Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 I know there are many pro's and con's when it comes to this subject but I guess I was wondering that if I decided not to supplement with creatine.. could I get equivalent amount eating meat? yes? no? As far as quantity how much meat consumption are we talking about? jen ----- Original Message ----- From: " Evely " <je@...> < > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: Creatine > Does anyone here take creatine for sports training? > I was considering taking but someone told me it breaks down the kidneys and > liver and causes electrolyte imbalance > > Advice please > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 Thank you Donna for your thoughts ~I know isolated is probably not the best thing but the reason I had even considered it to begin with is that I read an article on osteoporosis and it said creatine is a very good thing because it increases the fluid inside the muscle cells~ with increased strength could then exercise harder and longer thus putting stress on bones even more and increasing bone mass even more etc. BTW I am 27 years old with osteo ----- Original Message ----- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> < > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:31 PM Subject: Re: Creatine > Hi Jen, > > I took it years ago and found it to not be all it was cracked up to be. And over the years I have come to the belief that people don't know as much as they think they do and when they set about to isolate ingredients instead of using whole products, you are asking for trouble. What they don't know about how it affects the body long term can be a real problem. Over and over I have seen new info come out about isolated products that say, okay now we know that's not a good plan. > > If you are looking for energy increase and an increase in muscle mass from a whole foods product, rather than an ioslated ingredient, I would suggest pure organic colostrum. > > With cfs I was unable to exercise and my calf musles became mostly non existent. Then I found colostrum and after just a few months of daily intake without exercise I had fabulous calf muscles. Many other benefits, of course, but those are other topics. > > Blessings > Donna > http://www.excellentthings.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evely > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:42 AM > Subject: Creatine > > > Does anyone here take creatine for sports training? > I was considering taking but someone told me it breaks down the kidneys and > liver and causes electrolyte imbalance > > Advice please > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 I am taking natural progest daily Then I read " progesterone creams reconsidered " from WAP site http://www.westonaprice.org/women/natural_protection.html man... it's just so hard to know what to do. Whenever you think you are doing the right thing along comes something else that contraindicates it :/ ----- Original Message ----- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> < > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:03 AM Subject: Re: Creatine > Hi . Yes, I know the basic science behind it. I just didn't get the boost they said I would. That doens't mean that you wouldn't. > > But, for osteoporosis, progesterone is a major player. And green foods like supergreens. I think I posted here that some people are getting as much as 11% increase in bone mass over a year. Seems remarkable to me. I am taking some that a friend sent and I have noticed that I seem to need less coral calcium now. ??? Time will tell. > > Blessings > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evely > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > Thank you Donna for your thoughts > ~I know isolated is probably not the best thing but the reason I had even > considered it to begin with is that I read an article on osteoporosis and it > said creatine is a very good thing because it increases the fluid inside the > muscle cells~ with increased strength could then exercise harder and longer > thus putting stress on bones even more and increasing bone mass even more > etc. > > BTW I am 27 years old with osteo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> > < > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > > Hi Jen, > > > > I took it years ago and found it to not be all it was cracked up to be. > And over the years I have come to the belief that people don't know as much > as they think they do and when they set about to isolate ingredients instead > of using whole products, you are asking for trouble. What they don't know > about how it affects the body long term can be a real problem. Over and > over I have seen new info come out about isolated products that say, okay > now we know that's not a good plan. > > > > If you are looking for energy increase and an increase in muscle mass from > a whole foods product, rather than an ioslated ingredient, I would suggest > pure organic colostrum. > > > > With cfs I was unable to exercise and my calf musles became mostly non > existent. Then I found colostrum and after just a few months of daily > intake without exercise I had fabulous calf muscles. Many other benefits, > of course, but those are other topics. > > > > Blessings > > Donna > > http://www.excellentthings.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Evely > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:42 AM > > Subject: Creatine > > > > > > Does anyone here take creatine for sports training? > > I was considering taking but someone told me it breaks down the kidneys > and > > liver and causes electrolyte imbalance > > > > Advice please > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 Hi Jen, I took it years ago and found it to not be all it was cracked up to be. And over the years I have come to the belief that people don't know as much as they think they do and when they set about to isolate ingredients instead of using whole products, you are asking for trouble. What they don't know about how it affects the body long term can be a real problem. Over and over I have seen new info come out about isolated products that say, okay now we know that's not a good plan. If you are looking for energy increase and an increase in muscle mass from a whole foods product, rather than an ioslated ingredient, I would suggest pure organic colostrum. With cfs I was unable to exercise and my calf musles became mostly non existent. Then I found colostrum and after just a few months of daily intake without exercise I had fabulous calf muscles. Many other benefits, of course, but those are other topics. Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Evely Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: Creatine Does anyone here take creatine for sports training? I was considering taking but someone told me it breaks down the kidneys and liver and causes electrolyte imbalance Advice please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 Hi . Yes, I know the basic science behind it. I just didn't get the boost they said I would. That doens't mean that you wouldn't. But, for osteoporosis, progesterone is a major player. And green foods like supergreens. I think I posted here that some people are getting as much as 11% increase in bone mass over a year. Seems remarkable to me. I am taking some that a friend sent and I have noticed that I seem to need less coral calcium now. ??? Time will tell. Blessings Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: Evely Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Creatine Thank you Donna for your thoughts ~I know isolated is probably not the best thing but the reason I had even considered it to begin with is that I read an article on osteoporosis and it said creatine is a very good thing because it increases the fluid inside the muscle cells~ with increased strength could then exercise harder and longer thus putting stress on bones even more and increasing bone mass even more etc. BTW I am 27 years old with osteo ----- Original Message ----- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> < > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:31 PM Subject: Re: Creatine > Hi Jen, > > I took it years ago and found it to not be all it was cracked up to be. And over the years I have come to the belief that people don't know as much as they think they do and when they set about to isolate ingredients instead of using whole products, you are asking for trouble. What they don't know about how it affects the body long term can be a real problem. Over and over I have seen new info come out about isolated products that say, okay now we know that's not a good plan. > > If you are looking for energy increase and an increase in muscle mass from a whole foods product, rather than an ioslated ingredient, I would suggest pure organic colostrum. > > With cfs I was unable to exercise and my calf musles became mostly non existent. Then I found colostrum and after just a few months of daily intake without exercise I had fabulous calf muscles. Many other benefits, of course, but those are other topics. > > Blessings > Donna > http://www.excellentthings.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evely > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:42 AM > Subject: Creatine > > > Does anyone here take creatine for sports training? > I was considering taking but someone told me it breaks down the kidneys and > liver and causes electrolyte imbalance > > Advice please > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 Hi . I hear ya. You might consider looking up Ray Peats site. He has an oral progesterone that doesn't build up in the system. I did progesterone cream " Purgest " (doesn't have any artificial chemicals in it) for several years at a very low dose and didn't notice anything negative. I do know women who use large amounts many times a day and don't take a break. I don't think that is wise. I always pray and ask for wisdom with these things and it works for me. Another factor for many women is removing all the things in their home that increase estrogen. Scented candles, air fragrances, plastic. When you make your enviroment as natural as you can you will have less high estrogen and less bone loss. I have a friend who has had horrific hot flashes. Then she went on vacation in the woods for a week and didn't have one hot flash. A light bulb moment. She quit her job at Napa (petroleum products are major offenders) and her flashed went down by half. She has reduced fake stuff in home and reduced them further but not completely. Blessings Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: Evely Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Creatine I am taking natural progest daily Then I read " progesterone creams reconsidered " from WAP site http://www.westonaprice.org/women/natural_protection.html man... it's just so hard to know what to do. Whenever you think you are doing the right thing along comes something else that contraindicates it :/ ----- Original Message ----- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> < > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:03 AM Subject: Re: Creatine > Hi . Yes, I know the basic science behind it. I just didn't get the boost they said I would. That doens't mean that you wouldn't. > > But, for osteoporosis, progesterone is a major player. And green foods like supergreens. I think I posted here that some people are getting as much as 11% increase in bone mass over a year. Seems remarkable to me. I am taking some that a friend sent and I have noticed that I seem to need less coral calcium now. ??? Time will tell. > > Blessings > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evely > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > Thank you Donna for your thoughts > ~I know isolated is probably not the best thing but the reason I had even > considered it to begin with is that I read an article on osteoporosis and it > said creatine is a very good thing because it increases the fluid inside the > muscle cells~ with increased strength could then exercise harder and longer > thus putting stress on bones even more and increasing bone mass even more > etc. > > BTW I am 27 years old with osteo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> > < > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > > Hi Jen, > > > > I took it years ago and found it to not be all it was cracked up to be. > And over the years I have come to the belief that people don't know as much > as they think they do and when they set about to isolate ingredients instead > of using whole products, you are asking for trouble. What they don't know > about how it affects the body long term can be a real problem. Over and > over I have seen new info come out about isolated products that say, okay > now we know that's not a good plan. > > > > If you are looking for energy increase and an increase in muscle mass from > a whole foods product, rather than an ioslated ingredient, I would suggest > pure organic colostrum. > > > > With cfs I was unable to exercise and my calf musles became mostly non > existent. Then I found colostrum and after just a few months of daily > intake without exercise I had fabulous calf muscles. Many other benefits, > of course, but those are other topics. > > > > Blessings > > Donna > > http://www.excellentthings.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Evely > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:42 AM > > Subject: Creatine > > > > > > Does anyone here take creatine for sports training? > > I was considering taking but someone told me it breaks down the kidneys > and > > liver and causes electrolyte imbalance > > > > Advice please > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Hi Ria, Most athletes seem to think it's best to split your daily dosage, taking 1/2 before and 1/2 after your workout. (I take 3 grams total daily...gotta figure if 5 grams is enough for a big bodybuilder, little old me probably needs a lot less.) This blurb from Bill Grant might help explain why: "Creatine acts to promote energy by providing a phosphate molecule, which "recirculates" ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate). ATP, in turn, is the basic, most elemental source of energy for cellular and muscular function. However, ATP is used up in 6-10 seconds, so creatine, stored as creatine phosphate in muscles, maintains the cell's energy system. Since ATP powers muscle function, the increased muscular efficiency that results from creatine usage increases muscle strength by optimizing energy reactions in muscle tissue. The recovery aspect comes into play because after exercise, energy is needed to help rebuild damaged muscle." ----- Original Message ----- From: riabrownlow Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:45 AM Subject: [ ] Creatine How do you take creatine and when? I am getting conflicting info on this. 5 grams with liquidcarbs, but not citrus? How many carbs to a dose?One hour before workingout? Or is it after working out, in my proteindrink? Full dose on workout days, and half doseother days? Or full dose every day?Thanks for the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 I've used creatine in the past to help break through plateaus in weight training... I've had success using a fraction of the recommended dose (placebo effect?). I'm not sure why you are taking creatine but you might want to experiment with lighter dosing... I have heard anecdotal reports of cramping from serious weight lifters (unlike me). I've never personally experienced a problem. I don't know how important when you take it is, the instructions I've seen suggests that it takes a few days to build up in your body. JR -----Original Message-----From: Suzanne Cart [mailto:massuz@...]Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Creatine Hi Ria, Most athletes seem to think it's best to split your daily dosage, taking 1/2 before and 1/2 after your workout. (I take 3 grams total daily...gotta figure if 5 grams is enough for a big bodybuilder, little old me probably needs a lot less.) This blurb from Bill Grant might help explain why: "Creatine acts to promote energy by providing a phosphate molecule, which "recirculates" ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate). ATP, in turn, is the basic, most elemental source of energy for cellular and muscular function. However, ATP is used up in 6-10 seconds, so creatine, stored as creatine phosphate in muscles, maintains the cell's energy system. Since ATP powers muscle function, the increased muscular efficiency that results from creatine usage increases muscle strength by optimizing energy reactions in muscle tissue. The recovery aspect comes into play because after exercise, energy is needed to help rebuild damaged muscle." ----- Original Message ----- From: riabrownlow Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:45 AM Subject: [ ] Creatine How do you take creatine and when? I am getting conflicting info on this. 5 grams with liquidcarbs, but not citrus? How many carbs to a dose?One hour before workingout? Or is it after working out, in my proteindrink? Full dose on workout days, and half doseother days? Or full dose every day?Thanks for the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 You're right, . If you're eating red meat, you don't need to take it, unless you want to enhance your strength training...or maybe your brain power. http://sciencenews.org/20030816/fob4.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 I still have some in my refrigerator from past use in weight training... haven't needed it with my current higher volume routine. FWIW the brainpower study was done on vegetarians, so it may have been a simple deficiency issue (IMO needs more study before making broad conclusions). I know it works for muscular strength enhancement but nothing is free and it increase clearance load on kidney etc. I wouldn't consider chronic supplementation unless perhaps eating a diet deficient in it, and then you probably don't need very much. JR -----Original Message-----From: Suzanne Cart [mailto:massuz@...]Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:51 PMCR Support GroupSubject: [ ] Creatine You're right, . If you're eating red meat, you don't need to take it, unless you want to enhance your strength training...or maybe your brain power. http://sciencenews.org/20030816/fob4.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 > How do you take creatine and when? I am getting > conflicting info on this. 5 grams with liquid > carbs, but not citrus? How many carbs to a dose? Well pure creatine have *no* calorie. This is an fact. But creatine-P have calories, If I recall correctly 7.6 kcal/mol. So... You will have more energetic reserves in your muscles if you take it. But my question is: For what? What is your intention? Do you want to fast a whole day? or... Do you want bodybuild? Do you want heavy exercise?...? Depending on your plans creatine can help you. And the optimal dose is dependent on your muscular mass, weight, sex and level of phisical activity. Please consult your phisician (better consult an especialist in sportive medicine). I'm not the one you want If someone here, please give your help to us -- GAndhi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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