Guest guest Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 My dog Betsy, a 10-year-old Cairn, has been a CRONIE for about2 years. Her vet tells me he has never seen a terrier her age in such great condition. Peg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 Michele: welcome to you and Gillie. Yes he is the first dog on the list (although we don't ask members if they're humans or dogs :-))). However dogs have come up as a topic previously. There was a study in which dogs lived longer/were healthier on the CRON diet than dogs who ate ad lib. So you're doing the right thing for Gillie!!. The cookie recipe sounds super. Can it be made without sugar? on 10/17/2003 3:35 PM, Michele Pitonyak at map1@... wrote: > Francesca, does that " others " include dogs? I have been lurking for many > months now and I guess it's about time I popped in to say hi. I didn't > actually join the list for me...I joined for my dog. He has allergies and I > had to go to a home cooked diet for him and one thing lead to > another...well, here we are. Is Gillie the first CRONing dog on the list?.......... Cloud Cookies 2 egg whites (room temperature) 1 1/2 tsps. cider vinegar dash of salt 1 tsp. cocoa powder 1 Tbs. Sugar (or molasses but doesn't whip as well) Splenda to taste (I use 2 packets) Preheat oven to 400 degrees Put vinegar, salt and egg whites into a stainless steel bowl and beat until frothy. Sprinkle in cocoa powder then slowly add sugar and splenda and whip until egg whites form peaks. Spoon onto cookie sheets (I lightly butter the cookie sheets because I hate to scrub off the protein residue) and place in 400 degree oven and TURN OVEN OFF. Leave in oven for several hours or over night. Makes 14 to 16 cookies. Note. amount of cookies will very depending on how much air is whipped into egg whites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 > you're doing the right thing for Gillie!!. The cookie recipe sounds super. > Can it be made without sugar? Well, I didn't know so I toddled off to the kitchen to find out and the answer is Yes. I made a batch using 3 packets of splenda (no sugar) and it turned out just fine. The egg whites didn't whip quite as full but they baked and tasted fine....see I told you they were quick and easy. ) Michele & the Fur Kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 Ooops...I spoke too soon. There was a problem with the no sugar version of the cookies. With out the sugar they are so delicate that the cookies easily crumble to powder. This is the same problem that I run into with the doggie version and the solution is easy. Just seal the cookies in a air tight container with a chunk of apple, or eat the apple and put the core in the container ;o) and the moisture will rehydrate the cookies to a soft leathery texture. Does anyone know where I can find the nutritional content of chicken bones? I have looked everywhere and have never been able to find the numbers for the mones and thier marrow. Michele & the Fur Kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 I'm not sure but if you can find a listing for simple chicken broth it might give you some insight. As long as were talking about food, does anybody know a good substitute for 's Cream of Mushroom soup? I am trying to zero out trans fats in my diet and the 98% fat free lists some hydrogenated oil in that 2%. I use this in a few recipes for texture and at <2% it's probably not a significant amount but it's not zero. JR -----Original Message----- From: Michele Pitonyak [mailto:map1@...] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [ ]dogs and CRON Ooops...I spoke too soon. There was a problem with the no sugar version of the cookies. With out the sugar they are so delicate that the cookies easily crumble to powder. This is the same problem that I run into with the doggie version and the solution is easy. Just seal the cookies in a air tight container with a chunk of apple, or eat the apple and put the core in the container ;o) and the moisture will rehydrate the cookies to a soft leathery texture. Does anyone know where I can find the nutritional content of chicken bones? I have looked everywhere and have never been able to find the numbers for the mones and thier marrow. Michele & the Fur Kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 > Michele: welcome to you and Gillie. Yes he is the first dog on > the list (although we don't ask members if they're humans or dogs > :-))). *****Sheesh! This list is really going to dogs! :-)))) (Sorry...I couldn't resist...as a person who feels a deep connection to animals -- even if I eat 'em from time to time -- I appreciate anything we can do to help ALL other sentient life forms live fuller, healthier lives...well...perhaps not sharks...yuck!) ~ andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 Very interesting info. Thanks. Could you be a little more specific about what kind of CRON diet your dog is on, please? Dogs, of course, are carnivores. Do you mean simply calorie restriction but mostly meat? Or are you feeding your dog a calorie restricted diet primarily of vegetables (the CRON diet recommended by Walford)? > My dog Betsy, a 10-year-old Cairn, has been a CRONIE for about2 years. Her > vet tells me he has never seen a terrier her age in such great condition. Peg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 I have a wonderful recipe for tarragon chicken. One of its key ingredients is a can of cream of mushroom soup. I have developed a substitute for it, by replicating all but the high fat ingredients on the can's list of ingredients. But it takes hours to make the substitute! If you still want it I will try to dig it up. Email me if you like. The recipe is still very good, but not as good as with the high fat soup. Rodney. --- In , " john roberts " <johnhrob@n...> wrote: > I'm not sure but if you can find a listing for simple chicken broth it might > give you some insight. > > As long as were talking about food, does anybody know a good substitute for > 's Cream of Mushroom soup? I am trying to zero out trans fats in my > diet and the 98% fat free lists some hydrogenated oil in that 2%. I use this > in a few recipes for texture and at <2% it's probably not a significant > amount but it's not zero. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michele Pitonyak [mailto:map1@s...] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 6:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [ ]dogs and CRON > > > Ooops...I spoke too soon. > There was a problem with the no sugar version of the cookies. With out the > sugar they are so delicate that the cookies easily crumble to powder. This > is the same problem that I run into with the doggie version and the solution > is easy. Just seal the cookies in a air tight container with a chunk of > apple, or eat the apple and put the core in the container ;o) and the > moisture will rehydrate the cookies to a soft leathery texture. > > Does anyone know where I can find the nutritional content of chicken bones? > I have looked everywhere and have never been able to find the numbers for > the mones and thier marrow. > > Michele & the Fur Kids > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 I'll point out the obvious by stating that dogs have different ON requirements than humans. Of course, in the rodent experiments it's really CR(an)... Cheers, > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...] > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 7:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [ ]dogs and CRON > > > Very interesting info. Thanks. > > Could you be a little more specific about what kind of CRON diet your > dog is on, please? Dogs, of course, are carnivores. Do you mean > simply calorie restriction but mostly meat? Or are you feeding your > dog a calorie restricted diet primarily of vegetables (the CRON diet > recommended by Walford)? > > > > > My dog Betsy, a 10-year-old Cairn, has been a CRONIE for about2 > years. Her > > vet tells me he has never seen a terrier her age in such great > condition. Peg > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2003 Report Share Posted October 19, 2003 From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@...> < > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:39 AM > Could you be a little more specific about what kind of CRON diet your > dog is on, please? Dogs, of course, are carnivores. Do you mean > simply calorie restriction but mostly meat? Or are you feeding your > dog a calorie restricted diet primarily of vegetables Unlike cats, dogs are not obligate carnivores. They are actually omnivores but they lack the ability to properly chew vegetation (raw) and they have a short digestive track so they don't break it down well either. Dogs are also opportunistic eaters....they eat what they find, when they find it. The worlds oldest living dog (August 2002) , a Border Collie, living in England, is 26 years old. He is still active, swims once a week and is fed a regular diet of lentils, rice and vegetables. Yes, that's a 26 year old vegetarian dog. Gillie has a food sensitivity to grain, especially corn and rice. His daily diet consists of Chicken, ground beef (only because chicken is low in zinc), chicken liver (if I have it), pureed chicken bones, split peas, powdered egg shells, canned pumpkin, low sodium V8, potato flakes, tapioca and molasses. He also gets some cooked mixed vegetables (usually collards, broccoli, green beans, and frozen mixed veggies). Occasionally he will get canned mackerel and sweet potatoes instead of his regular food. I just limit how much I feed him. As well as the occasional box of kleenex. I wonder, how many calories are in kleenex? ) Michele & the Fur Kids Conneaut, Ohio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2003 Report Share Posted October 19, 2003 , I really enjoyed your thoughts about doggie diets. I have a couple of thoughts. You said dogs have a hard time digesting veggies because they can't chew...I agree with that...they don't have the chewing mechanism we have. I have found, however, if the veggies are cooked well enough and/or broken down (chopped up to a mushy consistency) in a food processor...then vegetables are digestible to them. I can tell when my dog can't digest something when I pick up her poop....if it's not then I see pieces of whatever she isn't digesting. Thanks for sharing! a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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