one is at greater risk of > bacterial infection (salmonella, etc.), trichinosis, and various > parasites. Try cooking meat--it's really good that way. Primitive > man discovered this way before he was so terribly corrupted by > agriculture, and succumbed to b i have no interest in discussing or defending raw meat, as there are other forums and sources of information and other people with much more knowledge and experience than myself. the only comment i should make is that raw meat has been a basic food for our species from the beginning and large numbers of people eat it on a regular basis without any problems, especially not from bacterial " infections " , which are simply all in a day's work for a good immune system. i've eaten raw meat sitting in my fridge for over a month that must have an awful lot of bacteria in it, especially when it's grey and a little slimey, and i haven't had the slightest response. try not cooking meat--it's really good that way. mike parker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 For any of you interested in reading up on this you can order this book. I ordered this for my dad as he's been on cholesterol lowering meds. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0977207900/ref=oss_product Be well adrcoco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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