Guest guest Posted April 13, 2001 Report Share Posted April 13, 2001 Perhaps would feel better if we only referred to our higher power as a " bastard. " It's funny how she can fling that word around but become offended at the mere mention of Jesus. Strange.................. Charlene > > > > > > >And that thankfulness does NOT exclude trying to help our children > > >get better. I have a friend who says I should just accept > > >this " cross " and know that God has given it to us for His reasons. > > >BUT, I DO believe we're to do whatever we can to help our son get > > >better, not out of selfishness, as this friend subtly suggests, but > > >for his own benefit. It's been in this active fight that we've > > >overcome the most hurdles, whether they be spiritual, emotional, or > > >intellectual. There are SO MANY positive changes in our family's > > >life as a result of this struggle to accept, work with, and fight our > > >son's autism. > > > > I agree! I would never have the strength to keep fighting this thing > > without my faith in Jesus. He has held me together. I would never want to > > be doing this on my own. Lynette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >======================================================= > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2001 Report Share Posted April 14, 2001 , I've met you, and am grateful for you, and we share the same bond having children with autism. Yes, but we do differ in our beliefs, but the scripture says, Enter through the narrow gate, For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life , and only a few find it. , this is the word of God, you need not argue with us, but if you doubt take it to the Lord in prayer. And yes I am glad my mind is small, as a childs, I come to the Lord as a child would in faith, and I am glad that my mind is small and narrow, and you need to know that the innocence of your child is a one way gate into heaven, and one day she will be their, with or without you. In Christs love we will share, and pray for you , Leah > > > > > > > > > > > > >And that thankfulness does NOT exclude trying to help our > > children > > > > >get better. I have a friend who says I should just accept > > > > >this " cross " and know that God has given it to us for His > > reasons. > > > > >BUT, I DO believe we're to do whatever we can to help our son get > > > > >better, not out of selfishness, as this friend subtly suggests, > > but > > > > >for his own benefit. It's been in this active fight that we've > > > > >overcome the most hurdles, whether they be spiritual, emotional, > > or > > > > >intellectual. There are SO MANY positive changes in our family's > > > > >life as a result of this struggle to accept, work with, and fight > > our > > > > >son's autism. > > > > > > > > I agree! I would never have the strength to keep fighting this > > thing > > > > without my faith in Jesus. He has held me together. I would never > > want to > > > > be doing this on my own. Lynette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >======================================================= > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2001 Report Share Posted April 14, 2001 Let's just leave it at this: Those moved to make religious postings will use an appropriate subject line so that those of us who don't wish to read them can avoid doing so. 's post below is no more 'in your face' than telling someone who doesn't want to talk about religion that you are going to pray for them. I thought the point of prayer was to ask something of God - it should make no difference to him whether you have gone out of your way to alienate the subject of your prayer before you talk to Him about it. Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And that thankfulness does NOT exclude trying to help our > > > > children > > > > > > >get better. I have a friend who says I should just accept > > > > > > >this " cross " and know that God has given it to us for His > > > > reasons. > > > > > > >BUT, I DO believe we're to do whatever we can to help our > > son get > > > > > > >better, not out of selfishness, as this friend subtly > > suggests, > > > > but > > > > > > >for his own benefit. It's been in this active fight that > > we've > > > > > > >overcome the most hurdles, whether they be spiritual, > > emotional, > > > > or > > > > > > >intellectual. There are SO MANY positive changes in our > > family's > > > > > > >life as a result of this struggle to accept, work with, and > > fight > > > > our > > > > > > >son's autism. > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree! I would never have the strength to keep fighting this > > > > thing > > > > > > without my faith in Jesus. He has held me together. I would > > never > > > > want to > > > > > > be doing this on my own. Lynette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >======================================================= > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Whoa. There's a big difference between saying: " I'm a Buddhist and here's what I believe......... " and saying: " The FACT is Jesus has tasted death for us........ " (Brad's exact words). The former is giving us info about the poster and what he/she thinks; the latter is states that his belief is a fact; something that not everyone (most of the world's population) does not accept. Then a narrow minded religious bigot can cloak their rhetoric in the mantle of " just answering the question " . So post away. But be sure and include the caveat that these are YOUR views and not such pompous, arragant statements that these are FACTS. on 1/8/2004 2:35 PM, kimlynette@... at kimlynette@... wrote: > What the heck. I wouldn't mind hearing a Buddhist perspective, or Hindu or any > other kind and I wouldn't tell them they couldn't say it either. We have had > Judaism alluded to on the other list and I love it. This is what makes the > folks here more real to me. We had moderators on another list I have been on, > get very upset before and one way it was handled was to include the word > " religious " in the subject line, that way, people offended by religious > viewpoints could ignore the posts, or people interested in divergent > viewpoints could access the post. Could we do something like this? It seems > the most balanced and fair to all points of views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Sorry you feel that way Dennis. But we are not " among Christians " here. We are " among " a diverse group that I assume is made up of Buddhists, Skihhs, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, humanists, athiests, and whatever else the makeup of the world is. And even if we were " all Christian " in this group (which we're not) , that doesn't mean that we would have some sort of " lock " on the " truth " . By your own account 66% of the world's population believes otherwise - a wide majority. Perhaps you've never had the offense of being told that your beliefs are inferior and others know better what you should or shouldn't believe. I suggest you put yourself in those shoes sometime. I am happy to observe that it drives more people away than converts them. I take nothing back from what I said. on 1/8/2004 3:01 PM, Dennis De Jarnette at positivedennis@... wrote: > Whoa, > > While as List God you can do what you wish, but to say that someone > saying that " Jesus tasted death for us " as the words of a : " Then a > narrow minded > religious bigot can cloak their rhetoric in the mantle of " just answering > the question " . " Surely I am misreading you here? > > This is a very common Christian formulation that, among Christians is > very non controversial, that 33% of the world population would agree with. > > For me I always think that any post represents the posters views, and > do not see how anyone can think otherwise. There is nothing that has > been been contradicted by someone at some time, so by the logic I see > here, then there is no such thing as a fact. Foucault might agree but I > certainly do not. > > Actually I do not think that religious posts belong here so forbid them > as far as I am concerned, but, maybe I am wrong here, but I viewed your > post as a personal attack on Brad totally out of keeping with every > other post that you have posted over the years. > > Positive Dennis > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Francesca Skelton wrote: Sorry you feel that way Dennis. But we are not "among Christians" here. I did not think we were and I expressed my desire for no religious posts here, it is just a lot of unnecessary traffic that detracts from the purpose of the list. But it seems that calling a rather innocuous post "religious Bigotry" was way way over the top. We are "among" a diverse group that I assume is made up of Buddhists, Skihhs, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, humanists, atheists, and whatever else the makeup of the world is. And even if we were "all Christian" in this group (which we're not) , that doesn't mean that we would have some sort of "lock" on the "truth". By your own account 66% of the world's population believes otherwise - a wide majority. Perhaps you've never had the offense of being told that your beliefs are inferior and others know better what you should or shouldn't believe. LOL, as a christian that goes to church on Saturday and does not observe Christmas, I think that I have had this told to me many times. I suggest you put yourself in those shoes sometime. I am happy to observe that it drives more people away than converts them. I take nothing back from what I said. too bad, I really thought you would, but I guess we all have "hot button" issues and this is yours. Positive Dennis on 1/8/2004 3:01 PM, Dennis De Jarnette at positivedennis@... wrote: > Whoa, > > While as List God you can do what you wish, but to say that someone > saying that "Jesus tasted death for us" as the words of a : "Then a > narrow minded > religious bigot can cloak their rhetoric in the mantle of "just answering > the question"." Surely I am misreading you here? > > This is a very common Christian formulation that, among Christians is > very non controversial, that 33% of the world population would agree with. > > For me I always think that any post represents the posters views, and > do not see how anyone can think otherwise. There is nothing that has > been been contradicted by someone at some time, so by the logic I see > here, then there is no such thing as a fact. Foucault might agree but I > certainly do not. > > Actually I do not think that religious posts belong here so forbid them > as far as I am concerned, but, maybe I am wrong here, but I viewed your > post as a personal attack on Brad totally out of keeping with every > other post that you have posted over the years. > > Positive Dennis > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 > If I were asked, I would suggest that religious references of any kind have > no place in CR practice, because rather than imparting information, such > discussion leads only to division and dissention. That doesn't seem productive. > Peg Hi Peg and All, What about discussing biblical nutrition or food restrictions? Cheers, Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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