Re: Raw Meat Diet, Parasites, and CR Diet

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And some comments from me:

( yes, somewhat offtopic, but i think this list has the colloquial

lattitude for somewhat offtopic comments. The other list, the

serious list, has of course too much technical traffic for such

asides to be proper there.)

> (1) Far northern latitude tribal experiences of white men

> and natives who lived together among the population during

> long cold icy winters of total darkness, eating nothing

> more than raw meat.

I had read somewhere about a powow, mountain men and

indians, where the consumption of meats was something like

5 ( or maybe more!) lbs. of meat per day. When i told my

brother this, his comment was, i wonder what they smelled

like. I do not know if his comment has any basis in reality;

anyway, of course, your consumption is likely to be less than

several pounds per day. ( " you " , as in the general " you " . )

>

> (2) Metabolic laboratory measurements of volunteers who

> were confined in closed lockdown laboratories for

> long times (something like a year) eating nothing

> more than raw meat. Their lipid levels, blood chemistry,

> and so forth was considered excellent.

But, i suspect, no really longterm observations, nor are the

northern aboriginals noted for long lifespans, altho other

factors may weigh in more.

>

> Raw meat can be stored safely for months when it is buried

> in the ground. The meat does not need to be frozen,

> and the ground does not need to be frozen either.

> This practice and its common use seem to be a skill that

> modern men have lost.

I believe to some extent this is still practiced in the far north.

For example, whale meat, buried for a year and then recovered,

is/ was considered a delicacy. It has the consistency of ice

cream. ( Considering glycemic factor, may be a more healthy

treat than ice cream.) Or " fermented birds " , whole birds buried

about the same length of time, also considered a delicacy. So

much is just cultural programming, what we turn up our nose at.

> In scientific studies, the most effective raw foods to

> kill parasites appear to be sprouted seeds (called " sprouts " ,

> which can be home grown with water only, in inexpensive

> " sprouthouses " , which is what I do on my living room carpet).

> The best sprouts are the same ones that kill cancer:

> The mustard family (raw mustard sprouts, raw broccoli sprouts,

> raw cabbage sprouts, etc -- raw cruciferous sprouts).

I was bothered by instestinal worms as a youngster, and so i've

thought from time to time, what would be a natural self treatment

i could apply, even on the small chance that such parasites might

occasionally take up residence again. The only thing i came up

with on my own, and i don't know how effective, really, is a diet

of raw cabbage ( for scraping effect ) and pineapples pieces

swallowed whole, for the strong digestive enzymes it has.

Your suggestion, which without doubt works better, is appreciated.

Hue

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> about the same length of time, also considered a delicacy. So

> much is just cultural programming, what we turn up our nose at.

yes indeed!! someday i'll eventually get to eating insects!

> occasionally take up residence again. The only thing i came up

> with on my own, and i don't know how effective, really, is a diet

> of raw cabbage ( for scraping effect ) and pineapples pieces

> swallowed whole, for the strong digestive enzymes it has.

> Your suggestion, which without doubt works better, is appreciated.

> Hue

i don't think the raw cabbage would do anything, as the " scraping effect "

only sounds like wishful thinking. also raw cabbage is not a good idea in

general, unless it's been fermented (sauerkraut, kimchi, etc) because of the

goitrogens and probably other things that don't come to mind

(digestibility?). it should be cooked or fermented. while there are

certainly strong enzymes for digesting protein in pineapple, i don't see

how that would relate to parasites at all.

they're either there or not, regardless of how well amino acids are

extracted from the food.

mike parker

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Please let me hazzard some guesses re: the current threads : 1.) The cabbage and pineapple sounds like my grandmother's recipe for cole slaw and it's nutritious and healthful, the acidity in the pineapple juices acts to ferment and stabilize the gio's. 2.) Some fermentations esp. pickling produce carcinogens like in the Japanese tsukemono process and are to be avoided, no? 3. ) Somedays you eat the insects, somedays the insects eat you. Karma & Old Apache Saying re: bears.

Now I sound as crazy as you guys,

RBL

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> acidity in the pineapple juices acts to ferment and stabilize the gio's. 2.)

Some

> fermentations esp. pickling produce carcinogens like in the Japanese tsukemono

process and

> are to be avoided, no?

>

> RBL

could you give some examples of carcinogens produced in pickling with

salt? i've never heard of this and i eat a lot of fermented veggies, so

this is important to me.

thanks,

mike parker