Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 After I cut carbs significantly, and added nuts, my HDL went up quite significantly (from 55 to 105 mg/dl). " E-Mail is not to be used to pass on information or data. It should only be used for company business. " --Dilbert " Ahh, they have the internet on computers now " - Homer J. Simpson " The human race has only one truly effective weapon, and that is laughter! " - Mark Twain >From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@...> >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] HDL >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:48:32 -0000 > >Hi guys: > >If anyone would be willing to share what happened to their HDL levels >after they started CRON it would be appreciated. Also if anyone has >suggestions for raising HDL that would be appreciated also. > >My HDL has long been in the 30 - 35 range, and only recently have I >become aware that I ought to get it up at least to 45 if I can. > >If CRON will do that, then fine. But if not then I am actively >experimenting with other foods currently and would consider other >ideas for a future experiment. > >(I have a long list of things that have no effect on my HDL. >Exercise is one. Wine as another.) Fish seems to raise it >marginally. Niacin taken in large doses also is supposed to raise >HDL but in the quantities needed is not well tolerated by most >people, I am told. Thanks for any input. > >Rodney. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Crave some Miles or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Very interesting. Could you please elaborate on what kind of carbs you cut? And what kind of nuts you added? What an astonishing number. I didn't realize anyone had an HDL reading of 105!!! When your HDL was 105, may I ask what your LDL and triglycerides were? Many thanks. Rodney. > > After I cut carbs significantly, and added nuts, my HDL went up quite > significantly (from 55 to 105 mg/dl). > > > " E-Mail is not to be used to pass on information or data. It should only > be used for company business. " --Dilbert > > > " Ahh, they have the internet on computers now " - Homer J. Simpson > > " The human race has only one truly effective weapon, and that is laughter! " > - Mark Twain > > > > > > >From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: [ ] HDL > >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:48:32 -0000 > > > >Hi guys: > > > >If anyone would be willing to share what happened to their HDL levels > >after they started CRON it would be appreciated. Also if anyone has > >suggestions for raising HDL that would be appreciated also. > > > >My HDL has long been in the 30 - 35 range, and only recently have I > >become aware that I ought to get it up at least to 45 if I can. > > > >If CRON will do that, then fine. But if not then I am actively > >experimenting with other foods currently and would consider other > >ideas for a future experiment. > > > >(I have a long list of things that have no effect on my HDL. > >Exercise is one. Wine as another.) Fish seems to raise it > >marginally. Niacin taken in large doses also is supposed to raise > >HDL but in the quantities needed is not well tolerated by most > >people, I am told. Thanks for any input. > > > >Rodney. > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Crave some Miles or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always > playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 I cut out alot of fruit and some yogurt. Mostly dropped apples, grapes. I haven't eaten grain much for years, anyway. Increased blueberries and other berries. Nuts included walnuts, almonds, hazelnuts, macadamia, pecans. I also increased ground flax seed a bit. Some " high omega 3 " eggs, lots of fish, especially herring, salmon. LDL remained fairly constant from high to low carb diet change at 36 mg/dl. Triglycerides were not assessed. " E-Mail is not to be used to pass on information or data. It should only be used for company business. " --Dilbert " Ahh, they have the internet on computers now " - Homer J. Simpson " The human race has only one truly effective weapon, and that is laughter! " - Mark Twain >From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@...> >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] Re: HDL >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:17:02 -0000 > >Very interesting. Could you please elaborate on what kind of carbs >you cut? And what kind of nuts you added? What an astonishing >number. I didn't realize anyone had an HDL reading of 105!!! > >When your HDL was 105, may I ask what your LDL and triglycerides were? > >Many thanks. > >Rodney. > > > > > > > > After I cut carbs significantly, and added nuts, my HDL went up >quite > > significantly (from 55 to 105 mg/dl). > > > > > > " E-Mail is not to be used to pass on information or data. It should >only > > be used for company business. " --Dilbert > > > > > > " Ahh, they have the internet on computers now " - Homer J. Simpson > > > > " The human race has only one truly effective weapon, and that is >laughter! " > > - Mark Twain > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...> > > >Reply- > > > > > >Subject: [ ] HDL > > >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:48:32 -0000 > > > > > >Hi guys: > > > > > >If anyone would be willing to share what happened to their HDL >levels > > >after they started CRON it would be appreciated. Also if anyone >has > > >suggestions for raising HDL that would be appreciated also. > > > > > >My HDL has long been in the 30 - 35 range, and only recently have I > > >become aware that I ought to get it up at least to 45 if I can. > > > > > >If CRON will do that, then fine. But if not then I am actively > > >experimenting with other foods currently and would consider other > > >ideas for a future experiment. > > > > > >(I have a long list of things that have no effect on my HDL. > > >Exercise is one. Wine as another.) Fish seems to raise it > > >marginally. Niacin taken in large doses also is supposed to raise > > >HDL but in the quantities needed is not well tolerated by most > > >people, I am told. Thanks for any input. > > > > > >Rodney. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Crave some Miles or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are >always > > playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! > > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio > _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 I was rather suprised at the HDL also, but I've heard of higher levels also. I dropped some fruit (mostly apples, grapes, melons), yogurt, starchy vegetables. I've not eaten alot of grains for quite a while. I added nuts, including walnuts, almonds, pecans, macadamia, hazelnuts, as well as those nut-like legumes, peanuts. I also increased ground flax seeds, fish (especially herring, salmon), added " high omega-3 " eggs. LDL remained relatively constant at about 35-36 mg/dl. " E-Mail is not to be used to pass on information or data. It should only be used for company business. " --Dilbert " Ahh, they have the internet on computers now " - Homer J. Simpson " The human race has only one truly effective weapon, and that is laughter! " - Mark Twain >From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@...> >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] Re: HDL >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:17:02 -0000 > >Very interesting. Could you please elaborate on what kind of carbs >you cut? And what kind of nuts you added? What an astonishing >number. I didn't realize anyone had an HDL reading of 105!!! > >When your HDL was 105, may I ask what your LDL and triglycerides were? > >Many thanks. > >Rodney. > > > > > > > > After I cut carbs significantly, and added nuts, my HDL went up >quite > > significantly (from 55 to 105 mg/dl). > > > > > > " E-Mail is not to be used to pass on information or data. It should >only > > be used for company business. " --Dilbert > > > > > > " Ahh, they have the internet on computers now " - Homer J. Simpson > > > > " The human race has only one truly effective weapon, and that is >laughter! " > > - Mark Twain > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...> > > >Reply- > > > > > >Subject: [ ] HDL > > >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:48:32 -0000 > > > > > >Hi guys: > > > > > >If anyone would be willing to share what happened to their HDL >levels > > >after they started CRON it would be appreciated. Also if anyone >has > > >suggestions for raising HDL that would be appreciated also. > > > > > >My HDL has long been in the 30 - 35 range, and only recently have I > > >become aware that I ought to get it up at least to 45 if I can. > > > > > >If CRON will do that, then fine. But if not then I am actively > > >experimenting with other foods currently and would consider other > > >ideas for a future experiment. > > > > > >(I have a long list of things that have no effect on my HDL. > > >Exercise is one. Wine as another.) Fish seems to raise it > > >marginally. Niacin taken in large doses also is supposed to raise > > >HDL but in the quantities needed is not well tolerated by most > > >people, I am told. Thanks for any input. > > > > > >Rodney. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Crave some Miles or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are >always > > playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! > > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio > _________________________________________________________________ Crave some Miles or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Hi Chris: Many thanks for that. I wonder if it is the type of fat in nuts that raised your HDL. I have recently added some safflower oil to my diet on a regular basis hoping it may raise my HDL (without changing LDL). Results not yet in. FWIW I suspect triglycerides may be more important than either LDL or HDL, at least for males. This is based on the data for japanese lipids levels and how they apparently change with age. But it is a bit of a long story. (To avoid any doubt ..... 'low triglycerides' is good IF this analysis is correct). Rodney. > > > > > > After I cut carbs significantly, and added nuts, my HDL went up > >quite > > > significantly (from 55 to 105 mg/dl). > > > > > > > > > " E-Mail is not to be used to pass on information or data. It should > >only > > > be used for company business. " --Dilbert > > > > > > > > > " Ahh, they have the internet on computers now " - Homer J. Simpson > > > > > > " The human race has only one truly effective weapon, and that is > >laughter! " > > > - Mark Twain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...> > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > >Subject: [ ] HDL > > > >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:48:32 -0000 > > > > > > > >Hi guys: > > > > > > > >If anyone would be willing to share what happened to their HDL > >levels > > > >after they started CRON it would be appreciated. Also if anyone > >has > > > >suggestions for raising HDL that would be appreciated also. > > > > > > > >My HDL has long been in the 30 - 35 range, and only recently have I > > > >become aware that I ought to get it up at least to 45 if I can. > > > > > > > >If CRON will do that, then fine. But if not then I am actively > > > >experimenting with other foods currently and would consider other > > > >ideas for a future experiment. > > > > > > > >(I have a long list of things that have no effect on my HDL. > > > >Exercise is one. Wine as another.) Fish seems to raise it > > > >marginally. Niacin taken in large doses also is supposed to raise > > > >HDL but in the quantities needed is not well tolerated by most > > > >people, I am told. Thanks for any input. > > > > > > > >Rodney. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Crave some Miles or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are > >always > > > playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Crave some Miles or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always > playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Hi Rodney- On my low fat diet, I had completely avoided eating any nuts; whereas on the low carb diet I ate fairly large quantities of them. I think they certainly are part of the answer. Increased oily fish consuption probably also plays a role, as, I think, does overall meal macronutrient ratio. I think low carb diets usually result in lower triglycerides. I hope that is the case for me. I will have to get my triglycerides tested at my next check-up (perhaps within a week or so). I'll report the results when I have them. " E-Mail is not to be used to pass on information or data. It should only be used for company business. " --Dilbert " Ahh, they have the internet on computers now " - Homer J. Simpson " The human race has only one truly effective weapon, and that is laughter! " - Mark Twain >From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@...> >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] Re: HDL >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:28:04 -0000 > >Hi Chris: > >Many thanks for that. I wonder if it is the type of fat in nuts that >raised your HDL. I have recently added some safflower oil to my diet >on a regular basis hoping it may raise my HDL (without changing >LDL). Results not yet in. > >FWIW I suspect triglycerides may be more important than either LDL or >HDL, at least for males. This is based on the data for japanese >lipids levels and how they apparently change with age. But it is a >bit of a long story. (To avoid any doubt ..... 'low triglycerides' >is good IF this analysis is correct). > >Rodney. > > > > > > > > > > After I cut carbs significantly, and added nuts, my HDL went up > > >quite > > > > significantly (from 55 to 105 mg/dl). > > > > > > > > > > > > " E-Mail is not to be used to pass on information or data. It >should > > >only > > > > be used for company business. " --Dilbert > > > > > > > > > > > > " Ahh, they have the internet on computers now " - Homer J. >Simpson > > > > > > > > " The human race has only one truly effective weapon, and that is > > >laughter! " > > > > - Mark Twain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...> > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [ ] HDL > > > > >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:48:32 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Hi guys: > > > > > > > > > >If anyone would be willing to share what happened to their HDL > > >levels > > > > >after they started CRON it would be appreciated. Also if >anyone > > >has > > > > >suggestions for raising HDL that would be appreciated also. > > > > > > > > > >My HDL has long been in the 30 - 35 range, and only recently >have I > > > > >become aware that I ought to get it up at least to 45 if I can. > > > > > > > > > >If CRON will do that, then fine. But if not then I am actively > > > > >experimenting with other foods currently and would consider >other > > > > >ideas for a future experiment. > > > > > > > > > >(I have a long list of things that have no effect on my HDL. > > > > >Exercise is one. Wine as another.) Fish seems to raise it > > > > >marginally. Niacin taken in large doses also is supposed to >raise > > > > >HDL but in the quantities needed is not well tolerated by most > > > > >people, I am told. Thanks for any input. > > > > > > > > > >Rodney. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > Crave some Miles or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are > > >always > > > > playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Crave some Miles or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are >always > > playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! > > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio > _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Tue Nov 4, 2003 3:47 am Dowling" <dowlic@h...> WROTE: After I cut carbs significantly, and added nuts, my HDL went up quitesignificantly (from 55 to 105 mg/dl). Hi & ALL, Maybe you ought to consider the quality or type of HDL you have by doing the following test. It would certainly be interesting to know exactly which HDL lipid increases you have gained. HDL2 is the best, but you need to take a specific blood test to determine this. Cost is $94 from Direct Labs. See below: http://tinyurl.com/tnje /message/8686 The VAP Cholesterol Test · Directly measures total cholesterol · Directly measures HDL and separates into HDL2 and HDL3 (HDL2 is the "best" cholesterol and when low is a risk factor for CAD, HDL3 is the least protective HDL). This lipid test does much more than just the HDL above. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Yes, I'm curious about that, but, I'm also cheap, and I can't imagine I'm really at serious risk of cardiovascular disease with the lipid profile I've got currently. " E-Mail is not to be used to pass on information or data. It should only be used for company business. " --Dilbert " Ahh, they have the internet on computers now " - Homer J. Simpson " The human race has only one truly effective weapon, and that is laughter! " - Mark Twain >From: " crON Lite " <no-spam-please@...> >Reply- > " " < > >Subject: [ ] Re: HDL >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:57:14 -0600 > > >Tue Nov 4, 2003 3:47 am > Dowling " <dowlic@h...> WROTE: > >After I cut carbs significantly, and added nuts, my HDL went >up quite >significantly (from 55 to 105 mg/dl). > >Hi & ALL, > >Maybe you ought to consider the quality or type of HDL you >have by doing the following test. It would certainly be >interesting to know exactly which HDL lipid increases you >have gained. HDL2 is the best, but you need to take a >specific blood test to determine this. Cost is $94 from >Direct Labs. > >See below: > >http://tinyurl.com/tnje > > > /message/ >8686 > > >The VAP Cholesterol Test > > >· Directly measures total cholesterol > >· Directly measures HDL and > >separates into HDL2 and HDL3 > >(HDL2 is the " best " cholesterol and > >when low is a risk factor for CAD, > >HDL3 is the least protective HDL). > > > >This lipid test does much more than just the HDL above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. > _________________________________________________________________ From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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