Re: Daily vitamin and mineral questions

[Guest guest]

Brad: Welcome to the group! We don't have a specific recommendation and

everyone has his/her own ideas about this. It's a complex, ever-changing

subject. Actually lately we've been talking about how BAD oversupplemention

can be for you! I started out with many supplements and now only take

melatonin regularly.

I personally would recommend just a good " one a day " type vitamin supplement

if you feel this is necessary. As I said, I don't take one myself. With an

excellent diet, you can easily get all the rda's (even the difficult to find

ones such as zinc, vit d etc.)

I know I'm healthy because I rarely get sick.

on 10/30/2003 10:53 AM, Brad Bolz at bradbolz@... wrote:

> I have questions about daily vitamin and mineral supplements.

Does this group have a selected ingredient list? Does this group

use a specific product(s) offered by Life Extension? I know Walford

suggests that supplements are necessary regardless of how well we eat.

[Guest guest]

Brad, I'm glad that you posted this message, as I have been thinking

about supplements a lot lately, and had been thinking of asking

everone one on this list to post their supplements, so we could all

compare.

Here is a list of the supplements I take, without dosage amounts

because I am at work and don't have the numbers in front of me:

In the morning:

Men's Multivitamin

Acetyl-L-Carnitine

Alpha Lipoic Acid

Resveratrol

CoQ10

Selenium

A multi-nutrient for cognitive function (Ginko, DHA, Sage, etc.)

1 clove of garlic

In the evening:

Additional vitamin C and E

Acetyl-L-Carnitine

Alpha Lipoic Acid

Resveratrol

CoQ10

Selenium

A multi-nutrient for cognitive function (Ginko, DHA, Sage, etc.)

I am also about to purchase and begin taking Carnosine.

I am considering purchasing my supplements from Life Extension as well.

-Dominick

> I have questions about daily vitamin and mineral supplements.

> [...]

[Guest guest]

For Rodney, I suggest you try to contract directly one or more of those experimenters via e mail. One, Weindruch at the U. of Wisconsin, is doing monkeys now but did do mice, and I know he has a web site. Should be easy to contact. He studied under Walford. Another is Mark P. Mattson, PhD. chief of the neurosciences lab at the National Institute on Aging. Peg

[Guest guest]

Hi Brad:

I am certainly no authority on nutritional supplements, but I do have

a couple of 'observations' that I think may be relevant.

First, when I initially decided to take some supplements - many years

ago - I did some calculations on two of them. One was folic acid,

and the other may have been vitamin E. What I calculated was how

much of the substance I would be consuming if I took one

tablet/capsule per week compared with the average (poorly fed) north

american.

What I found in both cases was that if I were to take one a week I

would be consuming approximately ten times as much as anyone who did

not take supplements. Then I asked myself: 'Is ten times as much

enough? Or do I really need seventy times as much? - taking it daily

instead of weekly'. I still don't know the answer. But the

conclusion I came to at the time was that daily might be a case of

overdosing. So the supplements I take I take once a week.

Second, in the CR experiments done on rats and mice where they were

found to live 50% longer than normally fed rats, what were they

feeding them? Were they feeding them simply a 40% less than normal

amount of regular lab chow? OR WERE THEY FEEDING THEM 40% LESS THAN

NORMAL LAB CHOW PLUS ALL KINDS OF ADDITIONAL NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS?

I don't know the answer to this either. But I would bet anyone here

a beer that it was just the chow. Without any elaborate list of

additional supplements. If so, and I plan in the next little while

to find out (can anyone refer me to articles on the rat/mice

experiments, please?), then that is telling us something I think.

I would be happy to list the supplements I take - about half a dozen

once a week - but I am far from sure it would be of value for anyone

else to read it : ^ )

Rodney.

--- In , " Brad Bolz " <bradbolz@c...>

wrote:

> I have questions about daily vitamin and mineral

supplements. I'm

> looking for the best pre-packaged supplement regimen. There are

many

> companies offering daily packets (Shaklee, Nature's Best, Atkins,

Trader

> Joe's Pantheon Pack, etc.) I've been mixing my own, but know so

little

> about what is potentially damaging, I've been afraid to " over-dose "

on

> anything not water soluble, and have concerns even over the water

> solubles.... yet, these pre-packaged daily packets all have up to

5000% of

> the rda on some ingredients.

>

> Long time family friend and physician, Dr. Anonymous from

> Hawaii....suggested the Pantheon Pack from Trader Joe's.

>

> Does this group have a selected ingredient list? Does this

group

> use a specific product(s) offered by Life Extension? I know Walford

> suggests that supplements are necessary regardless of how well we

eat.

>

> Here's my current list of daily ingredients, feel free to

pick them

> apart and to suggest doing something different. Also, if I happen

to be

> killing myself with some of this stuff, feel free to use ALL CAPS!

>

> Live long and prosper!

>

> Brad :-)

>

> Cell Forte' with IP-6 & Inositol IP-6 800mg

>

> B-Complex 50 GNC

> Thiamin Mononitrate 50 mg (B1) 3333%

> Riboflavin 50 mg (B2) 2941%

> Niacinamide 50 mg 250%

> Pyridoxine hydrochloride 50 mg (B6) 2500%

> Folic Acid 400 mcg 100% 2x daily

> Cyanocobalamin 50 mg (B12) 833%

> Biotin 50 mg 17%

> Calcium d-Pantothenate 50 mg 500% Pantothenic

Acid

> Choline Bitartrate 50 mg

> Inositol 50 mg

> Para-Aminobenzoic Acid 50 mg (PABA)

>

> Fish Body Oils 1000 w/omega 3 fatty acids GNC

1,000mg

> EPA (Eicosapentaenoic Acid) 180 mg

> DHA (Docasahexaenoic Acid) 120 mg

>

> Vitamin E E-Gems Carlson 400iu 2x daily 2667%

> As d-alpha tocopheryl acetate from soy

>

> Ginseng Gold, ginseng & royal jelly Korean 300mg & 100 mg

> Korean White Ginseng Root Powder 300 mg (4%

Ginsenosides)

> Royal Jelly Powder 100 mg

>

> Saw Palmetto (Fingerprinted) GNC 500mg

> (Serenoa repens) Saw Palmetto Berry Powder 500 mg

>

> Osteo Bi-Flex glucosamine & chondroitin 250mg & 200mg

> Glucosamine HCL 1.5 g

> Chondroitin Sulfate 1.2 g

> Sodium 100 mg 4%

>

> Calcium oyster shell & D HyVee

1,000mg &

> 400iu

> Cholecalciferol 500 iu 100% Vitamin D

> Oyster Shell 1000 mg 100% Calcium

>

> Garlique calcium 26mg, iron 3mg, & garlic powder 400mg

Sunsource

> Calcium 26 mg

> Iron 3 mg

> Garlic Powder (bulb) 400 mg

>

> Vitasana w/ginseng G115 1 capsule twice daily

Pharmaton

> *Products in Vitasana

> Vitamin A 4000iu 80%

> Vitamin C 120 mg 200%

> Vitamin D 400 iu 100%

> Vitamin E 30 iu 100%

> Thiamine 2.4mg (B1) 160%

> Riboflavin 3.4 mg (B2) 200%

> Niacin 30 mg (B3) 150%

> Vitamin B6 4 mg 200%

> Folic Acid 400mg 100%

> Vitamin B12 2mcg 20%

> Calcium 200 mg 100%

> Iron 18 mg 100%

> Phosphorus 160 mg 16%

> Magnesium 20 mg 5%

> Zinc 2 mg 13%

> Copper 2 mg 100%

> Manganese 2 mg 100%

> Standardized G115

> Ginseng Extract 80 mg (from Panax Ginseng, C.A.

Meyer)

> (root)