Re: still have pain

[Guest guest]

Because of been following up the dental route, could there be some connection to

poor occlusion, a? I've been told my occlusion and issues could result

in pain in my teeth, in my head, back, etc. Just a thought. Helen in Ontario

[ ] still have pain

Hi All,

I am so frustrated and discouraged. I still have daily pain in my head, my

upper back, my lower back, and one of my crowned teeth. I can't stand it

anymore and don't know what to do. I have eliminated ALL antifungals yet I

am in pain every day. Because I am avoiding olive oil, VCO, and palm oil I

still struggle with getting my fat intake up. Isn't there anything I can do?

I am dry skin brushing, doing coffee enemas, taking baths and have done the

9-day program twice within a month. I am at the end of my rope - not sure

where to go from here.

a

[Guest guest]

>Because of been following up the dental route, could there be some

connection to poor occlusion, a? I've been told my occlusion >and

issues could result in pain in my teeth, in my head, back, etc. Just a

thought. Helen in Ontario

Hi Helen, supposedly my occlusion is fine. My only thought is to have the

crown removed and have it replaced with a pure porcelain crown. If that

doesn't help then I've spent $765 for nothing. a

[Guest guest]

Does the new job provide good dental benefits????

Doug

.. If that

> doesn't help then I've spent $765 for nothing. a

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>Does the new job provide good dental benefits????

>Doug

They're average but because the crown is less than 7 years old they won't

pay for a replacement. They might pay for root canal which of course I don't

want.

a

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi All,

>

> I am so frustrated and discouraged. I still have daily pain in my

head, my

> upper back, my lower back, and one of my crowned teeth. I can't

stand it

> anymore and don't know what to do. I have eliminated ALL

antifungals yet I

> am in pain every day. Because I am avoiding olive oil, VCO, and

palm oil I

> still struggle with getting my fat intake up. Isn't there anything

I can do?

> I am dry skin brushing, doing coffee enemas, taking baths and have

done the

> 9-day program twice within a month. I am at the end of my rope -

not sure

> where to go from here.

==>Hi a. Maybe it would be best for you to see a good

naturopath.

Bee

[Guest guest]

==>Hi a. Maybe it would be best for you to see a good

>naturopath.

>Bee

What things/changes he/she might recommend that don't agree with your

program?

a

[Guest guest]

>

> ==>Hi a. Maybe it would be best for you to see a good

> >naturopath.

>

> >Bee

>

> What things/changes he/she might recommend that don't agree with your

> program?

==>I do not know a, but I fell you needed the support and help.

Bee

[Guest guest]

a,

Before I had my silver fillings removed I had neck, shoulder, back pain. I was

diagnosed with TMJ!! I also was loosing my hair, vertigo, anxiety, floaters in

eyes, ect.

It took me a year after removal and detoxing to feel somewhat normal again!!

Have you had a hair analysis done? Through this I found out that Mercury was

off the charts for me. I also found out through interpretation that I was low on

magnesium and alot of essential minerals. I hope you find out what's causing

your pains, I lost a couple of good years due to mercury. Your teeth is your

overall health!!

a wrote:

Hi All,

I am so frustrated and discouraged. I still have daily pain in my head, my

upper back, my lower back, and one of my crowned teeth. I can't stand it

anymore and don't know what to do. I have eliminated ALL antifungals yet I

am in pain every day. Because I am avoiding olive oil, VCO, and palm oil I

still struggle with getting my fat intake up. Isn't there anything I can do?

I am dry skin brushing, doing coffee enemas, taking baths and have done the

9-day program twice within a month. I am at the end of my rope - not sure

where to go from here.

[Guest guest]

>>a,

>Before I had my silver fillings removed I had neck, shoulder, back pain. I

was diagnosed with TMJ!! I also was >loosing my hair, vertigo, anxiety,

floaters in eyes, ect.

>It took me a year after removal and detoxing to feel somewhat normal

again!! Have you had a hair analysis >done? Through this I found out that

Mercury was off the charts for me. I also found out through interpretation

>that I was low on magnesium and alot of essential minerals. I hope you find

out what's causing your pains, I >lost a couple of good years due to

mercury. Your teeth is your overall health!!

Hi, Thank you for the comments.

I had all my silver fillings removed in 2005. I also had close to two years

of weekly IV chelation with EDTA and DMPS. Last year when I was having pain

like i do now I went to a doctor here (the chelation before was in TX we are

now in TN). She did a hair analysis and found mercury to be almost

non-existent but some other metals were high like arsenic, bismuth, and one

other one. I did 6 sessions of IV chelation with EDTA after which she did a

urine challenge and found those metals to be normal as well.

Maybe the pain is from the crown - maybe I have become sensitive to the

metal under it, who knows. Either way it will be nice to have less metal in

my mouth. If I have it replaced and the headache and backache continues, I

am not sure what I am going to do. Upon Bee's recommendation I looked for a

naturopath but there are none in this area. I would have to go to Nashville

or Knoxville (roughly an hour or more depending on where a naturopath would

be located) and I am not sure that is doable right now with my job. I guess

I'll wait and see what impact replacing the crown will have. I know I don't

want to lose another tooth.

a

[Guest guest]

a,

It sounds like you've been through it!! I've not had the money to see a

doctor, I've done all my detoxing on my own. I've also read alot and learned soo

much through this experience. My favorite forum for information is Mercury Talk,

I've gained alot of info from this forum about silver fillings and removal. Is

there a silver filling under your crown? I know that if you have different

materials in your mouth, together they can make you sick. Also the filling could

be leaking under the crown?

a Carlton <kristina.carlton@...> wrote:

>>a,

>Before I had my silver fillings removed I had neck, shoulder, back pain. I

was diagnosed with TMJ!! I also was >loosing my hair, vertigo, anxiety,

floaters in eyes, ect.

>It took me a year after removal and detoxing to feel somewhat normal

again!! Have you had a hair analysis >done? Through this I found out that

Mercury was off the charts for me. I also found out through interpretation

>that I was low on magnesium and alot of essential minerals. I hope you find

out what's causing your pains, I >lost a couple of good years due to

mercury. Your teeth is your overall health!!

Hi, Thank you for the comments.

I had all my silver fillings removed in 2005. I also had close to two years

of weekly IV chelation with EDTA and DMPS. Last year when I was having pain

like i do now I went to a doctor here (the chelation before was in TX we are

now in TN). She did a hair analysis and found mercury to be almost

non-existent but some other metals were high like arsenic, bismuth, and one

other one. I did 6 sessions of IV chelation with EDTA after which she did a

urine challenge and found those metals to be normal as well.

Maybe the pain is from the crown - maybe I have become sensitive to the

metal under it, who knows. Either way it will be nice to have less metal in

my mouth. If I have it replaced and the headache and backache continues, I

am not sure what I am going to do. Upon Bee's recommendation I looked for a

naturopath but there are none in this area. I would have to go to Nashville

or Knoxville (roughly an hour or more depending on where a naturopath would

be located) and I am not sure that is doable right now with my job. I guess

I'll wait and see what impact replacing the crown will have. I know I don't

want to lose another tooth.

a

[Guest guest]

a, some believe that the schedule of chelation is the key...Andy Cutler

recommends keeping the chelator at the half life for several day " rounds " with

an equal number of days off...also, he claims that any other protocol can do

permanent damage,particularly high dose IV... I plan to chelate following his

regimen after removal of amalgam fillings. Any way, if you're a researcher, you

might want to check his protocol out. Helen

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>a,

>It sounds like you've been through it!! I've not had the money to see a

doctor, I've done all my detoxing on my own. I've also read alot and learned

soo much through this experience. My favorite forum for >information is

Mercury Talk, I've gained alot of info from this forum about silver fillings

and removal. Is there a silver filling under your crown? I know that if you

have different materials in your mouth, >together they can make you sick.

Also the filling could be leaking under the crown?

No, I believe it's just a regular tooth - no filling. But it is a PFM

(Porcelain Fused to Metal) crown so that metal might be the problem. I am

not sure if it has mercury in it or not. In retrospect, I believe the IV

chelation is too harsh on the body.

a

[Guest guest]

Helen, I " ve read on the Mercury Forum that Andys protocol is one of the best!!

I think the body needs those days off to heal. I've also heard of people doing

too much too fast, It takes them longer heal.

Helen Kmera <helenkmera@...> wrote: a, some believe that

the schedule of chelation is the key...Andy Cutler recommends keeping the

chelator at the half life for several day " rounds " with an equal number of days

off...also, he claims that any other protocol can do permanent

damage,particularly high dose IV... I plan to chelate following his regimen

after removal of amalgam fillings. Any way, if you're a researcher, you might

want to check his protocol out. Helen

[Guest guest]

>Helen, I " ve read on the Mercury Forum that Andys protocol is one of the

best!! I think the body needs those days off to heal. I've also heard of

people doing too much too fast, It takes them longer heal.

Hi Helen and Shay, thank you for all the tips. I don't think I will be doing

anymore IV chelation as the last tests came out ok, plus I think that this

diet will help the body chelate out metals naturally. I do believe that my

doctors followed either Andy's or a similar protocol. They had worked

closely with and learned from a doctor in Russia who was able to " cure " his

son of autism with IV chelation. It is very hard on the body though. I was

seeing another doctor at the time, a specialist my regular docs sent me to,

and he said while you are on chelation you tend to feel worse. He said about

12 weeks after you are done is when you really see the benefits. I can't say

that it was 12 weeks after when I started to feel better, but I know that

while I was chelating it was tough. Simply having to go to the doctor once a

week during my lunch break was stressful because I had a very busy job at

the time. Getting stuck with a needle once a week is not fun and my veins

got to the point that nothing came out or was going in. One time, after

about a year of weekly chelation I believe, the nurse stuck me 4 times and

couldn't get the IV going. I finally left and took a break from chelation

for a while and I was crying on the way back to the office. Not because the

needles hurt that much, it was just all so overwhelming. No wonder my

adrenals are shot! :-)

a

[Guest guest]

a, I believe your body is retracing the previous symptoms you

experienced when you had your fillings removed, along with the

chelation therapy.

Bee

> Hi, Thank you for the comments.

> I had all my silver fillings removed in 2005. I also had close to

two years

> of weekly IV chelation with EDTA and DMPS. Last year when I was

having pain

> like i do now I went to a doctor here (the chelation before was in

TX we are

> now in TN). She did a hair analysis and found mercury to be almost

> non-existent but some other metals were high like arsenic, bismuth,

and one

> other one. I did 6 sessions of IV chelation with EDTA after which

she did a

> urine challenge and found those metals to be normal as well.

> Maybe the pain is from the crown - maybe I have become sensitive to

the

> metal under it, who knows. Either way it will be nice to have less

metal in

> my mouth. If I have it replaced and the headache and backache

continues, I

> am not sure what I am going to do. Upon Bee's recommendation I

looked for a

> naturopath but there are none in this area. I would have to go to

Nashville

> or Knoxville (roughly an hour or more depending on where a

naturopath would

> be located) and I am not sure that is doable right now with my job.

I guess

> I'll wait and see what impact replacing the crown will have. I know

I don't

> want to lose another tooth.

> a

[Guest guest]

>

> a, some believe that the schedule of chelation is the

key...Andy Cutler recommends keeping the chelator at the half life for

several day " rounds " with an equal number of days off...also, he claims

that any other protocol can do permanent damage,particularly high dose

IV... I plan to chelate following his regimen after removal of amalgam

fillings. Any way, if you're a researcher, you might want to check his

protocol out.

==>Helen, hopefully you won't have your amalgams removed until you have

cured your candida. In the meantime this program will chelate out any

mercury or metals released from your fillings quite effectively. Your

body needs to be healthy in order to handle the mercury released when

the fillings are removed.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> >a, I believe your body is retracing the previous symptoms

you experienced when you had your fillings removed, along with the

chelation therapy.

>

> >Bee

>

> Bee, when you retrace symptoms, do you retrace them the same length

of time that you had them or does the rule of " healing takes one

month for every year you were sick " apply here? I am confused on that

one. Thanks,

==>a, usually your body will retrace backwards in time through

previous symptoms, etc., but I've found it doesn't always go

backwards in time. For example if you had dental surgery 3 years

ago, when your body has done 3 months of natural healing it retraces

and heals the effects of the dental surgery. Of course natural

healing starts once you are completely on the diet and taking " all "

of the supplements. And IF you had periods where you were not on the

diet or taking supplements, that would delay the healing process.

However, I have also found that the body heals what it considers is

important, so retracing previous symptoms may not always be timed as

above.

Bee

[Guest guest]

==>a, usually your body will retrace backwards in time through

>previous symptoms, etc., but I've found it doesn't always go

>backwards in time. For example if you had dental surgery 3 years

>ago, when your body has done 3 months of natural healing it retraces

>and heals the effects of the dental surgery. Of course natural

>healing starts once you are completely on the diet and taking " all "

>of the supplements. And IF you had periods where you were not on the

>diet or taking supplements, that would delay the healing process.

>However, I have also found that the body heals what it considers is

>important, so retracing previous symptoms may not always be timed as

>above.

>Bee

OK, thank you. I was on the full diet in November/December but not on full

supplements. Now I have been on full supplements for about a month, but my

fat intake is not where it needs to be on most days. I have also been going

over the protein amount some days but my carbs have been from veggies only

and never over the recommended amount. So I am not sure how that will effect

retracing of symptoms.

I had a headache, upper backache, and calf pain daily from June 15th last

year until about mid-September last year, and also problems with a crown

(not the one that hurts now). I stopped using Listerine mouthwash

mid-September which stopped the upper backache and calf pain. End of

September I had the crown, which had gold under it, removed and replaced

with an all porcelain crown. That, for the most part, stopped the headache

and pain with the tooth. In November the tooth gave me problems again and I

also started to have a headache again but not back pain. On December 5th I

had the crown taken out and the tooth extracted and the headache gradually

went away again. On December 8th, feeling really good, I splurged pretty

badly. After that I started having pretty bad headaches, backaches, and calf

pain again. That was when I was on vacation. I finally figured out that the

VCO was causing die off and stopped it. I had a few days without pain, then

the pain came back when I got home. I traced it back to palm oil and Pau

D'Arco. I also had problems with this crown. Then the pain stopped for a day

or so but then came back, except for the toothache. The headache, upper

backache and lower backache, but not calf pain, continued. And about 2 weeks

ago the crowned tooth started hurting again and still hurts. So it's all a

bit fuzzy what is current health problems and what is retracing of symptoms.

I am very confused by all this. I also had a crown replaced last year in

January. The dentist put in a PFM crown although I had asked for all

porcelain. It wasn't until June, when all the other problems started, that I

had problems with this one also. I had it replaced in September and the day

he took it out and put the temporary in I stopped having pain. That's what

is leading me to believe this crown that is giving me problems now, needs to

be replaced. I am going to the dentist today at 3 PM and I am praying that I

will make the right decision. Basically I told God that I am going to have

it replaced and if it's not the right thing to do to make it very clear and

stop me.

Thank you for all your help Bee. I know my posts and continued problems must

be frustrating for you and I appreciate you taking the time to continuously

offer possible solutions and answers.

a

[Guest guest]

Hi a,

Please do not focus on all of the aches and pains you are

experiencing. Just keep doing everything " right " and your body will

do its job of healing, eventually. Natural healing isn't pleasant,

and the more toxins you have acquired, the general condition of your

body, your mental outlook, and what you inherited from your parents

will all affect the healing process.

You could get that tooth changed, or even removed and leave it for

awhile to see if it helps, but I do not believe one tooth is causing

your symptoms. I think your symptoms are mainly due to the healing

process, i.e. die-off/healing/detox symptoms. Read more articles

about it so you understand more what is happening:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu1_2.php

Also read this article on Die-Off Symptoms:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal2.php

Trying to find " one cause " is like trying to find a needle in a

haystack, when the cause is mainly candida overgrowth and a very

depressed immune system, and only providing proper nutrients your

body needs to build up your immune system will work.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Bee,

I was told that you will never get rid of the candida until you eliminate all

causes of mercury. Amalgam fillings are constantly releasing mercury vapors!!

Everytime you chew, brush your teeth, drink hot beverages. The constant release

of mercury will never let your body heal!! I would make sure that your body

burden isn't too much before removal. I have a hair analysis done every six

month's, I went from mercury being off the charts to acceptable range. I have a

filling that is currently leaking, It needs to come out ASAP. I now know that my

mercury burden is down, so I can have this filling removed.

Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

> a, some believe that the schedule of chelation is the

key...Andy Cutler recommends keeping the chelator at the half life for

several day " rounds " with an equal number of days off...also, he claims

that any other protocol can do permanent damage,particularly high dose

IV... I plan to chelate following his regimen after removal of amalgam

fillings. Any way, if you're a researcher, you might want to check his

protocol out.

==>Helen, hopefully you won't have your amalgams removed until you have

cured your candida. In the meantime this program will chelate out any

mercury or metals released from your fillings quite effectively. Your

body needs to be healthy in order to handle the mercury released when

the fillings are removed.

Bee

Treva Shay Spence

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

>I was told that you will never get rid of the candida until you eliminate

all causes of mercury. Amalgam fillings are constantly releasing mercury

vapors!! Everytime you chew, brush your teeth, drink hot >beverages. The

constant release of mercury will never let your body heal!! I would make

sure that your body burden isn't too much before removal. I have a hair

analysis done every six month's, I went >from mercury being off the charts

to acceptable range. I have a filling that is currently leaking, It needs to

come out ASAP. I now know that my mercury burden is down, so I can have this

filling removed.

Shay, my doctor told me the same thing back in 2005 in Austin. He said

candida, metals, and parasites form a synergy. Addressing only one of those

three would not work, however, I do believe the body needs to be strong

enough to chelate out metals because it's such a burden.

a

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

> I was told that you will never get rid of the candida until you

eliminate all causes of mercury. Amalgam fillings are constantly

releasing mercury vapors!! Everytime you chew, brush your teeth,

drink hot beverages. The constant release of mercury will never let

your body heal!! I would make sure that your body burden isn't too

much before removal. I have a hair analysis done every six month's, I

went from mercury being off the charts to acceptable range. I have a

filling that is currently leaking, It needs to come out ASAP. I now

know that my mercury burden is down, so I can have this filling

removed.

==>Hi Shay. Well, the interesting thing is that I cured my candida

without having my mercury laden fillings removed! First, I couldn't

afford it, and I'm thankful I couldn't, because the overburden on my

body would have been too much to handle, in addition to candida, and

a very depressed immune system.

That taught me that you do not " have to " remove mercury fillings

first. The first thing is to give your body the nutrients it needs,

particularly this high fat diet, which chelated out heavy metals of

all kinds extremely effectively. In fact one of the best things the

body does is get rid of heavy metals but it must have all of the good

fats and oils in order to do it.

Allowing the program to build up your immune system first is the key,

before you overload it again with more mercury by removing a filling.

It doesn't matter what comes first, the mercury or the candida.

Mercury can cause candida, but it also causes a depressed immune

system. A depressed immune system is what needs to be fixed. The

treatment is the same: give your body the nutrients it requires to

cleanse, chelate out heavy metals and other toxins, and which builds

up the immune system so it can " make " candida change back to the

friendly organism it is supposed to be in the body. " Only the body

can heal itself! "

" Trying to " unburden the body of any toxins without giving it the

nutrients it needs to do its job of healing, is like " trying to get

rid of the flies " instead of getting rid of the manure pile.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Bee,

How many fillings did you have? Did you have any side affects to your

fillings?

I had TMJ, vertigo, hair loss, anxiety, floaters in eyes, problems breathing,

depression, ect. This was eliminated with the removal of 6 fillings and detox!!

Your right about how food is healing!! I think that everything that was put

on this earth, was put here for a reason.

Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

> Bee,

> I was told that you will never get rid of the candida until you

eliminate all causes of mercury. Amalgam fillings are constantly

releasing mercury vapors!! Everytime you chew, brush your teeth,

drink hot beverages. The constant release of mercury will never let

your body heal!! I would make sure that your body burden isn't too

much before removal. I have a hair analysis done every six month's, I

went from mercury being off the charts to acceptable range. I have a

filling that is currently leaking, It needs to come out ASAP. I now

know that my mercury burden is down, so I can have this filling

removed.

==>Hi Shay. Well, the interesting thing is that I cured my candida

without having my mercury laden fillings removed! First, I couldn't

afford it, and I'm thankful I couldn't, because the overburden on my

body would have been too much to handle, in addition to candida, and

a very depressed immune system.

That taught me that you do not " have to " remove mercury fillings

first. The first thing is to give your body the nutrients it needs,

particularly this high fat diet, which chelated out heavy metals of

all kinds extremely effectively. In fact one of the best things the

body does is get rid of heavy metals but it must have all of the good

fats and oils in order to do it.

Allowing the program to build up your immune system first is the key,

before you overload it again with more mercury by removing a filling.

It doesn't matter what comes first, the mercury or the candida.

Mercury can cause candida, but it also causes a depressed immune

system. A depressed immune system is what needs to be fixed. The

treatment is the same: give your body the nutrients it requires to

cleanse, chelate out heavy metals and other toxins, and which builds

up the immune system so it can " make " candida change back to the

friendly organism it is supposed to be in the body. " Only the body

can heal itself! "

" Trying to " unburden the body of any toxins without giving it the

nutrients it needs to do its job of healing, is like " trying to get

rid of the flies " instead of getting rid of the manure pile.

Bee

Treva Shay Spence

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

>

> I was told that you will never get rid of the candida until you

eliminate all causes of mercury. Amalgam fillings are constantly

releasing mercury vapors!!

this isn't true. I was able to cure myself of candida overgrowth by

following this program and I still have amalgam filling in my mouth.

jackie

[Guest guest]

a,

I've read on problems associated with mercury for five years. Mercury opens

the door to your immune system. It allows everything to come in!!

I've had problems with alot of things but candida was never a problem until

now. I feel like the longer I keep these fillings, the more problems that pop

up. I was told that when you have the last filling removed that the body knows

it. It will then release the stored mercury. The body really is amazing!!

" a K. Carlton " <kristina.carlton@...> wrote:

>I was told that you will never get rid of the candida until you

eliminate

all causes of mercury. Amalgam fillings are constantly releasing mercury

vapors!! Everytime you chew, brush your teeth, drink hot >beverages. The

constant release of mercury will never let your body heal!! I would make

sure that your body burden isn't too much before removal. I have a hair

analysis done every six month's, I went >from mercury being off the charts

to acceptable range. I have a filling that is currently leaking, It needs to

come out ASAP. I now know that my mercury burden is down, so I can have this

filling removed.

Shay, my doctor told me the same thing back in 2005 in Austin. He said

candida, metals, and parasites form a synergy. Addressing only one of those

three would not work, however, I do believe the body needs to be strong

enough to chelate out metals because it's such a burden.

a