Re: Re: [CR] A rather interesting website

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Hello List:

Warren wrote:

> knowledge in the field of anti-aging science and

we will

> keep you informed on practical techniques of how

to boost

> energy and health.

My claim that fasting and caloric restriction

boosts energy level are contained in the above

lines: Something strange happens in the fasting

state. Sure, the production of energy is what

causes the damage and mithocondria is the

damaged organella. But when you give the cell

" a rest " it partially recover itself, but the

recovery is only partial ...

For me it is ease to stay a day without eat and

keep things in a dormant state, because when I eat

(Mike Collella's phrase) I awake the sleeping beast

-- Gandhi

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> Wow -- this is a great website on Calorie Restriction, and a

> good description of it that AJ gives us (see AJ's URL below).

> I like the information on fasting, which is lucid and concise:

>

> http://www.anti-aging-guide.com/30fasting.php

Well, as long as this site can be touted here, i think i can feel

free to mention some criticism. I found the homepage to be

very crowded, and all the fasting-plans over to the right,

just a confusion. Also, i followed the " Religious Support "

lead, and found the material there in strange juxtaposition to

the scientific study material referenced elsewhere on the site.

Rather than waste life energy to " win God's grace " and

" work out your Salvation " , i'd recommend " escape from the

seductions of illogic " and " work our your own Evolution, up

from purely instinctual living "

-Hue

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I agree with Hue. Strangely suspicious. ESPECIALLY since they're asking

for donations. Warren: you may be a bit too trusting, especially when you

know very little about whom/where your money may really be going.

on 10/18/2003 9:48 PM, Hue at kargo_cult@... wrote:

> Also, i followed the " Religious Support "

> lead, and found the material there in strange juxtaposition to

> the scientific study material referenced elsewhere on the site.

> Rather than waste life energy to " win God's grace " and

> " work out your Salvation " , i'd recommend " escape from the

> seductions of illogic " and " work our your own Evolution, up

> from purely instinctual living "

Warren wrote: The donation

page reads this way:

" " We would much appreciate your support! Your donations will

help us in two ways:

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Hue wrote:

> lead, and found the material there in strange juxtaposi

tion tothe scientific study material referenced elsewhere

on the site.

Hue I agree 100% with your position to reject anything

that is not scientifical and scientifically proved.

This is a great position to adopt.

But by now, many questions and doubts arouse

into my mind:

Why exactly Bible prescribe fasting to their folowers?

Is it a mere " suffering " for " erasing the sins " or

there's a more profound reason?

Did the ancient people knew the anti-aging properties

of fasting? Did the ancient people knew that the

fasting increases lifespan and retard aging even before

MacCay discovered CR cientifically in 1935?

Well... Interesting question. I cannot say

anything about it. But we can suspect.

But **IF** (a very huge *IF*) this

knowledge was present in the biblical people, namely

that " INTERMITENT FASTING INCREASES LIFESPAN " then

the experiment of CR in humans could have already been

done AND is so, as the Bible says

that human lifespan is not grater than 120 years

(Genesis), we cannot expect to reach 150 even in

ultra extreme starving diet

Unfortunately, this information is not present in

the Bible. NOT IN THIS TERMS. Scientifically speaking

then, we cannot conclude anything.

The Bible has also strange citations:

In the book Ecleasiastes for example

you may find something like

" if you were forced to eat in a party, go on and vomit

it all in order for not getting a desease " . ??

(bulimia??)

In the words I wrote above (to make things *clear*

in this post of mine)

I'm not viewing nor interprenting the Bible as an

religious or mistical book inspired by God.

I'm interpreting it as an source of information:

The fact that are rare strange citations in

the Bible that somehow agree with nowdays

observations makes

it a book to be analized, not religiously, but

as a source of human experience.

PS: I didn't mean to be provocative. Please forgive-me if

some words of mine sounded ofensive or improper

to some people in this group.

Fell free to criticize anything present in this post.

-- Gandhi.

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From: " ronaldo.luiz.alonso " <ronaldo.luiz.alonso@...>

PS: I didn't mean to be provocative. Please forgive-me if

some words of mine sounded ofensive or improper

to some people in this group.

Fell free to criticize anything present in this post.

-- Gandhi.

Unless some there's some post that is a personal attack on

a person here, i certainly don't think there's a reason for

anyone to apologize.

I think, sometimes, that as i control the appetite for food,

this increased control, trying to live a more logical,

reasoned life, and less the purely instinctual lilfe, has

benefits in all other areas of my life. " The captain is becoming

a better man on the job, so the crew also has to come

around to better, smarter behavior. " ( to use a metaphor...)

I am sure this experience parallels the experiences of

pioneers in ages past, who did fasting and self-control

experiments also, but under the inspiration of religion.

-Hue

[Guest guest]

Hello Gandhi and CR ALL:

A fasting period (no eating) does not need to be long. Even a short

14-hour to 24-hour period is beneficial to clean the body of its

metabolic waste.

Some people feel so good, that they want to fast longer! This was a

surprise for me when I had my first experiences. And I felt like

I was master of my body too, which soon became effortless. And it

saved time and bother, to avoid the trouble of preparing food and

the hassle of eating and cleaning up. The benefits go on and on.

Per your remarks below Gandhi, Yes ... it is amazing, maybe even

sensational... that hunger disappears entirely during the fasting

period when no food is consumed. And more surprising yet... that

energy levels are fortified and maintained strong, to gain an

extra improvement in personal productivity.

Also it is a time of peace and control, where there is a sense of

quiet and empowerment. This peace creates a well-being and calm

that puts you in charge of your thinking and helps to focus your

energy.

The fasting experience coupled with CR really delivers a doubled

benefit... lower calories... and a much easier and more joyful CR

experience.

-- Warren

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On 18 Oct 2003, o.luiz.alonso wrote:

> Warren wrote:

> Knowledge in the field of anti-aging science and we will

> keep you informed on practical techniques of how to boost

> energy and health.

My claim that fasting and caloric restriction

boosts energy level are contained in the above

lines: Something strange happens in the fasting

state. Sure, the production of energy is what

causes the damage and mitochondria is the

damaged organella. But when you give the cell

" a rest " it partially recover itself, but the

recovery is only partial ...

For me it is ease to stay a day without eating and

keep things in a dormant state, because when I eat

(Mike Collella's phrase) I awaken the sleeping beast

-- Gandhi