Guest guest Posted October 21, 2000 Report Share Posted October 21, 2000 I eat almonds, cashews, pumpkin seed,sunflower seed, linseed, sesame seed, lentil sprouts, mung bean sprouts and all veg and fruit. As long as I don't drink and exercise moderately my candida levels go down. Questions, if you don't mind: How are the candida levelsl measured? Do you eat tofu or other soy products? Do you eat beans? Appreciating your input, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 If it makes you feel any better, I ate probably 2 steaks a week and sought out dairy for my calcium. I've got 2 speech delayed children... Don't look for guilt - look for answers. Marina > Did anyone see the article - Reuters Health? " Babies' Mental Delay Tied To Moms' Vegan Diet. I am a vegan & did breast feed my speech delayed son. Now I have more guilt and reasons to blame my self for his problem. > Lori J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 For the record I had 4 children. 3 of them required speech therapy and have CAPD and sensory issues. The 4th child has better auditory processing than most adults and never required speech therapy and was advanced physically and cognitively...I was a vegetarian when I was pregnant for this child but not for the other 3...followed dietary guides to the " T " for them..I don't believe a vegetarian diet is the reason you are seeing speech problems anymore than being a vegetarian is the reason my 4th is so advanced . Feel guilty no more Annemarie [ ] Vegan Diet Did anyone see the article - Reuters Health? " Babies' Mental Delay Tied To Moms' Vegan Diet. I am a vegan & did breast feed my speech delayed son. Now I have more guilt and reasons to blame my self for his problem. Lori J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 Hi Lori, please don't blame yourself anymore. As others on this list have said, eating meat or not eating meat is not the cause of our children's speech delays. This study was about TWO babies that were breastfed by vegan moms who apparently didn't take enough of their prenatal vitamins and/or other supplements to make sure their children got enough B12. We are a vegetarian family, and the first thing my husband did this morning was read the label on the kid's soymilk boxes (which said they get 50% of the RDA of B12 per 8oz of soymilk, of which they get 32oz per day!). If you are still concerned, check on the sources of B12 in your child's diet. You may also want to check out the group for veg*n parents (I've included the link below). Theresa, mom to Will (3.4 severe apraxia, SID) and (19 mos. apraxia) For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2003 Report Share Posted February 3, 2003 > Did anyone see the article - Reuters Health? " Babies' Mental Delay Tied To Moms' Vegan Diet. I am a vegan & did breast feed my speech delayed son. Now I have more guilt and reasons to blame my self for his problem. > Lori J. Hi Lori, I would like to suggest that you contact the Vegetarian Resource Group. Although the name is " vegetarian " it is very " vegan oriented " . They are a non-profit and do research, nutrition education, and outreach. There are 2 reasons I think it would be good to contact them: one, they may be able to help you find information to rebut this idea. Second, if they are not already aware of this article, I think they would want to know about it. their website is www.vrg.org here is a page about the services they offer: http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/services.htm best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Lori,I am and also was a vegetarian when I had my son who is apraxic. There are too many kids out there with this to be caused by being vegetarian. If it is any comfort to you I too felt that being a vegetarian could have caused this but everyone that I have met or know of are not vegetarians. I had someone even tell me that if I would have continued to breast feed my son longer he wouldn't have gotten any ear infections,and I was breast feeding him when he got his first of many.Everyone always is an expert which I am sure you have found out.Apraxia from everything I have read or know is generally heredity and neurological based.The Vegan Society is very helpful and I am sure that they will answer your questions and make you feel more at ease. Also, twins can be born and one is apraxia and one isn't so how could that be if being a vegetarian can cause that.Good Luck.Gretchen in Missouri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 In a message dated 10/11/03 4:18:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: RJB112 wrote: Combining legumes with whole grains can give a vegan outstanding protein quality and quantity. (Actually, this combining doesn't have to be done at the same meal--just within 24 hours). Look up the protein content of mung beans, or soybeans, or almost any bean----you may be quite surprised. Hi there. I've been been vegan or veganish for many years now (no flesh ever) and I honestly think the protein combining issue is overrated. I know intuitively when I need protein and when I have enough and even too much. Sometimes whole grains fills the bill, sometimes beans but I have never had to stress about combining them. I just don't think this is true from my experience. My body tells me when I need carbohydrates or when I need protein or when I need some raw vegetables. The body really isn't all that hard to please, IMHO. I do agree, however, that many vegans and vegetarians underestimate the issue of protein. I find I have different needs on different days. A lot has to do with stress and physical activity. I have also experienced the feeling of getting too much protein and it feels terrible. I just feel "blah" when I have had too much...it feels like I am stressing out the body...and I am according to the research. , I think you are correct that veganism can potentially be very harmful to health. A vegan can be Vitamin B-12 deprived, and suffer serious neurological damage as a result. A vegan may also be deprived of many other nutrients, including protein. I totally agree with this one. Because all of our foods are so sanitized, getting B12 isn't as easy as before but this can be very easily remidied with a little bit of yougurt, or a pat of butter or a little bit of cottage cheese. You only need a tiny bit to keep you going...and you don't have to eat flesh to get it. Have a great day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 I agree, LV2, By analysis, I can't see why the need to combine anything. Excess of any one amino acid is burned for energy if not used for total nitrogen. Essential aminos are a low RDA. Maybe a little harder to get if you believe the IOM data. I believe the data but not the application to my body. I'm not a vegan, only because I wasn't raised as a vegan and I think there may be something in animal protein that hasn't been realized yet. I do lacto veg. I also have never appreciated the term "complete" protein, or "perfect" as in describing egg protein and I think IOM has minimized those terms. I too experience almost a hangover after eating a large amount of protein I have less gas, less gut pains, less indigestion if I avoid meats and BTW, dried beans too. Not eating beans drives me to lacto. The other reason I don't like giving up lacto is that elders, I notice, turn to more milk in old age, at least those that can drink milk. I think if I gave up eating milk, it would influence my lactase capability. Not sure. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: lv2breathe@... Cc: Lv2breathe@... Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:54 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Vegan Diet Hi there. I've been been vegan or veganish for many years now (no flesh ever) and I honestly think the protein combining issue is overrated. I know intuitively when I need protein and when I have enough and even too much. Sometimes whole grains fills the bill, sometimes beans but I have never had to stress about combining them. I just don't think this is true from my experience. My body tells me when I need carbohydrates or when I need protein or when I need some raw vegetables. The body really isn't all that hard to please, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 lv2breathe@... wrote: .....I honestly think the protein combining issue is overrated. I know intuitively when I need protein and when I have enough and even too much. Sometimes whole grains fills the bill, sometimes beans but I have never had to stress about combining them. I just don't think this is true from my experience. My body tells me when I need carbohydrates or when I need protein or when I need some raw vegetables. The body really isn't all that hard to please, IMHO. Because all of our foods are so sanitized, getting B12 isn't as easy as before but this can be very easily remidied with a little bit of yougurt, or a pat of butter or a little bit of cottage cheese. You only need a tiny bit to keep you going...and you don't have to eat flesh to get it. ------------------------------------------------ Dear lv2breathe, You make some very good points. Thanks. Yes, the protein combining issue is overrated. When I took nutrition courses at the university, at that time they were saying that you had to combine at each meal. The current information is that they only have to be combined over a 24-hour period. The reason for combining: The Protein Efficiency Ratio is 100 for egg protein. For whole wheat protein (one of the worst quality proteins), it is only 50. So, you can eat twice as much whole wheat protein (vs. egg protein) to get the same biological value as egg protein. But this is metabolically wasteful. Beans and legumes are low in two essential amino acids. Whole grains are low in two different essential amino acids, and high in the two essential aa's that are low in beans and legumes. When you eat both legumes and grains within a 24-hour period, the amino acids taken in are balanced and complete. In this way you can lessen the total amount of protein eaten, because the protein quality is much higher. (There are very many amino acids, but 8 of them the body cannot manufacture: these 8 are called " essential " amino acids, and must be supplied by the diet. They are Valine, tryptophan, threonine, phenylalanine, methionine, lysine, leucine, isoleucine. A ninth aa, Histidine, may be essential to infants). Regarding your body telling you what you need to eat: That's fabulous! It's great to be so in tune with your body that you can utilize its signals. However, most studies have shown that the average person's body doesn't have a clue about what it needs to eat, and when people " feel " that they need to eat x,y, or z food, they are just plain wrong. I remember this was very popular once. People would have a craving for something, and assume that their body was telling them that they needed the specific nutrients in that food. Regarding taking in Vitamin B12 from cottage cheese, yogurt or butter: Yes, certainly so. However, the discussion was about the Vegan diet, which cannot include such items. Just to clarify: A Vegan diet contains no animal products of any kind. Vegetarians do not eat fish (even though some people who eat fish call themselves vegetarians), chicken, or any flesh foods. Actually, some people eat fish and chicken and mistakenly call themselves vegetarians. Lacto-Vegetarians consume milk and milk products. Ovo-Vegetarians consume eggs. Lacto-Ovo-Vegetarians may consume eggs and milk products. As mentioned, a Vegan can supplement with B12 for pennies a day, or consume Primary Grown Nutritional Yeast with B12 grown into it. Also, most brands of Spirulina, a blue-green algae of high nutritional value, contain B12. Vegans may want to consider consuming highly nutritionally dense foods such as Nutritional Yeast and Spirulina, as a form of nutritional insurance. thank you bb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 Thanks, RJB, For the explanations. Tell me what happens when I don't get enough essential AA's. I lose weight, right? Isn't that the bottom line for a nutrition limit? If I'm 30# overweight and can't lose weight even though I don't balance, don't consider the absorption efficiency. Perhaps those general guidelines work for the average person and not for the out-liers? Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 What is a Vegan diet or raw vegan diet? Vegan means no animal products. No milk, cheese, yogurt, butter, ice cream (no dairy), no eggs, obviously no meat, fish, fowl or seafood and some vegans eat no honey. Raw means uncooked. Raw vegans eat uncooked fruits, vegetables, legumes and nuts. Think what you would eat without a stove. Or what you would eat with just your hands. Shari - who doesn't have a stove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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