Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 ----- Original Message ----- From: " dolores desideri " <ddesideri@...> < > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: Nourishing Traditions > I've been waiting two months for Borders to order in Nourishing Traditions > and they now tell me they are unable to get the book. Does anyone know where > I can get the book? dolores http://www.4radiantlife.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2002 Report Share Posted August 17, 2002 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " dolores desideri " <ddesideri@e...> > < @y...> > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:21 AM > Subject: Nourishing Traditions > > > > I've been waiting two months for Borders to order in Nourishing Traditions > > and they now tell me they are unable to get the book. Does anyone know > where > > I can get the book? dolores > > http://www.4radiantlife.com Another choice also in California (San Diego) http://www.price-pottenger.org/books.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2002 Report Share Posted August 17, 2002 Alec- >Another choice also in California (San Diego) > >http://www.price-pottenger.org/books.htm I actually think this is a case in which it makes sense to order from Amazon. By boosting the book's sales rank, we boost its visibility. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 > ... A calorie is a calorie, although there is some suggestion > that a high fibre content can reduce the amount that some foods are > digested, and hence how much energy you actually get from them...... Bottom line, eat 5000 calories of broccoli a day and you'll gain weight, eat > 1800 calories a day of butter & you'll lose weight... This is not a good example. There are some foods you can realistically, eat ad lib and you will NOT gain weight. Why don't you try eating a diet of 5000 calories of broccoli a day? It is practically impossible. Satiety effects and even purely physical limitations apply. Same for an all-fruit diet: you will lose substantial weight, even with 10+ bananas a day. ( I have tried the fruit diet for a month or 2, many years ago, much foolishness, but you will be losing weight, i assure you.....) In thinking about calories, you have to consider the calorie density of the foods, and the availability of the calories. This is why the raw-foods people so often get into trouble; many of those by-the-book calories are simply flushed right thru the body and out. Hue > > 4.) You won't absorb any minerals/vitamins without > > sufficient fat present! > > This is a fallacy ( " any " ). You won't get *fat-soluble* vitamins absorbed as > much, and that's the limit of the problem. Most minerals are absorbed > better on an empty stomach. Vit C is water soluble and you need no fat to > absorb it, etc. Are you sure this is quite the fallacy? In reading accounts of hunting people living in the far north, i read that on a diet of certain kinds of low fat meat ( rabbit for example) even with UNLIMITED supply of such meat, the hunters would starve to death without some source of fat from fat meat, for example from an elk. The fat was regarded as precious! Of course, this is an extreme climate, and the fat is very protective, but the fact is, without this extra fat, starvation and death, even with unlimited supply of other protein. Hue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 Hi Hue, > > ... Bottom line, eat 5000 > > calories of broccoli a day and you'll gain weight, eat > > 1800 calories a day of butter & you'll lose weight... > > This is not a good example. You're right. I was responding to a silly assertion with a silly example. One cannot realistically claim to 'lose calories' (lose weight was probably the intent) regardless of calorie consumption. Macronutrient profiles and individual food types do no such thing, although as you point out, they can have a tremendous impact on satiety. No, I don't eat 5000 calories of broccoli!! > > You won't get *fat-soluble* ... > > Are you sure this is quite the fallacy? In reading accounts of > hunting people living in the far north, i read that on a diet of > certain kinds of low fat meat ( rabbit for example) even with > UNLIMITED supply of such meat, the hunters would starve to > death without some source of fat from fat meat, for example > from an elk. The fat was regarded as precious! Of course, > this is an extreme climate, and the fat is very protective, but > the fact is, without this extra fat, starvation and death, even > with unlimited supply of other protein. Yup, you could starve even with an unlimited supply of extremely lean protein, but that's not because you can't absorb " any " vitamins or minerals, as was asserted. You just can't get the fat-soluble ones like vit E, etcetera. You'd also die of scurvy long before you died of anything else. Needless to say, even if your diet is a very low-fat diet of say 15% of calories coming from fat (on an 1800 cal/day diet), you're in absolutely no danger of that extreme problem. I also wouldn't advocate upping one's intake to 50% fat in the form of butter or some other extreme... We simply have no need for all that much fat, and it's less efficient that carbs, such as veggies. You can also get good fat from fruits, like olives. In essence, I disagree with the high sat fat argument being made right now, insofar as it's paired with the contention that caloric intake has no importance if you're freely eating good fats, butter, raw milk, etc... Getting good fats and a balanced macronutrient profile (AS WELL AS a balanced micronutrient profile) is all fine nutrition, but has little bearing on the validity of the CR part of CRON. Cheers, ________________________ Gifford 3-5 Humanities Centre Department of English University of Alberta www.ualberta.ca/~gifford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 Glad someone's on my side - --- In , " Hue " <kargo_cult@m...> wrote: > > ... A calorie is a calorie, although there is some suggestion > > that a high fibre content can reduce the amount that some foods are > > digested, and hence how much energy you actually get from them...... Bottom line, eat 5000 > calories of broccoli a day and you'll gain weight, eat > > 1800 calories a day of butter & you'll lose weight... > > This is not a good example. There are some foods you can > realistically, eat ad lib and you will NOT gain weight. Why > don't you try eating a diet of 5000 calories of broccoli a day? > It is practically impossible. Satiety effects and even purely > physical limitations apply. Same for an all-fruit diet: you will > lose substantial weight, even with 10+ bananas a day. ( I have > tried the fruit diet for a month or 2, many years ago, much > foolishness, but you will be losing weight, i assure you.....) > > In thinking about calories, you have to consider the calorie > density of the foods, and the availability of the calories. This > is why the raw-foods people so often get into trouble; many > of those by-the-book calories are simply flushed right thru > the body and out. > Hue > > > > 4.) You won't absorb any minerals/vitamins without > > > sufficient fat present! > > > > This is a fallacy ( " any " ). You won't get *fat-soluble* vitamins absorbed as > > much, and that's the limit of the problem. Most minerals are absorbed > > better on an empty stomach. Vit C is water soluble and you need no fat to > > absorb it, etc. > > Are you sure this is quite the fallacy? In reading accounts of > hunting people living in the far north, i read that on a diet of > certain kinds of low fat meat ( rabbit for example) even with > UNLIMITED supply of such meat, the hunters would starve to > death without some source of fat from fat meat, for example > from an elk. The fat was regarded as precious! Of course, > this is an extreme climate, and the fat is very protective, but > the fact is, without this extra fat, starvation and death, even > with unlimited supply of other protein. > Hue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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