Re: Possible beneficial effects for diabetics?

[Guest guest]

Yes, but cutting back (eliminating?) high GI foods might have a more direct

influence. By reducing calories you usually reduce carbs too, but I believe

the blood sugar/insulin axis is the more important effect. CR might provide

a secondary benefit in addition to that.

http://www.dfhi.com/interviews/rosedale.html

This link to the classic Rosedale lecture talks about insulin and diabetes.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Hue [mailto:kargo_cult@...]

Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:24 PM

Subject: [ ] Possible beneficial effects for diabetics?

I have a question about diabetes and CR practice. This issue may have come

up already

and been discussed. I do apologize in that case, for the redundancy of my

query, but not

seeing any relation to me, i would have deleted any such notes.

I have a penfriend several states away, a woman of about 50 years, diabetes

type 2, who

has been suffering periodic dangerous maladjustments of insulin level. She

says her

sight is beginning to suffer. She is already a slender person.

My question would be: Could some degree of CR be expected to help her, is

this something

i could recommend to her? Also, would the glucomanan powder product, which i

intend to

try for myself, also be of benefit for her? I would think so- anything that

helps to regulate

insulin release.

I do understand the issue of longevity for diabetics. This will be an

unspoken subtext in any

mention by me to her of CR, understood by both. If some degree of CR

practice would help

mitigate the effects of diabetes and possibly add LS for her, i think it

would be worth strongly

suggesting, even tho this would add even more rules to her daily life.

Thanks-

Hue

[Guest guest]

The important thing with diabetes is to keep the glucose level

regulated, but I think you already know that. Many diabetics resist

going on insulin, which is fine if it motivates them and their

condition can be managed by diet. This does not work for everyone.

Your friend may be slender because of the effects of the diabetes.

You don't say if this person is already on insulin, or some other

management practice. It may be that her diabetes is progressing, and

that she might require insulin if she is not already on it. Most

type 2 diabetics are overweight, even if your friend is not, and

lower weight translates to better glucose regulation (see website

below). Vision issues are nothing to mess with, based on what I've

seen with my uncle (adult onset type 2) and a woman I used to work

with (brittle type 1 since childhood).

I worked with a guy who unexplainedly lost weight, was diagnosed as

type 2. He had not been heavy, had been rather athletic, and tried

very hard to manage by diet only. This did not work for him - he

needed insulin.

We have friends whose 28-year old daughter (always thin) was recently

diagnosed as type 2. In a short time they changed the diagnosis to

type 1. I have to wonder how long she was actually diabetic, and

whether her slenderness was due to the undiagnosed type 1 diabetes.

I highly recommend http://www.mendosa.com for a wealth of information

and additional links. The ideal diet seems to largely be a low

glycemic index diet, along with relatively high fiber, which can be

consistent with CR. (See

http://www.mendosa.com/newsletter_august.htm which discusses various

fiber forms.) The traditional diabetic diet, which recommendeds low

carb and fairly high fat may be the cause of the high rate of heart

disease complications in those who are now older diabetics - this is

my personal opinion - don't jump on me about fat types and so forth,

but if you read about what has been recommended for diabetics in the

past, the fat recommendations were probably unintentionally

detrimental.

See the mendosa site's recommendations on low GI foods. Chana dal,

which supposedly has the lowest GI of any food (since water is not

food), is yummy (I love it), and he discusses uses and sources.

Iris

--- In , " Hue " <kargo_cult@m...>

wrote:

> I have a question about diabetes and CR practice. This issue may

have come up already

> and been discussed. I do apologize in that case, for the redundancy

of my query, but not

> seeing any relation to me, i would have deleted any such notes.

>

> I have a penfriend several states away, a woman of about 50 years,

diabetes type 2, who

> has been suffering periodic dangerous maladjustments of insulin

level. She says her

> sight is beginning to suffer. She is already a slender person.

>

> My question would be: Could some degree of CR be expected to help

her, is this something

> i could recommend to her? Also, would the glucomanan powder

product, which i intend to

> try for myself, also be of benefit for her? I would think so-

anything that helps to regulate

> insulin release.

>

> I do understand the issue of longevity for diabetics. This will be

an unspoken subtext in any

> mention by me to her of CR, understood by both. If some degree of

CR practice would help

> mitigate the effects of diabetes and possibly add LS for her, i

think it would be worth strongly

> suggesting, even tho this would add even more rules to her daily

life.

> Thanks-

> Hue

[Guest guest]

Hue Wrote:

My question would be: Could some degree of CR be expected to help her, is

this something i could recommend to her?

Does she get hypoglycemic too -swinging BG too low? If not, then...

Yes! CR would be good. Especially, if her fasting glucose seems to stay

elevated.

There is also some pub med stuff I came across that also showed 3-4

consecutive days of very low calories then off to normal calorie diet 2-3

would help with high fasting glucose. The 3-4 days low calorie thing was

300-600 calories, so one cycles this process.

She should check out:

http://www.mendosa.com/

too for lots of ideas about diet & special foods. Paying attention to

Glycemic Index & Load. I eat the Chana Dal beans -great taste & fast to

cook. Your local India grocery store should carry Chana Dal. See

Mendosa.com for online sources.

Hue Wrote:

Also, would the glucomannan powder product, which i intend to try for

myself, also be of benefit for her? I would think so- anything that helps to

regulate insulin release.

I have posted about this at the other list, and have tested it with a blood

glucose meter on myself. I am not a diabetic, so I'm just checking my BG

spikes. Ingesting 1-3 grams of powder with or before the meal mixed in

w/glass of water is supposed to help.

I used 1g per serving baked into my brownie mix & it cut my BG response by

25-35 points! It does work for me, yet I still have to run lots of

experiments comparing ingesting with meal or 20 minutes before in water

w/2-3g. I actually " feel " it slow my stomach emptying, and this sensation

does feel different than using psyllium, etc.

Please report your results with glucomannan too, and my posts at the other

list mentions that this doesn't have to be ingested ONLY as a powder. There

is a cool pasta & " gel pack " too.

See:

http://tinyurl.com/hjim

..

[Guest guest]

I assume your friend takes or has tried Metformin???

Suz

[Guest guest]

>I assume your friend takes or has tried Metformin???

I dunno. I have actually not grilled her about her diabetes

procedures, yet.....I have steered clear of too much on that

subject. She is pretty up on developments, so i would assume

she's not laggard in doing the correct thing. The latest

trials she's endured make me want to find something, if

possible, to help her live longer and better.

Hue

[Guest guest]

> My question would be: Could some degree of CR be expected to help her, is

this something

> i could recommend to her?

A moderate CR30 could be instituted safely.

Translating : Something arround 1900 kcal day with

optimal nutrition will increase insulin sensitivity along the years.

-- Gandhi.