Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 http://www.direct-ms.org/vitamind.html this is Ashton Embry's take on Vit D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Hi folks: There was some discussion yesterday about vitamin D deficiency. So today when I was playing around with data at www.fitday.com I was surprised to see I had comfortably exceeded the RDA for D even without sun exposure. As I went through the fifteen items I had consumed today almost all of them supplied zero percent of my vitamin D requirement. That alone suggests it is very easy to fall short of the RDA unless you fortuitously happen to eat the right stuff, or sit in the sun. The only two items that registered as containing any of it were the fish and bran flakes. (But I haven't yet analysed the nutrient content of my soup recipe, so perhaps there is more there). The 100g of fish suppled 77% of the RDA. The bran flakes 35%. The latter is a bit mystifying as neither 'bran' nor 'all bran' are listed as containing any! Perhaps the brand of bran flakes listed at fitday is fortified with D. Mine doesn't say it is. So, I conclude that if one isn't paying atention it is easy to be deficient in vitamin D. Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 You can also find multivitamins which contain only the beta carotene,not the retinol, form of vitamin A. Peg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 The very worst form of a vitamin (such as Vit-D) is the form that brings along new problems that are worse than the one you are trying to solve. Cod liver oil contains the bone-destroying form of Vit-A in the harmful retinol form. Of all foods, liver (and oils extracted from liver) represent the worst of products. Therefore, avoid cod liver oil at all costs. Read the following technical Reference from the prestigious Harvard Health Newsletter: http://hmiworld.org/past_issues/May_June_2002/around_vitaminA.html -- Warren Please be sure to read the above technical reference. Sunshine Vitamin D in pure colecalciferol form (free of retinol) is dirt cheap. 100 tablets (400 IU each) cost less than $4.00. Why spend more, and on something that puts your bones at risk? ================== on 21 Jan 2004, Rodney wrote: > > So, I conclude that if one isn't paying attention it is easy to be > deficient in vitamin D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Warren: good point. But the brand I bought (2500IU of A in one pill) is well within the 10,000IU recommendation that the Harvard letter recommends as discussed in this paragraph: " For most Americans, the single largest source of retinol is multivitamin pills. But this doesn¹t mean you should stop taking multivitamins. The evidence of their benefit is persuasive. It does mean, however, you might avoid brands that go overboard with vitamin A doses of 10,000 IU, which is double the daily amount that the FDA currently recommends, and four times the daily amount that the nurses¹ study suggests is optimal. A safer choice would be a brand containing 5,000 IU or less " on 1/23/2004 4:09 PM, Warren at warren.taylor@... wrote: > Therefore, avoid cod liver oil at all costs. Read the following > technical Reference from the prestigious Harvard Health Newsletter: > > http://hmiworld.org/past_issues/May_June_2002/around_vitaminA.html > > -- Warren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Vit A aside, I wonder if the vit d in cod liver oil is "natural"(ly) better than a pill. Seems most of our food has a supp added right? I don't use CLO, but I wonder about a food form of vit d. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:09 PM Subject: RE: [ ] Vitamin D The very worst form of a vitamin (such as Vit-D) is the form that brings along new problems that are worse than the one you are trying to solve. Cod liver oil contains the bone-destroying form of Vit-A in the harmful retinol form. Of all foods, liver (and oils extractedfrom liver) represent the worst of products.Therefore, avoid cod liver oil at all costs. Read the followingtechnical Reference from the prestigious Harvard Health Newsletter:http://hmiworld.org/past_issues/May_June_2002/around_vitaminA.html-- Warren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 How about sardines? http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s036b.html >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:32:10 -0600 > >Vit A aside, I wonder if the vit d in cod liver oil is " natural " (ly) >better than a pill. Seems most of our food has a supp added right? I don't >use CLO, but I wonder about a food form of vit d. > >Regards. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Warren > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:09 PM > Subject: RE: [ ] Vitamin D > > > The very worst form of a vitamin (such as Vit-D) is the form > that brings along new problems that are worse than the one > you are trying to solve. > > Cod liver oil contains the bone-destroying form of Vit-A in the > harmful retinol form. Of all foods, liver (and oils extracted > from liver) represent the worst of products. > > Therefore, avoid cod liver oil at all costs. Read the following > technical Reference from the prestigious Harvard Health Newsletter: > > http://hmiworld.org/past_issues/May_June_2002/around_vitaminA.html > > -- Warren > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Thanks, , Good point! should have checked sr16. I much prefer sardines to CLO. What's this - shitake mushrooms 1660. 1 tsp of CLO: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl 1350 ret, 450 vit D, 25 cholesterol, poly's 1 gram. 40.5 kcals One 3.75 oz can Atlantic sardines http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl 29 ret, 250 vit D, 130 cholesterol, polys 4.7 gm. 191 kcals 100 gm pacific sardines http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl 32 ret, 480 D, 61 chole, polys 2 gms. 186 kcals Mushrooms, shiitake, dried 15 gms http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl 0 ret, 250 D, zero chole and ~zero FA's. energy 44 kcals Looks like CLO beats it for calories - maybe that was Fran's point. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowling Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D How about sardines?http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s036b.html>From: "jwwright" <jwwright@...>>Reply- >< >>Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:32:10 -0600>>Vit A aside, I wonder if the vit d in cod liver oil is "natural"(ly) >better than a pill. Seems most of our food has a supp added right? I don't >use CLO, but I wonder about a food form of vit d.>>Regards.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Hi folks: I just checked a bottle of " Vitamin D " capsules in a local drug store. They contain 100 I.U. of vitamin D and **** 1250 I.U. **** of " vitamin A (retinol) " . Now isn't that interesting. Rodney. --- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...> wrote: > Vit A aside, I wonder if the vit d in cod liver oil is " natural " (ly) better than a pill. Seems most of our food has a supp added right? I don't use CLO, but I wonder about a food form of vit d. > > Regards. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Warren > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:09 PM > Subject: RE: [ ] Vitamin D > > > The very worst form of a vitamin (such as Vit-D) is the form > that brings along new problems that are worse than the one > you are trying to solve. > > Cod liver oil contains the bone-destroying form of Vit-A in the > harmful retinol form. Of all foods, liver (and oils extracted > from liver) represent the worst of products. > > Therefore, avoid cod liver oil at all costs. Read the following > technical Reference from the prestigious Harvard Health Newsletter: > > http://hmiworld.org/past_issues/May_June_2002/around_vitaminA.html > > -- Warren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Thanks for the info about the shitake mushrooms- I didn't know those were so high in Vit. D. I wonder if there is any difference between plant Vit D and fish Vit D? >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:26:58 -0600 > >Thanks, , >Good point! should have checked sr16. I much prefer sardines to CLO. What's >this - shitake mushrooms 1660. >1 tsp of CLO: > http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl 1350 ret, 450 vit D, 25 >cholesterol, poly's 1 gram. 40.5 kcals > >One 3.75 oz can Atlantic sardines >http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl 29 ret, 250 vit D, 130 >cholesterol, polys 4.7 gm. 191 kcals > >100 gm pacific sardines >http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl 32 ret, 480 D, 61 chole, >polys 2 gms. 186 kcals > >Mushrooms, shiitake, dried 15 gms >http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl 0 ret, 250 D, zero chole >and ~zero FA's. energy 44 kcals > >Looks like CLO beats it for calories - maybe that was Fran's point. > >Regards. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dowling > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D > > > How about sardines? > > > http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s036b.html > > > > >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> > >Reply- > >< > > >Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D > >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:32:10 -0600 > > > >Vit A aside, I wonder if the vit d in cod liver oil is " natural " (ly) > >better than a pill. Seems most of our food has a supp added right? I >don't > >use CLO, but I wonder about a food form of vit d. > > > >Regards. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 I posted recently about shitake's and nori See: /message/9629. Nori is also very high in D. on 1/25/2004 7:39 AM, Dowling at dowlic@... wrote: > Thanks for the info about the shitake mushrooms- I didn't know those were so > high in Vit. D. > > I wonder if there is any difference between plant Vit D and fish Vit D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Thanks, Francesca- Don't know how I missed that, but now I know! >From: Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:05:53 -0500 > >I posted recently about shitake's and nori See: > /message/9629. > >Nori is also very high in D. > > >on 1/25/2004 7:39 AM, Dowling at dowlic@... wrote: > > > Thanks for the info about the shitake mushrooms- I didn't know those >were so > > high in Vit. D. > > > > I wonder if there is any difference between plant Vit D and fish Vit D? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 D3 and D2 per: http://www.mykopat.slu.se/mycorrhiza/kantarellfiler/texter/vitaminartikel.pdf I looked at vit d a while back and decided to take the pill (cholecalciferol) as well as sun. In sr16 vit d is not specified as to type. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowling Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D Thanks for the info about the shitake mushrooms- I didn't know those were so high in Vit. D.I wonder if there is any difference between plant Vit D and fish Vit D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 At the grocery store just now, I checked out some shiitakes. The label said " don't eat raw. " As I eat most of my veggies raw, including common white mushrooms, I found this unusual. Haven't found an explanation yet....anyone? Bueller? >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:16:13 -0600 > >D3 and D2 per: >http://www.mykopat.slu.se/mycorrhiza/kantarellfiler/texter/vitaminartikel.pdf > >I looked at vit d a while back and decided to take the pill >(cholecalciferol) as well as sun. > >In sr16 vit d is not specified as to type. > >Regards. > > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Dowling > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:39 AM > Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D > > > Thanks for the info about the shitake mushrooms- I didn't know those >were so > high in Vit. D. > > I wonder if there is any difference between plant Vit D and fish Vit D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Hi : The issue may be sterilization. I use shiitakes (and kikurages too) in my infamous soup, the recipe for which I will share when I have done a full nutritional analysis of it. Sometimes if I put the mushrooms in the soup at the very end of the cooking process (and so perhaps not brought all the way up to sterilization temperature) I have experienced some minor stomach upset after eating it. Not a big deal. But that may be the reason. What I do now is slice them (both shiitake and kikurage) then simmer them briefly in water in a separate small pot, discarding the water before adding them to the soup pot after I have turned off the heat. I haven't had a problem since introducing this procedure. Rodney. > At the grocery store just now, I checked out some shiitakes. The label said > " don't eat raw. " As I eat most of my veggies raw, including common white > mushrooms, I found this unusual. Haven't found an explanation yet....anyone? > Bueller? > > > >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@e...> > >Reply- > >< > > >Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D > >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:16:13 -0600 > > > >D3 and D2 per: > >http://www.mykopat.slu.se/mycorrhiza/kantarellfiler/texter/vitaminart ikel.pdf > > > >I looked at vit d a while back and decided to take the pill > >(cholecalciferol) as well as sun. > > > >In sr16 vit d is not specified as to type. > > > >Regards. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dowling > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D > > > > > > Thanks for the info about the shitake mushrooms- I didn't know those > >were so > > high in Vit. D. > > > > I wonder if there is any difference between plant Vit D and fish Vit D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 I too use them in cooked dishes such as soup. If you buy the dried, you have to rehydrate them anyway. Shiitakes add much flavor to soup, as does Nori. on 1/25/2004 3:58 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote: > Hi : > > The issue may be sterilization. I use shiitakes (and kikurages too) > in my infamous soup, the recipe for which I will share when I have > done a full nutritional analysis of it. > > Sometimes if I put the mushrooms in the soup at the very end of the > cooking process (and so perhaps not brought all the way up to > sterilization temperature) I have experienced some minor stomach > upset after eating it. Not a big deal. But that may be the reason. > > What I do now is slice them (both shiitake and kikurage) then simmer > them briefly in water in a separate small pot, discarding the water > before adding them to the soup pot after I have turned off the heat. > I haven't had a problem since introducing this procedure. > > Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 I've been doing a little research on shiitake mushrooms. It appears that, at least in the raw form, they tend to induce a high incidence of blood eosinophilia and have been associated with both contact dermatitis and dermatitis induced by ingestion. I don't know if cooking completely resolves the dermatitis and eosinophilia issues. >From: Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Vitamin D >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:02:42 -0500 > >I too use them in cooked dishes such as soup. If you buy the dried, you >have to rehydrate them anyway. Shiitakes add much flavor to soup, as does >Nori. > > >on 1/25/2004 3:58 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote: > > > Hi : > > > > The issue may be sterilization. I use shiitakes (and kikurages too) > > in my infamous soup, the recipe for which I will share when I have > > done a full nutritional analysis of it. > > > > Sometimes if I put the mushrooms in the soup at the very end of the > > cooking process (and so perhaps not brought all the way up to > > sterilization temperature) I have experienced some minor stomach > > upset after eating it. Not a big deal. But that may be the reason. > > > > What I do now is slice them (both shiitake and kikurage) then simmer > > them briefly in water in a separate small pot, discarding the water > > before adding them to the soup pot after I have turned off the heat. > > I haven't had a problem since introducing this procedure. > > > > Rodney. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Shiitakes raw have been associated with contact dermaitis, dermatitis with ingestion, blood eosinophilia, and GI upset, all of which appear to be allergic reactions. Apparently cooking reduces the incidence of allergic reactions to the mushrooms. >From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@...> >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] Re: Vitamin D >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:58:38 -0000 > >Hi : > >The issue may be sterilization. I use shiitakes (and kikurages too) >in my infamous soup, the recipe for which I will share when I have >done a full nutritional analysis of it. > >Sometimes if I put the mushrooms in the soup at the very end of the >cooking process (and so perhaps not brought all the way up to >sterilization temperature) I have experienced some minor stomach >upset after eating it. Not a big deal. But that may be the reason. > >What I do now is slice them (both shiitake and kikurage) then simmer >them briefly in water in a separate small pot, discarding the water >before adding them to the soup pot after I have turned off the heat. >I haven't had a problem since introducing this procedure. > >Rodney. > > > > At the grocery store just now, I checked out some shiitakes. The >label said > > " don't eat raw. " As I eat most of my veggies raw, including common >white > > mushrooms, I found this unusual. Haven't found an explanation >yet....anyone? > > Bueller? > > > > > > >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@e...> > > >Reply- > > >< > > > >Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D > > >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:16:13 -0600 > > > > > >D3 and D2 per: > > > >http://www.mykopat.slu.se/mycorrhiza/kantarellfiler/texter/vitaminart >ikel.pdf > > > > > >I looked at vit d a while back and decided to take the pill > > >(cholecalciferol) as well as sun. > > > > > >In sr16 vit d is not specified as to type. > > > > > >Regards. > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Dowling > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:39 AM > > > Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info about the shitake mushrooms- I didn't know >those > > >were so > > > high in Vit. D. > > > > > > I wonder if there is any difference between plant Vit D and >fish Vit D? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Cool I am still going to stick to the 4000 i.u. daily suggested by Dr. Embry for wintertime and then switch up to the lower dose come summertime. Reading all he has researched etc… it seems to make sense to me. I think everyone needs to do their own research ask questions get answers and form their own opinion of what they feel comfortable with, much like choosing LDN. From: carrieland2@... [mailto:carrieland2@...] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:49 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Vitamin D Just thought I'd pass along the conversation I had with Dr. Bihari about Vitamin D. He is recommending 1000-1200 I.U. daily. He doesn't think there's been enough research done on the higher amounts. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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