something different - no-one seems to have picked up on this.

October 7, 2006

I can certainly vouch for the existence of a die-off effect. I became so sick

with something - I didn't know what - that I could barely move off the bed about

a year ago. I worked out I must have had a severe candida problem - nothing

else. I bought detoxing tonics (in particular - olive leaf extract) plus I took

all the supplements and things people talk about on this site.

I have already mentioned the unbelievable stuff that came out of me on another

post. I don't remember if I mentioned that it included a dozen malignant

tumours. I'm just coming out of the 'shock' state now. But despite the fact that

the tumours are no longer coming out (hopefully because they are all gone) and I

no longer have the problematic sugar craving which I had for years - hopefully

because the yeast overgrowth has substantially deteriorated, and despite the

fact that I have a lot more energy, have my mental capacity back (I had to drop

a law degree when I got sick) and despite the fact that I generally feel a whole

lot better, my body ( virtually of its own accord is still going thought this

massive detox/die-off effect with the headaches, flu symptoms etc). I wondering

when is it ever going to come to an end. It's been a year now.

However, in my readings, I found information that amalgam fillings and heavy

metals are a cause of candida etc, and that if you detox the metals and use fish

oil together, the " infections " go for good. It was discovered by a accident by a

Japanese doctor. Chlorella ( a deep sea algae) is used to detox heavy metal from

the tissues, and coriander (also called cilantro) is used to take heavy metals

out of the brain and central nervous system.

Also, candida can well cause an absorption problems, so all the supplements

will only be effective if they are being absorbed. I took digestive enzymes and

it made a lot of difference (in Australia there is something in a pink packet

from the chemist called 'metabolism' - it's actually used for losing weight)

Keen Venables <kvenables@...> wrote:

Sounds like die off and it is probably because of the diet, probiotics

and garlic all working together. You must feel ill before you get

better.

Keen

garlic and dieoff?

I have been taking threelac for about 2 and a half monthes now and am

growing skeptical of it's efficacy. I have been taking 3 pills of

probiotic defense for about a week and a half now and have also

noticed minimal effects with that. I started a very strict candida

diet just about a week ago which has definitely seemed to clear up my

head a bit, but not other symptoms.

Just in the past few days I started eating 4-5 raw cloves of garlic a

day(luckily my depression from lack of health has distanced me from my

friends in the past few monthes. I'm sure I smell grand). today I

woke up feeling like I wanted to puke and had frequent stomach cramps

all day. I also have been holding a pretty steady fever of about

100.5 and been having headaches on and off. My gas has smelled brutal

and it just hangs in the air. Is it likely that the garlic has

stemmed such dieoff effects, or is it more likely that I am just

coming down with something?

greg

October 8, 2006

>> I don't remember if I mentioned that it included a dozen malignant

tumours. I'm just coming out of the 'shock' state now.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow! Are you serious? How did you know what they were? Did you go an pick

them out, wrap them up and take them off to the hospital to get them

checked? And then what? All the oncologists celebrated with you that you

found a general cure for cancer andnow they don't have a speciality

anymore...?

As shocked as you...

avraham

On 10/8/06, Helen deHavilland <helen_dehavilland@...> wrote:

>

> I can certainly vouch for the existence of a die-off effect. I became so

> sick with something - I didn't know what - that I could barely move off the

> bed about a year ago. I worked out I must have had a severe candida problem

> - nothing else. I bought detoxing tonics (in particular - olive leaf

> extract) plus I took all the supplements and things people talk about on

> this site.

>

> I have already mentioned the unbelievable stuff that came out of me on

> another post. I don't remember if I mentioned that it included a dozen

> malignant tumours. I'm just coming out of the 'shock' state now. But despite

> the fact that the tumours are no longer coming out (hopefully because they

> are all gone) and I no longer have the problematic sugar craving which I had

> for years - hopefully because the yeast overgrowth has substantially

> deteriorated, and despite the fact that I have a lot more energy, have my

> mental capacity back (I had to drop a law degree when I got sick) and

> despite the fact that I generally feel a whole lot better, my body (

> virtually of its own accord is still going thought this massive

> detox/die-off effect with the headaches, flu symptoms etc). I wondering when

> is it ever going to come to an end. It's been a year now.

>

> However, in my readings, I found information that amalgam fillings and

> heavy metals are a cause of candida etc, and that if you detox the metals

> and use fish oil together, the " infections " go for good. It was discovered

> by a accident by a Japanese doctor. Chlorella ( a deep sea algae) is used to

> detox heavy metal from the tissues, and coriander (also called cilantro) is

> used to take heavy metals out of the brain and central nervous system.

>

> Also, candida can well cause an absorption problems, so all the

> supplements will only be effective if they are being absorbed. I took

> digestive enzymes and it made a lot of difference (in Australia there is

> something in a pink packet from the chemist called 'metabolism' - it's

> actually used for losing weight)

>

> Keen Venables <kvenables@... <kvenables%40investec.co.za>>

> wrote:

> Sounds like die off and it is probably because of the diet, probiotics

> and garlic all working together. You must feel ill before you get

> better.

>

> Keen

>

> garlic and dieoff?

>

> I have been taking threelac for about 2 and a half monthes now and am

> growing skeptical of it's efficacy. I have been taking 3 pills of

> probiotic defense for about a week and a half now and have also

> noticed minimal effects with that. I started a very strict candida

> diet just about a week ago which has definitely seemed to clear up my

> head a bit, but not other symptoms.

> Just in the past few days I started eating 4-5 raw cloves of garlic a

> day(luckily my depression from lack of health has distanced me from my

> friends in the past few monthes. I'm sure I smell grand). today I

> woke up feeling like I wanted to puke and had frequent stomach cramps

> all day. I also have been holding a pretty steady fever of about

> 100.5 and been having headaches on and off. My gas has smelled brutal

> and it just hangs in the air. Is it likely that the garlic has

> stemmed such dieoff effects, or is it more likely that I am just

> coming down with something?

>

> greg

>

October 8, 2006

There is a natural mechanism to handle dieoff (toxic) symptoms and

mercury -- the body's antioxidant and detoxifier glutathione is also

the natural escort of heavy metals fom the body.

All the antioxidants work together to reduce toxicity symptoms, and

glutathione especially, because one of its roles is to regenerate

other antioxidants as they are used so they can be used more than

once.

Adequate glutathione requires selenium, and selenium deficiency,

which is very common in many areas of the world, for example most of

North America, will impair glutathione manufacture, in turn impairing

mercury and other metal removal and detoxification.

Chronic low-level arsenic exposure, mainly from drinking and washing

water, as well as mercury depletes glutathione, thus also depleting

selenium. Arsenic is actually a specific detox for selenium poisoning.

Glutathione is part of ATP energy production, so without the selenium

there is a glutathione deficiency inside the mitochondria where they

ot only need 90% of the antioxidant protection in the body but where

they need to produce ATP energy to keep the cell alive.

While this is actually a systemic condition, locally the intestine is

more depleted due to more concentrated exposure to toxins generally

plus being directly depleted by the arsenic in drinking water; this

would suppress cell growth and repair of leaky gut.

Because of its pivotal systemic effect in health, I recommend keeping

glutathione high and selenium adequate, and that's why I recommend

cold-processed whey. The lactose component should essentially be

neutralized by an adequate probiotic bacteria ecology, which would

use it before you would react to it. Some wheys have had the lactose

substantially or entirely removed in the first place.

A final note of particular interest to vegetarians is that the

branched chain essential amino acids, plus lysine, methionine and

tryptophan, which may be present in tiny amounts but are normally

deficient in a vegetarian diet, are plentiful in undenatured whey.

The casein component of milk aside, survival of all mammalian species

depends on undenatured whey being a balanced and an all around good

food.

Duncan Crow

> Sounds like die off and it is probably because of the

diet, probiotics

> and garlic all working together. You must feel ill before you get

> better.

>

> Keen

>

> garlic and dieoff?

>

> I have been taking threelac for about 2 and a half monthes now and

am

> growing skeptical of it's efficacy. I have been taking 3 pills of

> probiotic defense for about a week and a half now and have also

> noticed minimal effects with that. I started a very strict candida

> diet just about a week ago which has definitely seemed to clear up

my

> head a bit, but not other symptoms.

> Just in the past few days I started eating 4-5 raw cloves of garlic

a

> day(luckily my depression from lack of health has distanced me from

my

> friends in the past few monthes. I'm sure I smell grand). today I

> woke up feeling like I wanted to puke and had frequent stomach

cramps

> all day. I also have been holding a pretty steady fever of about

> 100.5 and been having headaches on and off. My gas has smelled

brutal

> and it just hangs in the air. Is it likely that the garlic has

> stemmed such dieoff effects, or is it more likely that I am just

> coming down with something?

>

> greg

>

October 10, 2006

Hi - I'm actually a nurse. They are quite distinct looking things. They look

like little pink tongues. I was shown a photo of them in a medical textbook. It

was an exact match. No - I didn't get them ananlyzed. The truth is that I'm too

gutless to be told officially - so now you have something genuine to attack me

on. But if you had a photo of a toothbrush and a toothbrush in you hand, you'd

have a pretty good idea it was the same thing. These things weren't ambiguous to

look at. And yes, I picked these things out with toothpicks from my faeces while

I was in the toilet, cleaned them up and had a good look before flushing them

down the toilet. Unfortunately I didn't appreciate the significance of what they

were till I was shown a photo of them in the Mosbys Medical/Nursing dictionary.

There were also some non malignant tumours called phaeochromocytoma. I can't

prove or explain what happened to me - but I did write to the Federal Australian

Health Minister documenting my

experience. But for those people willing to keep an open mind, I'm hoping the

following information may help someone. I passed lots of things that I was later

able to idenfy with photos from medical textbooks - mainly fungus and worms.

Despite expert medical opinion, my tumors (that I didn't know I had) came out

after lots of strong detox - while I was using a product called 'pinnacle tonic'

amongst other things. I feel a whole lot better. I have had 3 oncology

appointments which I have missed - to see if there is anything left. And when

I'm brave enough I'll go to one of them. I hope the message comes accross that

tumours (at least mine) can come out without the ravages of surgery and

chemotherapy etc. I'm reporting truthfully what I saw because it may one day

help someone else. I note once again, I can't explain or prove what happened.

According to naturopath sites (and my girlfriend from school who is now a

doctor), it's not that difficult to get rid of cancer by

alternative means. Once again, I'm not interested in a slanging match with you.

Avraham Makeler <amakeler@...> wrote: >> I don't remember if I mentioned

that it included a dozen malignant