Re: The Case for Grains!! YES

[Guest guest]

Warren: see:

/message/9160

This is just one of many past posts explianing the health benefits of

grains!!

Whole grains should be a part of a healthful diet. OMIT A WHOLE FOOD GROUP

AT YOUR OWN RISK.

on 1/15/2004 1:47 AM, Warren at warren.taylor@... wrote:

> The information in the article quoted about grains

> has a lot of factual errors and is quite opinionated.

> For example,

>

>> Certainly, many of our plates are overloaded with the wrong

>> kinds of carbs: white flour, white rice and snack foods.

>

> White flour and white rice have nearly as much nutrition

> as their whole grain counterparts, at least in many regards.

> And when supplemented can actually have more.

>

>> But complex carbohydrates, such as whole grains, are crucial

>> to a healthful diet:

>

> This is fishy false. Simply not true.

>

>> They provide a broad range of essential nutrients such as

>> Vitamins B and C,

>

> On a per calorie basis, they are poor relative to other

> choices (eg, veggies and fruits).

>

>> are rich in minerals and,

>

> On a per calorie basis, they are again poor.

>

>> ... Their antioxidant activity is on par with many fruits

>> and exceeds most vegetables.

>

> Simply not true, neither on a per unit weight basis,

> nor on a per calorie basis. Grains are actually the worst.

>

> Of all plant food types, grains rank the very lowest

> on a per weight basis for anti-oxidants. There was

> at least one recent message clearly pointing this out,

> based on published anti-oxidant scientific research.

> The message noted how inferior grains are relative to

> all other possible plant food choices -- the worst.

> Maybe someone can find it and post it (or a link to it).

>

> Sorry to be contrarian. Grains are the big losers in the

> food bazaar of possible CRON food choices.

>

> However, there is certainly nothing wrong with consuming

> a limited amount in small quantity on a CR diet, just to

> to cover all your bases. Maybe there is some hidden secret

> essential something hidden in grains that is absent from

> all other foods?

>

> -- Warren

[Guest guest]

And there is something to be said for the proposition that, at least

in some cases, it isn't the stuff we KNOW is in the foods we eat that

matters, as much as what science has not yet identified in the foods

we eat.

(For example it isn't the beta carotene that has the beneficial

effects, it is something else, as yet unidentified, in the foods that

happen to contain beta carotene).

This MAY be relevant to the grains issue.

Are there careful studies that show that those who eat whole grains

are healthier (or less healthy) than those who eat no grains at all?

Rodney.

>

> > The information in the article quoted about grains

> > has a lot of factual errors and is quite opinionated.

> > For example,

> >

> >> Certainly, many of our plates are overloaded with the wrong

> >> kinds of carbs: white flour, white rice and snack foods.

> >

> > White flour and white rice have nearly as much nutrition

> > as their whole grain counterparts, at least in many regards.

> > And when supplemented can actually have more.

> >

> >> But complex carbohydrates, such as whole grains, are crucial

> >> to a healthful diet:

> >

> > This is fishy false. Simply not true.

> >

> >> They provide a broad range of essential nutrients such as

> >> Vitamins B and C,

> >

> > On a per calorie basis, they are poor relative to other

> > choices (eg, veggies and fruits).

> >

> >> are rich in minerals and,

> >

> > On a per calorie basis, they are again poor.

> >

> >> ... Their antioxidant activity is on par with many fruits

> >> and exceeds most vegetables.

> >

> > Simply not true, neither on a per unit weight basis,

> > nor on a per calorie basis. Grains are actually the worst.

> >

> > Of all plant food types, grains rank the very lowest

> > on a per weight basis for anti-oxidants. There was

> > at least one recent message clearly pointing this out,

> > based on published anti-oxidant scientific research.

> > The message noted how inferior grains are relative to

> > all other possible plant food choices -- the worst.

> > Maybe someone can find it and post it (or a link to it).

> >

> > Sorry to be contrarian. Grains are the big losers in the

> > food bazaar of possible CRON food choices.

> >

> > However, there is certainly nothing wrong with consuming

> > a limited amount in small quantity on a CR diet, just to

> > to cover all your bases. Maybe there is some hidden secret

> > essential something hidden in grains that is absent from

> > all other foods?

> >

> > -- Warren

[Guest guest]

Rodney: if you search the files, I'm sure you'll come upon the many past

posts (before the one I cited) which detail the benefits of whole grains.

I didn't have the time to do a thorough search, but I'm putting it on the

back burner. If we accumulate enough evidence (in the former posts), I'll

put them in a file since this issue seems to come up every now and then

(usually by the extremists who like to cut their diets down to the bare

bones - ouch! pardon the pun).

on 1/15/2004 6:59 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

> And there is something to be said for the proposition that, at least

> in some cases, it isn't the stuff we KNOW is in the foods we eat that

> matters, as much as what science has not yet identified in the foods

> we eat.

>

> (For example it isn't the beta carotene that has the beneficial

> effects, it is something else, as yet unidentified, in the foods that

> happen to contain beta carotene).

>

> This MAY be relevant to the grains issue.

>

> Are there careful studies that show that those who eat whole grains

> are healthier (or less healthy) than those who eat no grains at all?

>

> Rodney.