Thinking about Biotin deficiency & raw eggs...

[Guest guest]

Something in Mercola's article got my attention yesterday... when he

talked about ONE symptom of biotin deficiency being a red, scaly rash

around the eyes. It seems like too much of a coincedence to me that

several weeks ago, a small red scaly spot showed up under my left eye

as well, and only has diminished because I put a dab of cod liver oil

on it each morning. I can still see the spot, and am quite sure that

if I quit putting CLO on it, it would become rough and scaly again.

This also is talked about in the following article... that the first

set of symptoms shows themselves rather quickly (3-5 weeks) after

consuming large quantities of raw eggwhites. My red spot appeared

about 3-4 weeks after I started drinking the egg drink every day. I

have drank 3 raw eggs each morning since December 1st, and also use

raw eggs for things such as mayonaise and desserts (some desserts

with frozen whipped eggwhites, stevia, vanilla bean and lemon juice

only).

Here is some great and thorough information about biotin deficiency:

http://www.emedicine.com/PED/topic238.htm

I have seen many of the symptoms being described on this board from

various people: dry skin, hair loss, brittle nails, mood changes,

depression, Seborrheic dermatitis, fungal infections, etc....

Many of these symptoms could be mistaken for " healing reactions "

instead of simple biotin deficiency. I'm not being an alarmist... I

just think this issue might need to be explored further. Dr. Mercola

no longer consumes raw eggs (I'm sure on sparse occasions, it would

be great to do, but not every day, according to him).

Also, my mood changes have been quite frightening, in regards to

outbursts and even throwing things. I am not afraid of healing

reactions, and I even WELCOME them! But, I AM afraid of some sort of

easily-corrected deficiency that could make things much more

difficult for me! There is also the possiblility that some people

are more susceptible to biotin deficiency than others. (i.e. Bee

drinking the egg drink every morning for years and years, and feeling

great!)

As for me, I will probably begin the experiment of NOT eating raw

eggs for awhile, and see how my symptoms go. I will either poach my

eggs in the morning, or simply boil them for 2 minutes to barely cook

the whites and leave the yolks raw, and eat them out of the shell

with a spoon, sprinkled with celtic salt, like my wife does

sometimes. Again, doing so is fully acceptable according to Bee's

program! I'm not doubting the program... I'm just suggesting that

maybe an evolution of it is required for me. It's too bad, because

the egg drink is super fast to fix each morning!

There are some very eye-opening things in this medical article.

Especially the chart showing the progression and these excerpts:

" Causes

Causes of biotin deficiency include the following:

Eating raw egg whites: Some mistakenly believe that raw egg-white

consumption is the only cause of biotin deficiency. Nonetheless, a

diet that contains raw egg whites quickly and almost invariably leads

to biotin deficiency... "

And:

" The most important aspects of the medical care in patients with

biotin deficiency include the early recognition of the condition and

the prompt institution of therapy with adequate amounts of biotin.

The dosage of biotin that should be administered is debated. Some

authorities suggest a daily intramuscular injection of 150 µg of

biotin. At this dose, symptoms of biotin deficiency begin to resolve

within 3-5 days and are essentially absent within 3-5 months.

The following issues must be addressed:

If the cause of biotin deficiency is the ingestion of raw eggs, the

patient must immediately stop the practice. "

It is a very easy condition to treat, and I'm sure that the 4 vitamin

b-50 capsules we take each day is more than adequate to fix the

problem rather quickly... as well as all the healthy foods we eat!

Just to be safe, I might buy some EXTRA biotin to supplement for a

month or so.

Here's to our health!

Doug

[Guest guest]

Doug, you ARE getting biotin in the B complex, and also Mercola

changed his mind about getting any biotin deficiency from raw egg

whites. The syndromes you describe are all die-

off/detoxifying/healing symptoms. I've been having at least 3 whole

eggs per day for years and I do not get any skin symptoms.

Doug, I have done my research, so sorry, but you should send this to

me instead of alarming the group.

Bee

>

> Something in Mercola's article got my attention yesterday... when

he

> talked about ONE symptom of biotin deficiency being a red, scaly

rash

> around the eyes. It seems like too much of a coincedence to me

that

> several weeks ago, a small red scaly spot showed up under my left

eye

> as well, and only has diminished because I put a dab of cod liver

oil

> on it each morning. I can still see the spot, and am quite sure

that

> if I quit putting CLO on it, it would become rough and scaly again.

>

> This also is talked about in the following article... that the

first

> set of symptoms shows themselves rather quickly (3-5 weeks) after

> consuming large quantities of raw eggwhites. My red spot appeared

> about 3-4 weeks after I started drinking the egg drink every day.

I

> have drank 3 raw eggs each morning since December 1st, and also use

> raw eggs for things such as mayonaise and desserts (some desserts

> with frozen whipped eggwhites, stevia, vanilla bean and lemon juice

> only).

>

> Here is some great and thorough information about biotin

deficiency:

> http://www.emedicine.com/PED/topic238.htm

>

> I have seen many of the symptoms being described on this board from

> various people: dry skin, hair loss, brittle nails, mood changes,

> depression, Seborrheic dermatitis, fungal infections, etc....

>

> Many of these symptoms could be mistaken for " healing reactions "

> instead of simple biotin deficiency. I'm not being an alarmist...

I

> just think this issue might need to be explored further. Dr.

Mercola

> no longer consumes raw eggs (I'm sure on sparse occasions, it would

> be great to do, but not every day, according to him).

>

> Also, my mood changes have been quite frightening, in regards to

> outbursts and even throwing things. I am not afraid of healing

> reactions, and I even WELCOME them! But, I AM afraid of some sort

of

> easily-corrected deficiency that could make things much more

> difficult for me! There is also the possiblility that some people

> are more susceptible to biotin deficiency than others. (i.e. Bee

> drinking the egg drink every morning for years and years, and

feeling

> great!)

>

> As for me, I will probably begin the experiment of NOT eating raw

> eggs for awhile, and see how my symptoms go. I will either poach

my

> eggs in the morning, or simply boil them for 2 minutes to barely

cook

> the whites and leave the yolks raw, and eat them out of the shell

> with a spoon, sprinkled with celtic salt, like my wife does

> sometimes. Again, doing so is fully acceptable according to Bee's

> program! I'm not doubting the program... I'm just suggesting that

> maybe an evolution of it is required for me. It's too bad, because

> the egg drink is super fast to fix each morning!

>

> There are some very eye-opening things in this medical article.

> Especially the chart showing the progression and these excerpts:

>

> " Causes

> Causes of biotin deficiency include the following:

>

> Eating raw egg whites: Some mistakenly believe that raw egg-white

> consumption is the only cause of biotin deficiency. Nonetheless, a

> diet that contains raw egg whites quickly and almost invariably

leads

> to biotin deficiency... "

>

> And:

> " The most important aspects of the medical care in patients with

> biotin deficiency include the early recognition of the condition

and

> the prompt institution of therapy with adequate amounts of biotin.

> The dosage of biotin that should be administered is debated. Some

> authorities suggest a daily intramuscular injection of 150 µg of

> biotin. At this dose, symptoms of biotin deficiency begin to

resolve

> within 3-5 days and are essentially absent within 3-5 months.

>

> The following issues must be addressed:

>

> If the cause of biotin deficiency is the ingestion of raw eggs, the

> patient must immediately stop the practice. "

>

> It is a very easy condition to treat, and I'm sure that the 4

vitamin

> b-50 capsules we take each day is more than adequate to fix the

> problem rather quickly... as well as all the healthy foods we eat!

> Just to be safe, I might buy some EXTRA biotin to supplement for a

> month or so.

>

> Here's to our health!

>

> Doug

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Bee! That red, scaly spot under my eye just seemed too much of

a coincedence. I didn't realize that he revised his recommendations.

Here was the link where he changed his mind, just like you say.

http://www.mercola.com/2002/nov/13/eggs.htm

Maybe I can get a biotin test done, just to ease my mind. Might be a

good way to make me feel better about it (since Mercola went back and

forth trying to decide which is best), and could help others in the

group feel more secure about it too.

I would definitely miss the egg drink, so I think Ill keep doing it

for now!!

Sorry for being an alarmist. Your research is impeccable.

Doug

>

> Doug, you ARE getting biotin in the B complex, and also Mercola

> changed his mind about getting any biotin deficiency from raw egg

> whites. The syndromes you describe are all die-

> off/detoxifying/healing symptoms. I've been having at least 3

whole

> eggs per day for years and I do not get any skin symptoms.

>

> Doug, I have done my research, so sorry, but you should send this

to

> me instead of alarming the group.

>

> Bee

[Guest guest]

Oh... and one more thing I noticed. The " friend " of Mercola's who sent

him the alarming info about biotin deficiency worked at Bayer. Bayer's

pharmaceutical division is pumping all kinds of stuff into us that's a

lot worse than raw eggs, I'm sure!!!! Maybe Mercola's friend

should stick to exposing THAT.

Doug

[Guest guest]

>

> Sorry Bee! That red, scaly spot under my eye just seemed too much

of

> a coincedence. I didn't realize that he revised his

recommendations.

> Here was the link where he changed his mind, just like you say.

>

> http://www.mercola.com/2002/nov/13/eggs.htm

>

> Maybe I can get a biotin test done, just to ease my mind. Might be

a

> good way to make me feel better about it (since Mercola went back

and

> forth trying to decide which is best), and could help others in the

> group feel more secure about it too.

>

> I would definitely miss the egg drink, so I think Ill keep doing it

> for now!!

>

> Sorry for being an alarmist. Your research is impeccable.

==>Hi Doug. It is an honest mistake my friend. You can take extra

biotin if you are concerned. Buy it separately as long as you also

take B complex, but don't take too much or it will throw off the

balance of the other B vitamins. But you also get biotin in other

foods, particularly liver.

Another way around it is to use only 2 whole eggs, and egg yolks only

for any other eggs you add to the drink. Or you can poach the eggs

first. Or let the boiling water sit longer so it cooks the whites.

I also compare us eating raw eggs to animals in the wild who don't

stop to remove egg whites or cook them. LOL! When my father was

young they'd go hunting and many times ate raw eggs they found in the

forest. Many people, like Dr. Mercola, even down raw eggs without

mixing them with anything. Yuk. I couldn't do that. In the end I

believe Mother Nature doesn't get things wrong, but people sure screw

up things, and sometimes by too much examination, making things more

difficult and complicated. Isn't the saying K.I.S.S. (keep it simple

stupid). LOL!

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Oh... and one more thing I noticed. The " friend " of Mercola's who

sent

> him the alarming info about biotin deficiency worked at Bayer.

Bayer's

> pharmaceutical division is pumping all kinds of stuff into us that's

a

> lot worse than raw eggs, I'm sure!!!! Maybe Mercola's friend

> should stick to exposing THAT.

==>That sure is ironic! Any specific substance in a food, herb or

spice can be isolated and when tested in a laboratory could indicate it

could cause problems. But the " whole food " with all of its nutrients

and co-factors doesn't act like that in the body! Duh?

Bee

[Guest guest]

Doug,

I had a small red circle pop up under my right eye, it acually felt like a

burn. It was soar!!

It has gotten better but is still there, it has been almost a week. Do you

think it's related to the biotin deficiency?

Thank's

Doug <organyze@...> wrote:

Something in Mercola's article got my attention yesterday... when he

talked about ONE symptom of biotin deficiency being a red, scaly rash

around the eyes. It seems like too much of a coincedence to me that

several weeks ago, a small red scaly spot showed up under my left eye

as well, and only has diminished because I put a dab of cod liver oil

on it each morning. I can still see the spot, and am quite sure that

if I quit putting CLO on it, it would become rough and scaly again.

This also is talked about in the following article... that the first

set of symptoms shows themselves rather quickly (3-5 weeks) after

consuming large quantities of raw eggwhites. My red spot appeared

about 3-4 weeks after I started drinking the egg drink every day. I

have drank 3 raw eggs each morning since December 1st, and also use

raw eggs for things such as mayonaise and desserts (some desserts

with frozen whipped eggwhites, stevia, vanilla bean and lemon juice

only).

Here is some great and thorough information about biotin deficiency:

http://www.emedicine.com/PED/topic238.htm

I have seen many of the symptoms being described on this board from

various people: dry skin, hair loss, brittle nails, mood changes,

depression, Seborrheic dermatitis, fungal infections, etc....

Many of these symptoms could be mistaken for " healing reactions "

instead of simple biotin deficiency. I'm not being an alarmist... I

just think this issue might need to be explored further. Dr. Mercola

no longer consumes raw eggs (I'm sure on sparse occasions, it would

be great to do, but not every day, according to him).

Also, my mood changes have been quite frightening, in regards to

outbursts and even throwing things. I am not afraid of healing

reactions, and I even WELCOME them! But, I AM afraid of some sort of

easily-corrected deficiency that could make things much more

difficult for me! There is also the possiblility that some people

are more susceptible to biotin deficiency than others. (i.e. Bee

drinking the egg drink every morning for years and years, and feeling

great!)

As for me, I will probably begin the experiment of NOT eating raw

eggs for awhile, and see how my symptoms go. I will either poach my

eggs in the morning, or simply boil them for 2 minutes to barely cook

the whites and leave the yolks raw, and eat them out of the shell

with a spoon, sprinkled with celtic salt, like my wife does

sometimes. Again, doing so is fully acceptable according to Bee's

program! I'm not doubting the program... I'm just suggesting that

maybe an evolution of it is required for me. It's too bad, because

the egg drink is super fast to fix each morning!

There are some very eye-opening things in this medical article.

Especially the chart showing the progression and these excerpts:

" Causes

Causes of biotin deficiency include the following:

Eating raw egg whites: Some mistakenly believe that raw egg-white

consumption is the only cause of biotin deficiency. Nonetheless, a

diet that contains raw egg whites quickly and almost invariably leads

to biotin deficiency... "

And:

" The most important aspects of the medical care in patients with

biotin deficiency include the early recognition of the condition and

the prompt institution of therapy with adequate amounts of biotin.

The dosage of biotin that should be administered is debated. Some

authorities suggest a daily intramuscular injection of 150 µg of

biotin. At this dose, symptoms of biotin deficiency begin to resolve

within 3-5 days and are essentially absent within 3-5 months.

The following issues must be addressed:

If the cause of biotin deficiency is the ingestion of raw eggs, the

patient must immediately stop the practice. "

It is a very easy condition to treat, and I'm sure that the 4 vitamin

b-50 capsules we take each day is more than adequate to fix the

problem rather quickly... as well as all the healthy foods we eat!

Just to be safe, I might buy some EXTRA biotin to supplement for a

month or so.

Here's to our health!

Doug

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[Guest guest]

No. I don't want to alarm you. I'm not the expert here... Bee

is. How long have you been on the diet? Are you taking all of the

supplements?? You can do a search here for posts about this. When the

red spot appeared more than a month ago, someone posted that those

spots appeared several times, but then go away. It's most likely part

of the die-off and healing reactions. You can put cod liver oil on it,

and it will get MUCH better, I assure you. It took cod liver oil 3

days to make mine virtually disappear. Now, I'm experimenting with NOT

putting CLO on it, just to see what happens.

If it makes you feel any better, go have a biotin test. Mine wasn't

sore, and I don't think a spot like you are describing is indicative of

biotin deficiency. Is it scaly?? Mine was, and it was a little

smaller than a dime.

Doug

>

> Doug,

> I had a small red circle pop up under my right eye, it acually felt

like a burn. It was soar!!

> It has gotten better but is still there, it has been almost a week.

Do you think it's related to the biotin deficiency?

> Thank's

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Another way around it is to use only 2 whole eggs, and egg yolks only

> for any other eggs you add to the drink. Or you can poach the eggs

> first. Or let the boiling water sit longer so it cooks the whites.

>Hi Bee,

At this point I eat 6 raw eggs a day and don't have major concerns

about the biotin deficiency issue, but I was wondering if the hot

water mixing with the eggs in the Bee's drink cooks the egg white

enough to not make that an issue (if it were one)?

Thanks,

Anita T.

[Guest guest]

>

> Doug,

> I had a small red circle pop up under my right eye, it acually felt

like a burn. It was soar!!

> It has gotten better but is still there, it has been almost a week.

Do you think it's related to the biotin deficiency?

==>I'm not Doug, but " are you taking a B complex supplement? " If you

are you couldn't possible get a biotin deficiency even IF eggs white

may cause it (which I do not believe they do). Skin eruptions are

caused by toxins being eliminated through the skin.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> > Another way around it is to use only 2 whole eggs, and egg yolks

only

> > for any other eggs you add to the drink. Or you can poach the

eggs

> > first. Or let the boiling water sit longer so it cooks the

whites.

>

> >Hi Bee,

> At this point I eat 6 raw eggs a day and don't have major concerns

> about the biotin deficiency issue, but I was wondering if the hot

> water mixing with the eggs in the Bee's drink cooks the egg white

> enough to not make that an issue (if it were one)?

==>Anita, the boiling water may cook the egg whites somewhat, but IF

you are taking all of the supplements you will get biotin (a B

vitamin) in your vitamin B complex. Also your own stomach and

intestines produces biotin, along with many foods that contain biotin.

Bee