Re: Cod Liver Oil Question

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In a message dated 2/20/03 11:59:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

talithakumi@... writes:

>

> I have a question about the cod liver oil. I recall everyone taking it as

> part of Price's recommendation for teeth regeneration--i.e. mixing CLO

> w/butter, but the recent thread on CLO mentioned extended bleeding time.

> I'm wondering how CLO does this. Dr. Ron mentioned that the platelets

> counts are fine, so what causes the extended bleeding time? Does it

prevent

> the platelets from being too sticky? Or does it actually thin out the blood

> in some way? Maybe it helps to increase plasma volume thus reducing the

> hematocrit so the blood is not too concentrated? Or is it completely

> something else like having something to do with altering the diameter of

the

> vessels? Does it affect hormones thus causing extended bleeding time?

Does

> anyone know?

I would expect it to thin blood somewhat *and* dilate blood vessels, since

the end-chain n-3s promote anti-inflammatory hormones. This would be a good

thing, I would think, like taking asprin to prevent a heart attack but

without the horrible potential side effects. Barry Sears notes blood thinning

and vessel dilation as result of anti-inflammatory eicosanoid pathways.

Chris

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Hi Marla,

Decreased platelet adhesion is a classic effect, caused by the change in the

balance of prostaglandins that is brought on by fish oils. I think that is the

major reason for what I call normal increased bleeding time in people on

traditional diets that feature fish oil.

Increased plasma volume is a classic effect of endurance exercise, and

traditional people all got plenty of that (walking counts). Marathon runners

have blood volumes up to 40% above normal for their size, and usually " runner's

anemia' - slightly low red blood cell counts, hemoglobin, and hematocrit, but

perfectly fine. The extra blood volume more than makes up for the low levels per

unit volume and the total O2-carrying cpacity is vast. The thinner blood can be

forced thru capillaries more efficiently. With higher blood volume, more blood

can be lost without it becoming a serious problem - so the increased bleeding

time is okay too.

I don't know how the fish oil would increase the blood volume...but I'm no

expert in physiology.

I wonder if lots of grass-fed butter could have similar effects...does anyone

know how much EPA/DHA is in it?

Ron

----- Original Message -----

From: Marla

Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:16 AM

Subject: cod liver oil question

Hi All:

I have a question about the cod liver oil. I recall everyone taking it as

part of Price's recommendation for teeth regeneration--i.e. mixing CLO

w/butter, but the recent thread on CLO mentioned extended bleeding time.

I'm wondering how CLO does this. Dr. Ron mentioned that the platelets

counts are fine, so what causes the extended bleeding time? Does it prevent

the platelets from being too sticky? Or does it actually thin out the blood

in some way? Maybe it helps to increase plasma volume thus reducing the

hematocrit so the blood is not too concentrated? Or is it completely

something else like having something to do with altering the diameter of the

vessels? Does it affect hormones thus causing extended bleeding time? Does

anyone know?

Marla

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Hi Dr. Ron:

Thanks so much for this info. (And others who responded--Chris. )) This

helps answer what I need to try next. More exercise! I've been recovering

from severe aplastic anemia, and now, can you believe my hematocrit is

slightly *higher* than the normal range for women! Ack! All those blood

transfusions (close to 200 units of red cells and platelets), I never

thought I'd have to worry about making *too much* red blood! I was

concerned about developing polycythemia vera, but I don't seem to have the

other symptoms for that. Besides, I've heard of PVC developing to aplastic

anemia, but not the other way around. I'll spare you all the other sordid

details, but just wanted to thank you for this info. I've been trying to

make sense of it all and trying to figure out my next strategy.

Marla

>

> Decreased platelet adhesion is a classic effect, caused by the change in

the balance of prostaglandins that is brought on by fish oils. I think that

is the major reason for what I call normal increased bleeding time in people

on traditional diets that feature fish oil.

>

> Increased plasma volume is a classic effect of endurance exercise, and

traditional people all got plenty of that (walking counts). Marathon runners

have blood volumes up to 40% above normal for their size, and usually

" runner's anemia' - slightly low red blood cell counts, hemoglobin, and

hematocrit, but perfectly fine. The extra blood volume more than makes up

for the low levels per unit volume and the total O2-carrying cpacity is

vast. The thinner blood can be forced thru capillaries more efficiently.

With higher blood volume, more blood can be lost without it becoming a

serious problem - so the increased bleeding time is okay too.

>

> I don't know how the fish oil would increase the blood volume...but I'm no

expert in physiology.

>

> I wonder if lots of grass-fed butter could have similar effects...does

anyone know how much EPA/DHA is in it?

>

> Ron

>

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Ron: check to see how much Vit A you are getting in the CLO. Vit A is

toxic in high doses. Better to take beta-carotene (Vit A precurser) to

better yet to get your Vit A from: sweet potatoes, carrots, apricots, etc.

on 12/31/2003 11:26 AM, Ron at ron@... wrote:

> Considering that I take cod liver oil on a daily basis, I'm now concerned

> about the above statement, especially regarding osteoporosis.

> Does this only refer to excessive amounts of cod liver oil and should I stop

> taking it from now on?

>

> Can anyone enlighten me please?

>

> Ron T

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We are using " Nordic Naturals - Children DHA " (supposed to be molecularly

distilled). You can get this from Whole Food Store and/or Any natural food

store.

- Lyn

Robyn & Greg Coggins <rngcoggs@...> wrote:

If understand it correctly, you need a brand that is molecularly

distilled. This eliminates all/most of the mercury.

HTH,

Robyn

Le <leannalp@...> wrote:

I was reading in the book, The Maker's Diet, and Cod Liver Oil is

mentioned in a very short blurb being helpful for autism.

A question came to mind, though.

If most of the world's seafood has mercury in it, and mercury is one

thing autism wants to avoid, then how do they make CLO without mercury?

Is there an organic/certified brand?

Thanks!

Le

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This topic came up at another board recently.

Below is a response from Nordic Naturals (responding to my email).

They have a third party test their supplements and can give you a

certificate of purity for each batch....

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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:56:27 -0800

Subject: Re: clarification please

From: bmiller@...

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