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Hey, another newbie (2-3 weeks in) here with some questions...

forgive me if I get wordy, I'm just trying to make sense of all this

and I'm VERY confused.

For the past two/three weeks I have pretty much nixed sugar and

gotten most carbs out of my diet. I've never been a big sweets

person (although now that I can't eat them I find myself craving

them often), and the only fruit I have eaten lately are bananas and

cherries bc a doctor I know who beat candidiasis with the help of a

naturopathic doctor said that bananas and cherries are ok to have.

For ex., yesterday I had:

-Eggs for bfast

-A few cherries to hold me to lunch

-for lunch had ham and (*small* amount of) cheese rollup dipped in

spicy mustard and baby carrots (which I don't eat often at all bc I

know they are sugary) dipped in a little ranch dressing.

-for dinner had steak and veggies (squash, zucchini, peppers) and a

corn on the cob.

-snack of broccoli salad and a few slices of marble cheddar and jack

cheese.

I drink all spring or filtered water, the only other thing I'll

drink is unsweetened iced tea (made from filtered water).

I know its not perfect but I think I'm getting there and its

definitely a change from the high carb diet I used to eat...

now my real question is given this diet, and my history- when do you

think I would begin to see results and/or die-off symptoms?

my 1st yeast infection was 5 years ago, from being on an antibiotic

in attempts to clear my skin. I was probably only on that

antibiotic a week or two before I was put on ortho tri cyclen as an

alternative to the antibiotic, which I'm still on today. I went off

the pill for 6 months but never saw my yeast infections let up so I

didn't think that was a factor and I went back on it to ease up

period pain. when I was 17-18 I probably got 1-2 YI a year. when I

got to college they got increasingly more recurrent and persistent,

probably from a change in diet. they went from 3-4 times a year, to

monthly, to pretty much a constant discomfort. I started getting a

lot of allergies which mostly resulted in sinus problems and chronic

postnasal drip, had increasingly bad bouts of depression, started

getting joint pain, BV and UTIs, and IBS symptoms most recently. It

got the point that diflucan just didn't really work for me for YIs,

and after seeing specialist after specialist I got the YIs under

control, but I'm pretty sure the yeast is still present bc when I

finish urinating, white cloudy stuff drips out, plus I still get

infections relatively easily. when I have infections its not

abnormal to have chunks of yeast come out when I urinate. I avoid

antibiotics, I only go on them if I have to and I take diflucan and

probiotics for the duration of the antibiotics.

I ask about die-off and all that bc last Sunday and Monday I felt

under the weather, and I have been itchy on and off for the past few

days. Plus when I urinated today I had some actual small pieces of

yeast come out. so I was wondering if I would be seeing die-off

symptoms this early and if my diet is strict enough I would start to

see them, and if seeing yeast coming out would be a die-off symptom

at all or if it just means another infection flaring up again. I've

been taking Goldenseal as an antifungal, Echinacea for immune

system, and acidophilus and bifidus for probiotics. I ran out of

goldenseal so I started on caprylic acid last night bc I read you

shouldn't take Goldenseal for prolonged periods of time.

Oh and two more questions-

when you take supplements should you take the recommended dose on

the bottle or more?

is there anything you can do NOT to lost weight? I am 5'4 " and was

110lbs at the outset and have already lost 2 lbs- I don't want to

end up scrawny :-/

Any feedback would be MUCH appreciated, I know this is a lot of

info, i hope it's not an inappropriate post...

feel free to email me directly rather than bog the message board

down with all of this-

Take care all,

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Okay, according to the diet I'm on, you should not be eating bananas at

all. And cherries you should leave for the first 3 - 6 months

(depending on how much better you are).

Cheese? You should avoid all dairy for the first 2 - 3 months at least.

Ham? Unless it is organically made, read the label and you will see

that it contains TONS of chemicals of every kind - that is a huge no-no.

Mustard contains vinegar (and probably other chemicals and colourants)

and, unless organic, should also be avoided. Corn is also to be avoided

for the first 3 - 6 months.

I think you are not seeing die off because your diet leaves a lot to be

desired. Are you taking supplements? What about anti-fungals and

probiotics?

Keen

While we are critiquing...

Hey, another newbie (2-3 weeks in) here with some questions...

forgive me if I get wordy, I'm just trying to make sense of all this

and I'm VERY confused.

For the past two/three weeks I have pretty much nixed sugar and

gotten most carbs out of my diet. I've never been a big sweets

person (although now that I can't eat them I find myself craving

them often), and the only fruit I have eaten lately are bananas and

cherries bc a doctor I know who beat candidiasis with the help of a

naturopathic doctor said that bananas and cherries are ok to have.

For ex., yesterday I had:

-Eggs for bfast

-A few cherries to hold me to lunch

-for lunch had ham and (*small* amount of) cheese rollup dipped in

spicy mustard and baby carrots (which I don't eat often at all bc I

know they are sugary) dipped in a little ranch dressing.

-for dinner had steak and veggies (squash, zucchini, peppers) and a

corn on the cob.

-snack of broccoli salad and a few slices of marble cheddar and jack

cheese.

I drink all spring or filtered water, the only other thing I'll

drink is unsweetened iced tea (made from filtered water).

I know its not perfect but I think I'm getting there and its

definitely a change from the high carb diet I used to eat...

now my real question is given this diet, and my history- when do you

think I would begin to see results and/or die-off symptoms?

my 1st yeast infection was 5 years ago, from being on an antibiotic

in attempts to clear my skin. I was probably only on that

antibiotic a week or two before I was put on ortho tri cyclen as an

alternative to the antibiotic, which I'm still on today. I went off

the pill for 6 months but never saw my yeast infections let up so I

didn't think that was a factor and I went back on it to ease up

period pain. when I was 17-18 I probably got 1-2 YI a year. when I

got to college they got increasingly more recurrent and persistent,

probably from a change in diet. they went from 3-4 times a year, to

monthly, to pretty much a constant discomfort. I started getting a

lot of allergies which mostly resulted in sinus problems and chronic

postnasal drip, had increasingly bad bouts of depression, started

getting joint pain, BV and UTIs, and IBS symptoms most recently. It

got the point that diflucan just didn't really work for me for YIs,

and after seeing specialist after specialist I got the YIs under

control, but I'm pretty sure the yeast is still present bc when I

finish urinating, white cloudy stuff drips out, plus I still get

infections relatively easily. when I have infections its not

abnormal to have chunks of yeast come out when I urinate. I avoid

antibiotics, I only go on them if I have to and I take diflucan and

probiotics for the duration of the antibiotics.

I ask about die-off and all that bc last Sunday and Monday I felt

under the weather, and I have been itchy on and off for the past few

days. Plus when I urinated today I had some actual small pieces of

yeast come out. so I was wondering if I would be seeing die-off

symptoms this early and if my diet is strict enough I would start to

see them, and if seeing yeast coming out would be a die-off symptom

at all or if it just means another infection flaring up again. I've

been taking Goldenseal as an antifungal, Echinacea for immune

system, and acidophilus and bifidus for probiotics. I ran out of

goldenseal so I started on caprylic acid last night bc I read you

shouldn't take Goldenseal for prolonged periods of time.

Oh and two more questions-

when you take supplements should you take the recommended dose on

the bottle or more?

is there anything you can do NOT to lost weight? I am 5'4 " and was

110lbs at the outset and have already lost 2 lbs- I don't want to

end up scrawny :-/

Any feedback would be MUCH appreciated, I know this is a lot of

info, i hope it's not an inappropriate post...

feel free to email me directly rather than bog the message board

down with all of this-

Take care all,

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Important to stress here that " dairy " problem statements should

not include undenatured whey, particularly the isolates, but

somewhat the concentrates too.

Undenatured whey has components that block adhesion sites in

bacterial infections, and it works as an immunomodulator and

immune system support, which is important in candida because even

if non-systemic, there are candida antibodies in your blood which

means that at some point the candida has been recognised as an

invader.

Far from avoiding undenatured whey, you should make it a main

component of a candida regime, and any health regime in general.

The question milk sensitive individuals should ask themselves is

" is the undenatured whey concentrate reaction-free enough, or do

I need an isolate? " Concentrates do contain a little more

potentially reactive bovine components and as you go up in

quality into the isolates even these tiny amounts have been

removed, until you finally get to " well-tolerated even by

severely milk-sensitive individuals " , a statement that is posted

in the PDR on the Immunocal page for glutathione.

Whey is distinctive and " all dairy " statements should be revised

to include that.

Duncan Crow

> Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenables@...

> Date: Wed Aug 2, 2006 11:35 pm (PDT)

>

>

> Cheese? You should avoid all dairy for the first 2 - 3 months at

> least.

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" Important to stress here that " dairy " problem statements should

not include undenatured whey, particularly the isolates, but

somewhat the concentrates too. "

So even if I have a high IgG to whey, I might be okay with a whey isolate?

Thanks,

Olif

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Olif,

Many undenatured whey products will not cause a reaction in

people who react to milk.

If you have a high IgG to whey, (sorry, I'm not following WHICH

component and how bad the reaction to it) you might be okay with

a whey isolate that has had nearly all of it removed. I've noted

varying levels of beta-globulin, the most common reactive immune

support component that does not produce glutathione.

You have to know which component you react to and then get an

analysis from the company to know before you buy it. Most

companies are proud of their analysis and will give it to you or

you can find it already posted somewhere in etherspace. If you

don't know, try minimal beta-lactoglobulin.

Duncan

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Leigh, denatured whey is the boiled stuff. We are interested in

UNdenatured for its health properties. Four types are on my

website, and you can click through to find more :) -- most people

buy the 56 lb jug of ProLab concentrate, many buy the ProLab

isolate, and very few buy the designer whey although they can be

life-savers.

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/cold-processed-whey.html

Duncan

> Posted by: " Leigh McCall-Alton " mccallalton@... mccallalton

> Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 5:37 am (PDT)

>

> Hi. Do you know of any brand of denatured whey which fit your

> description??? Leigh

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Olif, beta-lactoglobulin produces no glutathione in the cells,

much like the oral glutathione in your rice protein :(

Beta-lactoglobulin is a reaction producer in some people.

I'm not so sure about detox symptoms arising from a rice protein

and nutrient drink; doesn't sound right.

Duncan

> But I want the glutathione, don't I? Am I not following something

> correctly?

>

> I have noticed detox symptoms from rice protein with added

> glutathione, vitamins, minerals and other things. If the whey would be

> better, I would like to try it if I can tolerate it.

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

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> Posted by: " Olif " OVanPelt@... olifmary

> Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 6:55 am (PDT)

> So even though the rice protein mix has glutathione added to it, it

> isn't doing anything because I am taking it orally, or is my body just

> using what I am ingesting instead of making my cells produce more?

When glutathione is digested its component amino acids can be

used for any purpose. What gutathione you make yourself from

precursors in a scoop of whey is magnitudes more than you'd get

in several capsules.

Duncan

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Yeah I wasn't eating fruit at all but i figured cherries and bananas

were worth a shot since it worked for somebody else who is a doctor

and was assisted by a naturopathic doctor and beat candida. its

frustrating because, as has been pointed out by others, some say

certain things are ok and some say they are not. but the bottom line

is- there's not much you can eat, at least not if you want a little

variety. its very difficult for me when i live with my mother and eat

what she buys and prepares and she's trying really hard to keep this

diet in mind and is very supportive but i can't expect my entire

family to change what they eat in such an extreme manner, and i

honestly don't think they eat that unhealthy to begin with. and in

september i'm going back to college for one more semester which poses

its own eating challenges. its also hard when you are told of all the

things you can't eat, but are given very few suggestions or ideas for

things you can eat as a replacement, probably why i've already lost 3

pounds in two weeks which, again, i'm not happy about.

and to answer the question about supplements, i actually listed what

i've been taking in my first post. i was taking goldenseal, echinecea

(probably spelled wrong) and acidophilus/bifidus. now i'm taking

caprylic acid instead of goldenseal because i read in several places

that its not good to take goldenseal for an extended period of time.

i'm just taking the recommended dose on the bottle because i wouldn't

know if/how i should take it differently. and i started drinking

cinnamon tea.

oh and one more reason that i'm getting more and more skeptical about

being able to keep this diet is that i don't think i know enough about

food and ingredients to even avoid the things i'm supposed to. like

this whole dairy conversation that has stemmed from my post- i've

never even heard the words undenatured or glutathione before let alone

know what they are or how they affect my body. while i'm sure that

information is great information to have, i have no idea how to take

it and use it in my life.

i guess thats all the venting i have. Thanks for the posts, i guess

i'll stop eating the bananas and cherries. if its not die-off i'm

experiencing i guess its just flaring up AGAIN despite the changes i

have made, and i guess i'm just feeling sick for some other reason.

>

> > Posted by: " Olif " OVanPelt@... olifmary

> > Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 6:55 am (PDT)

> > So even though the rice protein mix has glutathione added to it, it

> > isn't doing anything because I am taking it orally, or is my body

just

> > using what I am ingesting instead of making my cells produce more?

>

> When glutathione is digested its component amino acids can be

> used for any purpose. What gutathione you make yourself from

> precursors in a scoop of whey is magnitudes more than you'd get

> in several capsules.

>

> Duncan

>

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Dr. Rea's phd in nutrition told me that if I did not get enough nutrients, then

I could not recover. He said it was okay and necessary to have some fruit. I

think giving up sugar sugar, dairy, and the basic food allergens are all you

need to do. If you starve yourself to the point where you almost collapse from

starvation or malnutrition, you are going to be zapped by viruses, allergies,

etc. and recovery from anything then becomes more difficult.

amcfarland102 <ashangelcloud@...> wrote:

Yeah I wasn't eating fruit at all but i figured cherries and bananas

were worth a shot since it worked for somebody else who is a doctor

and was assisted by a naturopathic doctor and beat candida. its

frustrating because, as has been pointed out by others, some say

certain things are ok and some say they are not. but the bottom line

is- there's not much you can eat, at least not if you want a little

variety. its very difficult for me when i live with my mother and eat

what she buys and prepares and she's trying really hard to keep this

diet in mind and is very supportive but i can't expect my entire

family to change what they eat in such an extreme manner, and i

honestly don't think they eat that unhealthy to begin with. and in

september i'm going back to college for one more semester which poses

its own eating challenges. its also hard when you are told of all the

things you can't eat, but are given very few suggestions or ideas for

things you can eat as a replacement, probably why i've already lost 3

pounds in two weeks which, again, i'm not happy about.

and to answer the question about supplements, i actually listed what

i've been taking in my first post. i was taking goldenseal, echinecea

(probably spelled wrong) and acidophilus/bifidus. now i'm taking

caprylic acid instead of goldenseal because i read in several places

that its not good to take goldenseal for an extended period of time.

i'm just taking the recommended dose on the bottle because i wouldn't

know if/how i should take it differently. and i started drinking

cinnamon tea.

oh and one more reason that i'm getting more and more skeptical about

being able to keep this diet is that i don't think i know enough about

food and ingredients to even avoid the things i'm supposed to. like

this whole dairy conversation that has stemmed from my post- i've

never even heard the words undenatured or glutathione before let alone

know what they are or how they affect my body. while i'm sure that

information is great information to have, i have no idea how to take

it and use it in my life.

i guess thats all the venting i have. Thanks for the posts, i guess

i'll stop eating the bananas and cherries. if its not die-off i'm

experiencing i guess its just flaring up AGAIN despite the changes i

have made, and i guess i'm just feeling sick for some other reason.

>

> > Posted by: " Olif " OVanPelt@... olifmary

> > Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 6:55 am (PDT)

> > So even though the rice protein mix has glutathione added to it, it

> > isn't doing anything because I am taking it orally, or is my body

just

> > using what I am ingesting instead of making my cells produce more?

>

> When glutathione is digested its component amino acids can be

> used for any purpose. What gutathione you make yourself from

> precursors in a scoop of whey is magnitudes more than you'd get

> in several capsules.

>

> Duncan

>

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