Re: Walford

[Guest guest]

CR works in every specie so far. I believe it will work in humans

too. But the question is is CR as prescribed or interpreted by

Walford in his books the best way to do CR?

This is a legitimate question. Perhaps a life-and-death question

for anyone on this list. Especially those who are practicing CR

based on Walford's books.

And this question cannot be dismissed by claiming that Walford

was not a CRONIE before he got into Biosphere. No, that is not

correct. As someone else has pointed out. And as anyone can

easily check by the dates on his books. And I am sure the good

doctor himself will confirm.

There is no question about Walford's credentials as a very

significant CR researcher. The only question is about The

Walford Way to practice CR.

For example, it turns out now that the abstinence on alcohol that

Dr. Walford advocated in his books on CR turned out to be

unnecessary and wrong. There is now evidence that a

substance in red wine mimics the anti-aging effects of a CR

diet.

Walford had previously warned, based on his own experiments,

against a quick caloric descent. Especially for older people. But

inexplicably, he undertook just such a dramatically quick caloric

descent in the Biosphere, under his own leadership. And when

he emerged from it, he suddenly claimed that there was no harm

in such a dramatic caloric descent. Even for a senior citizen as

he was already then.

Did this have something to do with Walford's tragic condition?

This and the above questions must not be shouted down as

" offensive. " To do so would provide evidence of the " cultic "

tendences that some of our detractors detect in this list.

Walford's condition poses a question mark to anyone who is

trying to practice CR based on his books. And also in particular

to the older cronies.

CR works. But does CR a la Walford work? As someone else

has agreed in his post, it is possible that even a Dr. Walford

might have practiced CR wrong. Or at least not perfectly. If so,

we need to know in what way!

[Guest guest]

Walford never advocated abstinence from alcohol. Read page 222 of " Beyond " .

After biosphere and the onset of his illness he warned of a quick descent

into restriction. In fact we have in our files a post from him where he

ponders if the quick weight loss in biosphere might have contributed to his

illness (as well as the toxic gases). Where are you getting your " facts "

from? How about quoting some sources???

Also your original subject for this post was the one I asked you not to

use. Please conform to the rules of the list if you want to continue

posting here.

on 11/25/2003 8:34 PM, crnovice at crnovice@... wrote:

> For example, it turns out now that the abstinence on alcohol that

> Dr. Walford advocated in his books on CR turned out to be

> unnecessary and wrong. There is now evidence that a

> substance in red wine mimics the anti-aging effects of a CR

> diet.

>

> Walford had previously warned, based on his own experiments,

> against a quick caloric descent. Especially for older people. But

> inexplicably, he undertook just such a dramatically quick caloric

> descent in the Biosphere, under his own leadership. And when

> he emerged from it, he suddenly claimed that there was no harm

> in such a dramatic caloric descent. Even for a senior citizen as

> he was already then.

[Guest guest]

Hi Crnovice:

It seems to me some questions that may be relevant to this issue are:

A) How many people on CR have been known to develop ALS?

Is that number proportionally greater, or proportionally smaller

than for the general population?

C) Have any other Biosphere participants shown similar symptoms?

D) Have members of the general population who come down with ALS

often been thin throughout their lives because of small calorie

intakes?

E) Do other sectors of the general population who also have low

calorie intakes (jockeys, anorexics .......) have an unusually high

susceptibility to ALS?

F) Among those diagnosed with ALS is there a history of oxygen

deprivation at some time in their lives?

The answers to these questions shouldn't be too hard to come by - by

conferring with the doctors who are treating these people.

I do not see how speculation about the relative efficacy of Walford's

method of implementing CRON can be productive. The only way to know

is to do the (time-consuming and expensive) experiments.

And I rather doubt the investigators in the rodent studies (which

unquestionably extended lifespans) did anything more than simply cut

the calories by 30% and then watch what happened. I.E. my guess is

they did nothing special.

But if anyone has the details of the nutrient content of the rodent

studies it would be interesting to see.

Rodney.

--- In , " crnovice " <crnovice@y...>

wrote:

> But the question is is CR as prescribed or interpreted by

> Walford in his books the best way to do CR?

>

> This is a legitimate question. Perhaps a life-and-death question

> for anyone on this list. Especially those who are practicing CR

> based on Walford's books.