Re: Quorn & Whole Foods Stores Steam Fish Free

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ALL:

Before trying Quorn I recommend knowing the possible side effects & some are

given below.

A vegan would not want to try Quorn, because it always contains Egg White.

Some Quorn products also have Whey & other " stuff " a vegan & others would

not want.

>Both are acceptable with a mild taste, & I have pawned off the

> " Quorn-turkey " to 2 people without them realizing it's

> " fake turkey " . [...]

Well, I did inform them both of my " taste test " experiment afterwards! )

Lol.

>2) I have had some " bowel adjustment " phase using Quorn, high protein &

>high fiber, as it made my stools almost runny for a few days. This would

>seem to me it is promoting a different bacteria growth, which affects

>digestion & stool differences. This makes sense because Quorn is

>an unusual form of protein & fiber. For those with constipation or

> " hard stools " Quorn might help in a big way.

There is no doubt Quorn can have unpleasant or serious side-effects! I have

been able to repeat the " loose stool " problem by eating a small amount of

Quorn -less than 1 oz. or 28g. This (potential serious) problem is

certainly due to the unique fiber that Quorn is.

It was an interesting experiment for me to try Quorn, but I personally do

not recommend it. I think Quorn fiber will promote different bacteria in

the gut, it's a unique fiber, which will cause mild to serious problems for

some small percentage people such as I experienced. It certainly affected

my stools. As I suggested, if someone has reoccurring constipation or " hard

stools " Quorn may solve that problem. Whether that's a healthy solution or

not for someone, I certainly would not personally try to solve such fiber &

gut " bacteria problems " by eating Quorn.

Relating to the article noted below it said Quorn was originally found in

soil. Perhaps this is a clue why some primitive peoples actually ate dirt?

I'm not that Paleo!!! Hehehe...

I found an interesting article from the NYT posted here:

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/May2002/WhatsInNuggets.htm

http://tinyurl.com/lkz5

Article Excerpts:

Quorn — named for a British village and manufactured in the north of

England — is a meat substitute made from a kind of a fungus, grown in giant

fermentation tanks and processed into a low-fat, protein-rich substance that

has some of the texture of meat.

A major sore point is Quorn's labeling, which says its chief ingredient

" comes from a small, unassuming member of the mushroom family. "

Three scientists who study fungi, or mycologists, from Penn State University

say calling the source of Quorn a mushroom " is analogous to calling a rat a

chicken because both are animals. " True, a mushroom is a fungus, and so is

quorn, but there the resemblance ends, they insist. Quorn is made from a

fungus that they say is " more accurately described as a `mold.' "

In the world of biology, fungi rate their own kingdom, alongside the plant

kingdom and the animal kingdom. There are thousands of members, including

many edible ones like mushrooms, morels, truffles, yeast and the mold that

makes blue cheese. But there are also less reputable relatives, like the

ones that lurk in shower stalls.

The fungus that makes Quorn is Fusarium venenatum. Food scientists looking

for a new source of protein found it in the ground near a wheat field in

Buckinghamshire, England, in 1967, according to Marlow Foods. It grows in

dirt and on grain, forming fine filaments and sometimes pinkish fuzz. It

never sprouts anything that looks even remotely like a mushroom, and it

belongs to a group of fungi far removed from mushrooms. The fungal filaments

are a bit like muscle fibers and give Quorn the texture of meat, its maker

says.

The mycologists also raised concerns about Quorn's safety. Dr. M.

Geiser, director of the Fusarium Research Center at Penn State, said by

e-mail, " There really isn't anything closely related that people have been

eating in large quantities. "

Yeast and morels are related to Fusarium, Dr. Geiser said, but not closely;

in evolution, they probably separated hundreds of millions of years ago.

Distinct organisms have different proteins. And so, Dr. Geiser said, Quorn

may contain proteins that people have not eaten before, and some may be

allergic to it.

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[Guest guest]

That can happen with any excess protein.

Do you have an amino acid breakdown?

Do you happen to know what it is EXACTLY?

Regards.

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From: " crON Lite.BMI.21 " <no-spam-please@...>

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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:46 PM

Subject: [ ] Quorn & Whole Foods Stores Steam Fish Free

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> 2) I have had some " bowel adjustment " phase using Quorn, high protein &

> high fiber, as it made my stools almost runny for a few days. This would

> seem to me it is promoting a different bacteria growth, which affects

> digestion & stool differences. This makes sense because Quorn is an unusual

> form of protein & fiber. For those with constipation or " hard stools " Quorn

> might help in a big way.

>

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Date: Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:32 pm

jwwright " <jwwright@e...> WROTE:

>That can happen with any excess protein.

ALL:

As I stated in my previous post, I ate a VERY SMALL amount of protein. Less

than an 1 oz. or 28g. The " problem " is repeatable with me over the last

week. In fact, today I have felt nauseous unable to eat normally. I have

no doubt Quorn will make many very sick.

I personally will never eat this product again.

>Do you have an amino acid breakdown?

The data is available from their website. Follow this link & scroll down

the page:

http://www.quorn.com/us/fihpro.htm

>Do you happen to know what it is EXACTLY?

See my previous post which does detail this:

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> As I stated in my previous post, I ate a VERY SMALL amount of

> protein. Less than an 1 oz. or 28g. The " problem " is repeatable

> with me over the last week. In fact, today I have felt nauseous

> unable to eat normally. I have no doubt Quorn will make many very

> sick.

>

> I personally will never eat this product again.

*****For quite some time this " product " has been on the " alert " list

of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a non-profit group

dedicated to healthful food and eating. Here's what they say on

their " Quorn Complaint " page (http://www.cspinet.org/quorn/):

" Marlow Foods (owned by Montagu Private Equity) claims that its Quorn

product is some natural, mushroom-like food. Quorn's packaging states

that the so-called " mycoprotein " in Quorn " made from natural

ingredients, " " mushroom in origin, " and " made from a small,

unassuming member of the mushroom family. "

Bah! It is made from a fungus found in a British dirt sample, and

grown in huge fermentation vats. The fungus that makes up Quorn,

Fusarium venenatum, has nothing to do with mushrooms. It is about as

closely related to mushrooms as an octopus is related to humans. "

On April 23, 2003, CSPI released the fact that " more than 550 Britons

and Americans have reported suffering vomiting, nausea, diarrhea, or

anaphylactic shock after eating Quorn. "

In an appended piece, CSPI notes, " In response to a Freedom of

Information Act request filed by CSPI, the FDA turned over a company-

sponsored double-blind trial which demonstrated that several percent

of volunteers experienced gastrointestinal symptoms after eating

mycoprotein. Shortly thereafter, CSPI first called for a nationwide

recall of Quorn products, but the FDA failed to act. "

Hmmmmm....I think I'll stick with soy! :-)))

Oh, and for those who might be interested, the current issue

(September 2003) of the " Nutrition Action Health Letter, " written and

published by CSPI, has the CRON diet as its cover story. The upshot

of the five page article? Equivocal! It " might work " in

humans...but then again, ... at this point in time, ... we just don't

know for sure.

For those of you who are not familiar with the " Nutrition Action

Health Letter, " well...they usually take pretty clear and definitive

positions on health and food-related issues. Often they are quite

obstreperous about what they see as harmful trends in American eating

habits. This rather bland, middle-of-the-road review/overview of

CRON was quite out-of-character for the Health Letter. They

certainly presented a fair, balanced (albeit superficial) explanation

of the CRON diet, quoting liberally from Walford. However, when it

came to their *evaluation* of CRON, they were decidedly UNdecided!

~andy

[Guest guest]

> That can happen with any excess protein.

> Do you have an amino acid breakdown?

> Do you happen to know what it is EXACTLY?

In fasting state the aminoacids alanine, arginine and others are

converted to glucose via glicolitic pathway. In my site I have

a link to a page explaining this:

http://www.ronaldoalonso.hpg.ig.com.br/cr/mol_biol_all.htm

The link is:

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/I/IntermediaryMetabol

ism.html

Atenciosly

-- Gandhi.

> Regards.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " crON Lite.BMI.21 " <no-spam-please@...>

> " " < >

> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:46 PM

> Subject: [ ] Quorn & Whole Foods Stores Steam Fish Free

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> >

> > 2) I have had some " bowel adjustment " phase using Quorn, high protein &

> > high fiber, as it made my stools almost runny for a few days. This

would

> > seem to me it is promoting a different bacteria growth, which affects

> > digestion & stool differences. This makes sense because Quorn is an

unusual

> > form of protein & fiber. For those with constipation or " hard stools "

Quorn

> > might help in a big way.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

not for the excess protein that gets into the gut undigested.

----- Original Message -----

From: " o Luiz Alonso " <ronaldo.luiz.alonso@...>

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Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:09 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Quorn & Whole Foods Stores Steam Fish Free

> > That can happen with any excess protein.

> > Do you have an amino acid breakdown?

> > Do you happen to know what it is EXACTLY?

>

> In fasting state the aminoacids alanine, arginine and others are

> converted to glucose via glicolitic pathway. In my site I have

> a link to a page explaining this: