Re: Overnight weight loss

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Hue: I can vary by as much as 5 lbs from night til the next morning. So

the answer is yes.

on 11/1/2003 7:50 PM, Hue at kargo_cult@... wrote:

> Anyone want to comment on this?

> I have a Tanita scale.

> From yesterday morning til today, i am about 5 lbs. down. 129 today

> and 134.+ yesterday. BF was yesterday about 7, today 5.7 ( IF this

> can be believed. ) Only thing i can think of, is i ate a fair amount of

> wheat product yesterday, and it seemed to pass thru me pretty

> quickly ( maybe not a food that agrees with me), apparently without

> much absorption at all?

> I am not in the least worried, understand. I am sure i can gain this

> back, if i want to, overnight. I have experienced this before on weekends,

> when i catch up on sleep from overdrafting the previous week.

> Has anyone else experienced that kind of overnight temporary weight

> loss? The last time it happened, i thought maybe the scale was going

> crazy, and i changed its batteries.

> Thanks-

> Hue

>

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Hi Hue:

Weight is lost overnight for a variety of reasons. Here are a few I

am aware of.

A) Most people lose about two pounds overnight in the normal course

of events every night simply from the loss of water by three routes:

urine, unnoticed perspiration, and breathing in mostly dry air but

breathing out air moist from evaporation in the lungs.

Additional weight can be lost if the contents of your intestines

are less when you weigh yourself in the morning than when you weighed

yourself the previous night. For the obvious reason.

C) Also, the amount of water retained, or excreted, by your body

depends considerably on the 'foods' you have recently consumed. Some

cause you to retain water, others to excrete it. For example, wine

and salt both cause you to retain water. Salt always, and wine

often, will make you thirsty as well, adding to your weight when you

drink to satisfy your thirst. Tea, on the other hand, causes you to

excrete more water than that contained in the tea you drink. So if,

say, you ate a salty meal with wine two nights ago, you would have

retained a lot of water. If then late yesterday you drank a lot of

tea, but no salt or wine, then overnight you would be excreting not

only much of the extra water you had absorbed two days ago, but also

more besides, because of the diuretic effect of the tea. There are

other foods too, as well as medications, that have a similar effect.

I once registered an eleven pound INCREASE in weight between one

morning and the next, because of the factors mentioned above. That

extra weight gradually disappeared over the next few days.

Rodney.

--- In , " Hue " <kargo_cult@m...>

wrote:

> Anyone want to comment on this?

> I have a Tanita scale.

> From yesterday morning til today, i am about 5 lbs. down. 129 today

> and 134.+ yesterday. BF was yesterday about 7, today 5.7 ( IF this

> can be believed. ) Only thing i can think of, is i ate a fair

amount of

> wheat product yesterday, and it seemed to pass thru me pretty

> quickly ( maybe not a food that agrees with me), apparently without

> much absorption at all?

> I am not in the least worried, understand. I am sure i can gain this

> back, if i want to, overnight. I have experienced this before on

weekends,

> when i catch up on sleep from overdrafting the previous week.

> Has anyone else experienced that kind of overnight temporary weight

> loss? The last time it happened, i thought maybe the scale was going

> crazy, and i changed its batteries.

> Thanks-

> Hue

[Guest guest]

The scale is probably working as well as it does. The weight is probably

accurate reflecting changes in volume of water and food in your digestive

tract.

The short term fluctuations in the fat measurement are influenced by your

body's electrical conduction which is modulated somewhat by changes in this

lower alimentary water. Of course body fat doesn't vary that much that

quickly.

I find the Tanita very accurate for weight, the fat measurement is more for

entertainment and identifying longer term trends.

In a related question I wonder about some of our more successful CRONies who

due to weight loss and high fiber diets are carrying a significant

percentage (>10%) of their body weight in water and transient matter held in

their digestive systems. If someone is trying to avoid dropping below a

certain threshold BMI for safety reasons their effective BMI might be lower

than simple measurements suggest. I'm not sure that this really matters, BMI

is already a fairly crude measure. I'm just thinking out loud.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Hue [mailto:kargo_cult@...]

Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 6:50 PM

Subject: [ ] Overnight weight loss

Anyone want to comment on this?

I have a Tanita scale.

>From yesterday morning til today, i am about 5 lbs. down. 129 today

and 134.+ yesterday. BF was yesterday about 7, today 5.7 ( IF this

can be believed. ) Only thing i can think of, is i ate a fair amount of

wheat product yesterday, and it seemed to pass thru me pretty

quickly ( maybe not a food that agrees with me), apparently without

much absorption at all?

I am not in the least worried, understand. I am sure i can gain this

back, if i want to, overnight. I have experienced this before on weekends,

when i catch up on sleep from overdrafting the previous week.

Has anyone else experienced that kind of overnight temporary weight

loss? The last time it happened, i thought maybe the scale was going

crazy, and i changed its batteries.

Thanks-

Hue

[Guest guest]

> Hue: I can vary by as much as 5 lbs from night til the

next morning. So

> the answer is yes.

>

Me too. Carbohidrates increase triglicerides and

makes you loose abdominal fat, specially overnight.

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Raw veggies cause diuresis which exceeds the water content of the veggies

themselves. Thus, a giant healthful salad in the evening will cause a much

greater water loss overnight than would an ordinary American-style dinner. Peg

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Interesting idea. I can see where instantaneous trigs are elevated by a low fat diet using stored fat and providing fatty acids to the cells to be burned. But after three years, and trigs at 76, the condition still exists where I excrete 4 to 6 pounds of water overnite. I relate that to the water content of veggies, the sodium I've eaten, and the fluid intake. The overnite is essentially a 12 hr fast where glys are burned and release their metabolizing water. I've been told that's 6 oz per 100 kcals. So if I burn 1200 kcals overnite, it would release 6*12 or 72 oz of water, or 4.5 pounds. The stored abdominal fat losses would be small since they do not release water when metabolized?

Regards.

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From: ronaldo.luiz.alonso

Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 2:58 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Overnight weight loss

> Hue: I can vary by as much as 5 lbs from night til thenext morning. So> the answer is yes.> Me too. Carbohidrates increase triglicerides andmakes you loose abdominal fat, specially overnight.__________________________________________________________________________Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela.AntiPop-up UOL - É grátis!http://antipopup.uol.com.br/

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Other than the greater potassium intake without supporting sodium, do we know what causes the diuresis?

Regards.

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From: hsanborn2@...

Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:45 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Overnight weight loss

Raw veggies cause diuresis which exceeds the water content of the veggies themselves. Thus, a giant healthful salad in the evening will cause a much greater water loss overnight than would an ordinary American-style dinner. Peg

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and a couple of overnight trips to the john, as well! :-))))

on 11/2/2003 11:45 AM, hsanborn2@... at hsanborn2@... wrote:

> Raw veggies cause diuresis which exceeds the water content of the veggies

> themselves. Thus, a giant healthful salad in the evening will cause a much

> greater water loss overnight than would an ordinary American-style dinner.

> Peg

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>I relate that to the water content of veggies, the sodiu

m

> I've eaten, and the fluid intake.

To be sure of exact ammount of calories burned,

weight yourself before eat and weight things you eat.

Do the balance and you will discover the aumount

of calories from TG you are burning overnight.

>The stored abdominal fat losses would be small since the

y do not release water when metabolized?

Yes, but depends.

My own experience tells me that the aumount of

fat metabolized overnight depends on my insulin

sensitivity:

High insulin sensitivity --> more fat burn overnight-->

more calories consumed --> lowering of insulin

sensitivity --> increased aging overnight.

I try to mantain my abdominal fat at minimum

to avoid high rate of aging in the overnight period

.... and the release of a lot of hair fall hormones

(testosterone).

-- Gandhi.

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I'm not sure the nickname (probably named after Crapper early inventor)

matches that activity.:-)

JR

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From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]

Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Overnight weight loss

and a couple of overnight trips to the john, as well! :-))))

on 11/2/2003 11:45 AM, hsanborn2@... at hsanborn2@... wrote:

> Raw veggies cause diuresis which exceeds the water content of the veggies

> themselves. Thus, a giant healthful salad in the evening will cause a

much

> greater water loss overnight than would an ordinary American-style dinner.

> Peg

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--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...>

wrote:

> Interesting idea. I can see where instantaneous trigs are elevated

by a low fat diet using stored fat and providing fatty acids to the

cells to be burned. But after three years, and trigs at 76, the

condition still exists where I excrete 4 to 6 pounds of water

overnite. I relate that to the water content of veggies, the sodium

I've eaten, and the fluid intake. The overnite is essentially a 12 hr

fast where glys are burned and release their metabolizing water. I've

been told that's 6 oz per 100 kcals. So if I burn 1200 kcals

overnite, it would release 6*12 or 72 oz of water, or 4.5 pounds. The

stored abdominal fat losses would be small since they do not release

water when metabolized?

>

> Regards.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: ronaldo.luiz.alonso

>

> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 2:58 AM

>

> > Hue: I can vary by as much as 5 lbs from night til the

> next morning. So

> > the answer is yes.

> >

> Me too. Carbohidrates increase triglicerides and

> makes you loose abdominal fat, specially overnight.

Hi All,

My opinion is that the biochemistry exhibited here is incorrect. I

and others have found that weight loss can be attributed to loss of

water, possibly in the form in fruits and vegetables if eaten in

later hours of the day.

My experience has been that restricting the water abundant fruits and

vegetables in later evening, water intake and reducing water build-up

in my lower, especially left, extremities by elevating my legs help

immensely. The difference has been from greater than 10 pounds/night

to less than 2.

Cheers, Al.

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Hi Al,

Thanks, but I'm not sure what biochemistry you are saying is incorrect. The:

"Carbohidrates increase triglicerides and makes you loose abdominal fat, specially overnight."?

I don't think I have a large water buidup not supported by carbo intake, as in edema. My weight does build up during the day - I do drink a lot of fluid, but I also pee a lot if indoors. I agree that my weight loss over night is due to low fat veggie diet. I have my weight calibrated close enough that I can predict how much I will lose usually about 1/4 # per day when I purposely want to lose weight. That amount would be difficult to quantify in terms of abdominal fat, trigs, or other.

Regards.

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From: old542000

Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:55 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Overnight weight loss

> Interesting idea. I can see where instantaneous trigs are elevated by a low fat diet using stored fat and providing fatty acids to the cells to be burned. But after three years, and trigs at 76, the condition still exists where I excrete 4 to 6 pounds of water overnite. I relate that to the water content of veggies, the sodium I've eaten, and the fluid intake. The overnite is essentially a 12 hr fast where glys are burned and release their metabolizing water. I've been told that's 6 oz per 100 kcals. So if I burn 1200 kcals overnite, it would release 6*12 or 72 oz of water, or 4.5 pounds. The stored abdominal fat losses would be small since they do not release water when metabolized? > > Regards.> ----- Original Message ----- > From: ronaldo.luiz.alonso > > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 2:58 AM> > > Hue: I can vary by as much as 5 lbs from night til the> next morning. So> > the answer is yes.> > > Me too. Carbohidrates increase triglicerides and> makes you loose abdominal fat, specially overnight.Hi All,My opinion is that the biochemistry exhibited here is incorrect. I and others have found that weight loss can be attributed to loss of water, possibly in the form in fruits and vegetables if eaten in later hours of the day.My experience has been that restricting the water abundant fruits and vegetables in later evening, water intake and reducing water build-up in my lower, especially left, extremities by elevating my legs help immensely. The difference has been from greater than 10 pounds/night to less than 2.Cheers, Al.

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--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...>

wrote:

> Hi Al,

>

> I don't think I have a large water buidup not supported by carbo

intake, as in edema.

Hi All,

Measure the circumference of the ankles at night and in the morning,

as I do, to measure edema.

Cheers, Al.