Re: Poll: Why Do People Do CRON?

[Guest guest]

I might add "Reading Walford's very first book

[Guest guest]

Ok. Easy enough to do - thank you Warren. This is what I currently have as

the question: " What drew you to a CRON diet? " Listed are four choices: 1)

a preexisting medical condition 2) reading the literature 3) seeing Dr

Walford on tv or 4) other.

Please post any improvements, or suggestions to this question and the answer

options. We are allowed up to 10 options to check off and answer.

on 10/20/2003 4:19 PM, Warren at warren.taylor@... wrote:

> Yes, yes, let's do an internet poll. Brilliant idea, and

> thanks for suggesting it. Ingenious!

[Guest guest]

I suggest adding: " Interest in extending life-span "

-Dominick

> Ok. Easy enough to do - thank you Warren. This is what I currently

have as

> the question: " What drew you to a CRON diet? " Listed are four

choices: 1)

> a preexisting medical condition 2) reading the literature 3) seeing Dr

> Walford on tv or 4) other.

>

> Please post any improvements, or suggestions to this question and

the answer

> options. We are allowed up to 10 options to check off and answer.

[Guest guest]

Ok. will do.

on 10/20/2003 4:54 PM, Dominick at chiprunner1995@... wrote:

> I suggest adding: " Interest in extending life-span "

>

> -Dominick

[Guest guest]

this would be included under " reading the literature " .

on 10/20/2003 6:02 PM, hsanborn2@... at hsanborn2@... wrote:

> I might add " Reading Walford's very first book

>

[Guest guest]

and then what? Did you read more about it, for example?

Weren't you told by your doctor (as you explained earlier) that it would

help your auto-immune condition? (which would fit under " pre-existing

medical condition " )

on 10/20/2003 5:40 PM, J E Dog at jackedog@... wrote:

> Ok. Then I would break down other to Referred by Friend.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Francesca and CR ALL:

Ahhh, well-worded. I wonder, is the question more specifically:

1) " What is the #1 reason that motivated us to try a CRON diet,

after we learned about it " ?

or ...

2) " How did we find out about the CRON diet? "

I ask that, because per your suggestions below Francesca,

reading the CRON literature (choice 2) and seeing Dr Walford

on TV (choice 3) are ways to learn about CRON.

But a pre-existing medical condition (choice 1) is a reason

to begin a CRON diet, after we have learned about CRON.

Other possible #1 reasons to begin a CRON diet:

-- Loss of a loved one?

-- Desire to help spouse/family/friend by our example?

-- Matter of principle: Search for best diet, best health possible?

-- Personal desire to stay attractive and slim?

-- Desire to please spouse/family/loved one/others?

-- Needed a GOOD diet to control excess weight?

-- Fear of early death, with need to correct past errors?

-- Commitment to self/God, to be the best I can be?

-- Desire to live long, happy, and healthy as possible?

-- Fear of an illness/disease that would surely kill me?

-- Science of CR fascinated me?

-- So many benefits, I absolutely had to get serious?

-- So disgusted at myself, needed to change?

-- (What reasons are missing ??????)

-- Other reason (None of the above)

.....................................................

Other questions I would be interested in:

(1) How did you first learn about and get introduced to CR?

-- Need a list of ways to learn.

(2) What first motivated you in beginning to get started on CR?

-- Need a list of reasons to choose from, like above.

(3) What now keeps you motivated to continue on CR?

-- Need a list of reasons to choose from, like above.

(4) What was most difficult part of CR for you when beginning?

-- Need a list of beginning difficulties.

(5) What is now the most difficult part of CR for you?

-- Need a list of difficulties facing now.

(6) Current BMI?

(16-; 16+ - 18; 18+ - 20; 20+ - 22; 22+ - 25; 25+ - 30; 30+)

(7) Numerical change in BMI? (Beginning BMI minus Current BMI).

(0 - 1; 1+ - 2; 2+ - 3; 3+ - 4; 4+ - 5; 5+ - 6; 6+ - 7; 7+ - 8; 8+)

(8) Number of pounds lost on CR?

(0 - 5; 5+ - 10; 10+ - 20; 20+ - 30; 30+ - 50; 50+ - 75; 75+ - 100;

100+)

(9) Months duration on CR?

(0 - 3; 3+ - 12; 12+ - 24; 24+ - 48; 48+ - 96; 96+)

(10) CR dietary preference (carbohydrate/protein/fat)

(Walford: 60/20/20; Sears: 30/40/30; Atkins: 10/60/30)

(11) Gender (M; F)

(12) Age (20-; 20+ - 30; 30+ - 40; 40+ -50; 50+ - 60; 60+)

(13) Highest years of education obtained?

(8 - 12; 12+ - 14; 14+ - 16; 16+ - 18; 18+ - 20; 20+)

(14) -- ???? Other Questions ????

-- Warren

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On 20 Oct 2003, Francesca wrote:

Ok. Easy enough to do - thank you Warren. This is what I currently

have as the question: " What drew you to a CRON diet? "

Listed are four choices:

1) a preexisting medical condition

2) reading the literature

3) seeing Dr Walford on TV or

4) other.

Please post any improvements, or suggestions to this question

and the answer options. We are allowed up to 10 options to

check off and answer.

on 10/20/2003 4:19 PM, Warren at warren.taylor wrote:

> Yes, yes, let's do an internet poll. Brilliant idea, and

> thanks for suggesting it. Ingenious!

[Guest guest]

So many great questions Warren, perhaps instead of or in addition to a

poll, a text file should be created with all these questions. Then new

members of this community could answer them as an introduction.

-Dominick

> [...]

>

> Other questions I would be interested in:

>

> [...]

[Guest guest]

Yes many belong in a database file. However when we once tried to get info

into the database, but there wasn't enough interest. Putting info into the

database is a bit more complicated for people than answering a poll and

perhaps that was the problem.

And we can only poll one question at a time. And as said previously, there

is only room for 10 options. I'm condensing Warren's post now.

on 10/20/2003 6:59 PM, Dominick at chiprunner1995@... wrote:

> So many great questions Warren, perhaps instead of or in addition to a

> poll, a text file should be created with all these questions. Then new

> members of this community could answer them as an introduction.

>

> -Dominick

[Guest guest]

Good ideas Warren. Why don't we start with your question #1?

" What is the #1 reason that motivated us to try a CRON diet, after we

learned about it " ? (One question per poll ). Some of your options

overlap. And we only have room for 10 anyway. How about these?

> -- Interest in extending lifespan

> -- Personal desire to stay attractive and slim?

> -- Desire to please spouse/family/loved one/others?

> -- Needed a healthful diet to control excess weight?

> -- Desire to live long, happy, and healthy as possible?

> -- Fear of an illness/disease that would surely kill me?

> -- Science of CR fascinated me?

> -- So disgusted at myself, needed to change?

> -- Other reason (None of the above)

on 10/20/2003 6:50 PM, Warren at warren.taylor@... wrote:

> Hello Francesca and CR ALL:

>

> Ahhh, well-worded. I wonder, is the question more specifically:

>

> 1) " What is the #1 reason that motivated us to try a CRON diet,

> after we learned about it " ?

> or ...

> 2) " How did we find out about the CRON diet? "

>

> I ask that, because per your suggestions below Francesca,

> reading the CRON literature (choice 2) and seeing Dr Walford

> on TV (choice 3) are ways to learn about CRON.

>

> But a pre-existing medical condition (choice 1) is a reason

> to begin a CRON diet, after we have learned about CRON.

>

> Other possible #1 reasons to begin a CRON diet:

>

> -- Loss of a loved one?

> -- Desire to help spouse/family/friend by our example?

> -- Matter of principle: Search for best diet, best health possible?

> -- Personal desire to stay attractive and slim?

> -- Desire to please spouse/family/loved one/others?

> -- Needed a GOOD diet to control excess weight?

> -- Fear of early death, with need to correct past errors?

> -- Commitment to self/God, to be the best I can be?

> -- Desire to live long, happy, and healthy as possible?

> -- Fear of an illness/disease that would surely kill me?

> -- Science of CR fascinated me?

> -- So many benefits, I absolutely had to get serious?

> -- So disgusted at myself, needed to change?

> -- (What reasons are missing ??????)

> -- Other reason (None of the above)

> ....................................................

>

> Other questions I would be interested in:

>

> (1) How did you first learn about and get introduced to CR?

> -- Need a list of ways to learn.

> (2) What first motivated you in beginning to get started on CR?

> -- Need a list of reasons to choose from, like above.

> (3) What now keeps you motivated to continue on CR?

> -- Need a list of reasons to choose from, like above.

> (4) What was most difficult part of CR for you when beginning?

> -- Need a list of beginning difficulties.

> (5) What is now the most difficult part of CR for you?

> -- Need a list of difficulties facing now.

> (6) Current BMI?

> (16-; 16+ - 18; 18+ - 20; 20+ - 22; 22+ - 25; 25+ - 30; 30+)

> (7) Numerical change in BMI? (Beginning BMI minus Current BMI).

> (0 - 1; 1+ - 2; 2+ - 3; 3+ - 4; 4+ - 5; 5+ - 6; 6+ - 7; 7+ - 8; 8+)

> (8) Number of pounds lost on CR?

> (0 - 5; 5+ - 10; 10+ - 20; 20+ - 30; 30+ - 50; 50+ - 75; 75+ - 100;

> 100+)

> (9) Months duration on CR?

> (0 - 3; 3+ - 12; 12+ - 24; 24+ - 48; 48+ - 96; 96+)

> (10) CR dietary preference (carbohydrate/protein/fat)

> (Walford: 60/20/20; Sears: 30/40/30; Atkins: 10/60/30)

> (11) Gender (M; F)

> (12) Age (20-; 20+ - 30; 30+ - 40; 40+ -50; 50+ - 60; 60+)

> (13) Highest years of education obtained?

> (8 - 12; 12+ - 14; 14+ - 16; 16+ - 18; 18+ - 20; 20+)

> (14) -- ???? Other Questions ????

>

> -- Warren

[Guest guest]

I accidently stumbled accross CRON while searching the internet for

nutritional information on ingredients to make dog food for the furball (now

that he is growing show coat...he really IS a furball).

Michele & the Fur Kids

[Guest guest]

At 06:08 PM 10/20/2003, you wrote:

>and then what? Did you read more about it, for example?

>

>Weren't you told by your doctor (as you explained earlier) that it would

>help your auto-immune condition? (which would fit under " pre-existing

>medical condition " )

Not exactly. My husband was interested in it first and brought it up.

My gastro asked what I was eating for my supposed crohn's/celiac disease

and I told

I was avoiding all celiac based food. He said I'd recommend CALORIE

RESTRICTION

also until all the tests were done. I mentioned CRON from my husband and he

said, SAME DIFFERENCE.

E--

PS Didn't end up having either. It was a different autoimmune (thryoiditis)

disease that causes my troubles.

>on 10/20/2003 5:40 PM, J E Dog at jackedog@... wrote:

>

> > Ok. Then I would break down other to Referred by Friend.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

At 06:50 PM 10/20/2003, you wrote:

>Hello Francesca and CR ALL:

>

>Ahhh, well-worded. I wonder, is the question more specifically:

>

>1) " What is the #1 reason that motivated us to try a CRON diet,

> after we learned about it " ?

>or ...

>2) " How did we find out about the CRON diet? "

>

>I ask that, because per your suggestions below Francesca,

>reading the CRON literature (choice 2) and seeing Dr Walford

>on TV (choice 3) are ways to learn about CRON.

>

>But a pre-existing medical condition (choice 1) is a reason

>to begin a CRON diet, after we have learned about CRON.

>

>Other possible #1 reasons to begin a CRON diet:

>

>-- Loss of a loved one?

>-- Desire to help spouse/family/friend by our example?

>-- Matter of principle: Search for best diet, best health possible?

>-- Personal desire to stay attractive and slim?

>-- Desire to please spouse/family/loved one/others?

>-- Needed a GOOD diet to control excess weight?

>-- Fear of early death, with need to correct past errors?

>-- Commitment to self/God, to be the best I can be?

>-- Desire to live long, happy, and healthy as possible?

>-- Fear of an illness/disease that would surely kill me?

>-- Science of CR fascinated me?

>-- So many benefits, I absolutely had to get serious?

>-- So disgusted at myself, needed to change?

>-- (What reasons are missing ??????)

Inspiration of a loved one. My husband who has been on a CR diet all his

life, missed a heart transplant,

his surgeon's think because of the low requrements/demands he makes on his

nutritional system.

[Guest guest]

Those are al great choices, in fact more than one applies to me, I

guess I'd just have to pick the single one that most applies.

-Dominick

> Good ideas Warren. Why don't we start with your question #1?

>

> " What is the #1 reason that motivated us to try a CRON diet, after we

> learned about it " ? (One question per poll ). Some of your options

> overlap. And we only have room for 10 anyway. How about these?

>

> > -- Interest in extending lifespan

> > -- Personal desire to stay attractive and slim?

> > -- Desire to please spouse/family/loved one/others?

> > -- Needed a healthful diet to control excess weight?

> > -- Desire to live long, happy, and healthy as possible?

> > -- Fear of an illness/disease that would surely kill me?

> > -- Science of CR fascinated me?

> > -- So disgusted at myself, needed to change?

> > -- Other reason (None of the above)

>

[Guest guest]

The poll can be set up so that you can choose more than one.

on 10/20/2003 10:46 PM, Dominick at chiprunner1995@... wrote:

> Those are al great choices, in fact more than one applies to me, I

> guess I'd just have to pick the single one that most applies.

>

> -Dominick

[Guest guest]

Folks: I'll give this another day or so, in order that people that receive

the daily digest have a chance to respond. Then we'll set up the poll and

give instructions on how to vote. You will have the chance to respond to

more than one option.

[Guest guest]

Plus, news of the benefits is everywhere. Today, Tuesday, the Wall Street Journal has a long article in their special health section. Peg

[Guest guest]

Hello Francesca and CR ALL:

Regarding allowing more than one choice, it probably

would be OK. But if you allowed checking all of them,

many of us would simply choose ALL of them. I would!

Maybe if looking for the single PRIMARY motivator

to begin CR, add the following " catch all choice "

" -- So many benefits, I absolutely had to get serious. "

That means there is no one identifiable " primary reason " ,

but that there so much important about CR, that one became

motivated for many reasons (many of the above), with no one

single reason standing foremost.

Then everybody can still choose just one single reason,

and there is a catch-all if one can not identify an

overriding primary motivation for why one started CR.

-- Warren

PS: There has been great participation and interest in

this polling idea that Francesca came up with. We must

do it again! Thanks for everyone who has ideas.

Let's make sure that we all vote too, when the poll

is ready to go. Will we get a chance to see the

final questions on the poll (before we begin), so we

all can see it is OK? Again, terrific & thanks.

============================== ==========================

The poll can be set up so that you can choose more than one.

on 10/20/2003 10:46 PM, Dominick at chiprunner1995@... wrote:

> Those are al great choices, in fact more than one applies to me, I

> guess I'd just have to pick the single one that most applies.

>

> -Dominick

[Guest guest]

peg: is it possible for you to post any of the salient points in today's WSJ

article? BTW it's not the first time the WSJ has published such articles,

as the veterans know.

on 10/21/2003 5:58 PM, hsanborn2@... at hsanborn2@... wrote:

> Plus, news of the benefits is everywhere. Today, Tuesday, the Wall Street

> Journal has a long article in their special health section. Peg

>

[Guest guest]

I saw the piece about CRON in today's WSJ, in a special section on Hormone

Replacement Therapy.

The writer KELLYGREENE@... wrote a balanced overview of CRON and

detailed the state of the human trials now in preliminary stages.

I don't know that there was any new information but in general it was a fair

treatment, neither promoting nor discrediting CRON, just matter of factly

presenting the state of the practice.

IMO this is far better than the early articles which painted practice of

CRON as fringe behavior, even though it kind of is :-).

I have the article and if nobody can find an online version I can scan it

in, but I'd prefer to wait in case I can avoid doing so.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]

Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:44 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Poll: Why Do People Do CRON?

peg: is it possible for you to post any of the salient points in today's WSJ

article? BTW it's not the first time the WSJ has published such articles,

as the veterans know.

on 10/21/2003 5:58 PM, hsanborn2@... at hsanborn2@... wrote:

> Plus, news of the benefits is everywhere. Today, Tuesday, the Wall

Street

> Journal has a long article in their special health section. Peg

>

[Guest guest]

I would be happy to mail my copy of the WSJ article to anyone who has the

equipment to scan it in. Peg (e me off line at hsanborn2@...)

[Guest guest]

--- In , " john roberts " <johnhrob@n...>

wrote:

> IMO this is far better than the early articles which painted

practice of

> CRON as fringe behavior, even though it kind of is :-).

Hi All,

To this painting, I would counter:

" An idealist is one who, noticing that a rose smells better than a

cabbage, concludes that it will also make a better soup. " H.R.

Mencken (1890-1956).

Since I follow the dietary restriction lifestyle, developed food

fanaticism, and consequently developed low-fat, low calorie,

temporarily inadequate nutrition and anorexia nervosa conditions, I

liked the quote put up by a long-suffering graduate student who

endured my picky nature:

Ode to the Cabbage

I wonder if the cabbage knows,

She is less lovely than a Rose;

Or does she squat in smug content,

A source of noble nourishment;

Or if she pities for her sins

The rose who has no vitamins;

Or if one thing her green heart knows...

That self-same fire that warms the Rose?

--Anonymous

Cheers, Al.

[Guest guest]

Hi Al:

A couple of questions, if I may ............... is your reference

to anorexia nervosa serious, or intended to be entertaining only?

If serious, do you think CR was in part a cause of it? Or was CR

perhaps chosen as an apparently respectable option AFTER you found

you were suffering anorexia?

Thanks.

Rodney.

--- In , " old542000 " <apater@m...>

wrote: ....................

> Since I follow the dietary restriction lifestyle, developed food

> fanaticism, and consequently developed low-fat, low calorie,

> temporarily inadequate nutrition and anorexia nervosa conditions, I

> liked the quote put up by a long-suffering graduate student who

> endured my picky nature:

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...>

wrote:

> Hi Al:

>

> A couple of questions, if I may ............... is your

reference

> to anorexia nervosa serious, or intended to be entertaining only?

>

> If serious, do you think CR was in part a cause of it? Or was CR

> perhaps chosen as an apparently respectable option AFTER you found

> you were suffering anorexia?

Hi Rodney and ALL,

My reference to anorexia nervosa is and was serious. I have had

weight loss from 156 pounds to lows in the 80s, severe osteoporosis,

bronchitis, chronic laryngitis and pneumonia, the last of episode of

which led to glucose level of 1.1, consequent 7-hour coma and final

long-term disability status.

I believe CR led to anorexia.

I began with a BMI of about 21, a temporary irregular heart beat and

horrible family cardiac and cancer history. I first began Pritikin

dieting. I was on CR at a healthy weight and moderate CR for years

before the anorexia. The sense of control over this important aspect

of my life (how much I eat) and feelings of lack of control of the

rest seemed to be my clinical progression into anorexia.

I have read other posters mention their anorexia or more often

bulimia nervosa. I believe it is a risk to be considered in

practicing CR.

Cheers, Al.

[Guest guest]

Al:

I really must say I very much appreciate your sharing that

information with us. It could not have been easy for you to do so I

suspect.

It is a warning I will very much keep in mind as I get further into

CR. It was not something I had previously realized could potentially

be a problem.

Thank you. And good luck with your health in coming years. I hope

your conversations here may help you recover a better life.

Rodney.

> > Hi Al:

> >

> > A couple of questions, if I may ............... is your

> reference

> > to anorexia nervosa serious, or intended to be entertaining only?

> >

> > If serious, do you think CR was in part a cause of it? Or was CR

> > perhaps chosen as an apparently respectable option AFTER you

found

> > you were suffering anorexia?

>

> Hi Rodney and ALL,

>

> My reference to anorexia nervosa is and was serious. I have had

> weight loss from 156 pounds to lows in the 80s, severe

osteoporosis,

> bronchitis, chronic laryngitis and pneumonia, the last of episode

of

> which led to glucose level of 1.1, consequent 7-hour coma and final

> long-term disability status.

>

> I believe CR led to anorexia.

>

> I began with a BMI of about 21, a temporary irregular heart beat

and

> horrible family cardiac and cancer history. I first began Pritikin

> dieting. I was on CR at a healthy weight and moderate CR for years

> before the anorexia. The sense of control over this important

aspect

> of my life (how much I eat) and feelings of lack of control of the

> rest seemed to be my clinical progression into anorexia.

>

> I have read other posters mention their anorexia or more often

> bulimia nervosa. I believe it is a risk to be considered in

> practicing CR.

>

> Cheers, Al.