Re: Re: Lab Animals and Vitamins

[Guest guest]

Also, I have just found in Nutrition Action Newsletter,Sept. 2003: "Both groups are supplemennted with vitamins and minerals and trace elements to make sure they don't get short-changed on micronutrients." That's Nat. Instit. on Aging monkeys study going on now. Now we have to find out what and how much supplements! Many members of another CR group called "the other list" rely on a single daily multiple. Peg

[Guest guest]

I don't know the individual study, but the rodent CR studies have tried

pretty much every combination. The result: kcalories consumed constituted

the variable in the CR effect, not anything else.

Nonetheless, if you're doing moderate CR, why not incorporate some meal

skipping if it's an easy and convenient thing for you? Personally, I often

skip a meal in favour of a larger one at a later time.

Cheers,

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...]

> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:30 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Lab Animals and Vitamins

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> I guess you guys are all familiar with the following, from Mattson:

>

> " Dr. Mattson and his colleagues found mice that were fasted every

> other day but were allowed to eat unlimited amounts on intervening

> days had lower blood glucose and insulin levels than either a control

> group, which was allowed to feed freely, or a calorically restricted

> group, which was fed 30 percent fewer calories daily than the control

> group. Despite fasting, the meal-skipping mice tended to gorge when

> provided food so they did not eat fewer calories than the control

> group. This finding in mice suggests that meal-skipping improves

> glucose metabolism and may provide protection against diabetes, Dr.

> Mattson says " .

>

> But the news release doesn't say the fasting mice lived longer. And

> if they had, surely we would have been told. Right?

>

> Rodney.

>

>

>

> > > > In reviewing all my clippings regarding CR and lab experiments,

> I

> > > see no

> > > > mention of supplementation. Because researchers are working

> to

> > > determine whether

> > > > CR extends life and why, it stands to reason that vitamin

> > > supplements would

> > > > invalidate the experiments. The monkeys studied currently have

> > > standard monkey

> > > > chow pellets consisting of barley, corn, one other grain and

> > > brewers yeast.

> > > > Peg

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I recall that fasting every fourth day was part of the technique I heard about in 1982. It's maybe is not the best technique. The mice weren't fed ad lib on the other 3 days, either.

Regards

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:30 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Lab Animals and Vitamins

But the news release doesn't say the fasting mice lived longer. And if they had, surely we would have been told. Right?Rodney.

[Guest guest]

To work you have to start EOD feeding early e.g. after

adolescence. Otherwise it doen't works.

In my case I almost aways skip breakfast, because

I was aways late for school. I had lunch at 13:00 and

no dinner, because I needed to study. My mother

got worried and buyed vitamins for me to take.

My weight was 120 pounds at 18 and 130 now (28).

I am able to fast a whole day without problem, but

not sure if this is healthy. Perhaps not. My TG falls

below 20 in the last 4 hours of a period of 24.

In the faculty I teach, there was an bloody donation

week. When the phisicians took a drop of my blood to

examine they discovered severe anemia. Now I'm tooking

3 pills of centrum to compensate Iron deficiency

(perhaps caused by too much coffee in fasting days....).

--Gandhi

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