Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

[Guest guest]

Very interesting. Some of the comments on this list do sound very similar

to those of folks I have known who use street drugs and encourage others to

do so because they will feel wonderful, young, full of energy and capable of

any task.

BUT,too much of a good thing does eventually burn one out. I hope that

won't be so for those who self dose.

Dusty

Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

>

> A point I've tried to make here repeatedly; it always seems to fall upon

> deaf ears.

>

> Have you ever read about Freud and opium?

>

>

>

> >

> > Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

> > <http://groups.

> <http://groups.

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> > Posted by: " Dusty " dustybrookehurst (DOT)

> <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net> net

> > <mailto:dustybrookehurst (DOT) <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>

>

net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Anyone%20with%20weight%20gain%20have%20Liposuction%3F

> >

> > mslatrobe <http://profiles. <http://profiles.

<mslatrobe> /mslatrobe

> <http://profiles. <mslatrobe>

/mslatrobe>>

> /mslatrobe>

> >

> >

> > Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:36 am (PST)

> >

> > Cocaine/heroin and the likes make folks feel good, but it isn't

> > necessarily

> > the right way to medicate whatever ails us.

[Guest guest]

So if I have absolutely no symptoms of being hypEr or hypO, have no

symptoms of menopause, feel and look healthy, and am not suffering

from any sort of overdose effect I'm going to eventually burn out

because I'm replacing with bioidenticals? I suppose the same would

have to be said for someone who still possesses their thyroid

ovaries/uterus in the same good health with the same amount of

hormones in them naturally then, eh?

Sam :-\

>

> Very interesting. Some of the comments on this list do sound very

similar

> to those of folks I have known who use street drugs and encourage

others to

> do so because they will feel wonderful, young, full of energy and

capable of

> any task.

>

> BUT,too much of a good thing does eventually burn one out. I hope

that

> won't be so for those who self dose.

>

> Dusty

>

> Re: Anyone with weight gain have

Liposuction?

> >

> > A point I've tried to make here repeatedly; it always seems to

fall upon

> > deaf ears.

> >

> > Have you ever read about Freud and opium?

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

> > > <http://groups.

> > <http://groups.

>

<hypothyroidism/message/34695;_ylc=X3oDM

TJxazV

> > /group/hypothyroidism/message/34695;_ylc=X3oDMTJxazV

> > <http://groups.

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> >

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Posted by: " Dusty " dustybrookehurst (DOT)

> > <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net> net

> > > <mailto:dustybrookehurst (DOT) <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>

> >

> net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Anyone%20with%20weight%20gain%20have%

20Liposuction%3F

> > >

> > > mslatrobe <http://profiles. <http://profiles.

> <mslatrobe> /mslatrobe

> > <http://profiles. <mslatrobe>

> /mslatrobe>>

> > /mslatrobe>

> > >

> > >

> > > Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:36 am (PST)

> > >

> > > Cocaine/heroin and the likes make folks feel good, but it isn't

> > > necessarily

> > > the right way to medicate whatever ails us.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don't you take 7 grains [or is it 11] of Armour? And several times the

recommended daily dosage of iodine? If so, do you think your body's

levels of hormones are the same as levels as those of a person with no

medical problems?

And given that some of us are not convinced [as are you and Gracia] that

what you're doing is safe can't you understand why some of us would be

concerned about your health??? Right or wrong, our concern is genuine.

>

> Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight gain have

> Liposuction?

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

>

<mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Freud%20and%20Cocaine%20Was%3A%\

20Anyone%20with%20weight%20gain%20have%20Liposuction%3F>

> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

>

> Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:34 pm (PST)

>

> So if I have absolutely no symptoms of being hypEr or hypO, have no

> symptoms of menopause, feel and look healthy, and am not suffering

> from any sort of overdose effect I'm going to eventually burn out

> because I'm replacing with bioidenticals? I suppose the same would

> have to be said for someone who still possesses their thyroid

> ovaries/uterus in the same good health with the same amount of

> hormones in them naturally then, eh?

>

> Sam :-\

>

>

> >

> > Very interesting. Some of the comments on this list do sound very

> similar

> > to those of folks I have known who use street drugs and encourage

> others to

> > do so because they will feel wonderful, young, full of energy and

> capable of

> > any task.

> >

> > BUT,too much of a good thing does eventually burn one out. I hope

> that

> > won't be so for those who self dose.

> >

> > Dusty

[Guest guest]

11+ grains of Armour and a healing dose of iodine/iodide - remember I

have DNA, receptor, and NIS et al damage from RAI that needs to heal

and all that.

Obviously my levels of hormones are that which my body needs to

function properly and in a healthy way. , I am giving my body

back that which it lost. If I was doing it wrong, I would be

symptomatic and have health issues because of it. I promise, it's ok

that I'm healthy...I wish you were as healthy as I am.

It seems as tho you all would be quite happy to see me lower my

dosages of a what I am taking so it will make YOU ALL feel better,

however I would become quite ill. Sorry, darlin', but there is no way

in h*ll I will go against taking what my body apparently needs. As my

wonderful and awesome naturopath has said over and over It doesn't

matter what amount anyone takes, it matters that they do well on it.

Do you know what it feels like to take too much thyroid hormones?

It feels TERRIBLE. Imagine " thyroid storm " , or a heart rate over

160bpm and going wild, or shaking so bad you can't walk straight, or

having diarrhea, etc. You'd be sort of nutso if you thought I'd

actually do " that " to myself. (:-o

Sam

> > >

> > > Very interesting. Some of the comments on this list do sound

very

> > similar

> > > to those of folks I have known who use street drugs and

encourage

> > others to

> > > do so because they will feel wonderful, young, full of energy

and

> > capable of

> > > any task.

> > >

> > > BUT,too much of a good thing does eventually burn one out. I

hope

> > that

> > > won't be so for those who self dose.

> > >

> > > Dusty

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sam. Don't get your dander up; no one's trying to tell you what to

do! Like it would have any effect anyway [ggg]. I'm a little old for

you to be spanking [just turned 67] {GGG}. But you're taking a lot more

Armour [i think] than the maximum recommended by the manufacturer [isn't

that right???] so it's natural for us to be concerned about an over

dose. It's my understanding that some of the damage [such as to your

heart] from taking too much can cause irreversible damage before you

have any symptoms.

I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like; no. But I've had

arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember, and a heart rate of 160

would be low for some of my episodes. Fortunately my calcium blocker

does a good job in controlling it.

I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best for your health; but

what you do sometimes is scary.

>

>

> Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight gain have

> Liposuction?

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

>

<mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Freud%20and%20Cocaine%20Was%3A%\

20Anyone%20with%20weight%20gain%20have%20Liposuction%3F>

> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

>

> Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:37 pm (PST)

>

> 11+ grains of Armour and a healing dose of iodine/iodide - remember I

> have DNA, receptor, and NIS et al damage from RAI that needs to heal

> and all that.

>

> Obviously my levels of hormones are that which my body needs to

> function properly and in a healthy way. , I am giving my body

> back that which it lost. If I was doing it wrong, I would be

> symptomatic and have health issues because of it. I promise, it's ok

> that I'm healthy...I wish you were as healthy as I am.

>

> It seems as tho you all would be quite happy to see me lower my

> dosages of a what I am taking so it will make YOU ALL feel better,

> however I would become quite ill. Sorry, darlin', but there is no way

> in h*ll I will go against taking what my body apparently needs. As my

> wonderful and awesome naturopath has said over and over It doesn't

> matter what amount anyone takes, it matters that they do well on it.

>

> Do you know what it feels like to take too much thyroid hormones?

> It feels TERRIBLE. Imagine " thyroid storm " , or a heart rate over

> 160bpm and going wild, or shaking so bad you can't walk straight, or

> having diarrhea, etc. You'd be sort of nutso if you thought I'd

> actually do " that " to myself. (:-o

>

> Sam

>

>

> >

> > Don't you take 7 grains [or is it 11] of Armour? And several times

> the

> > recommended daily dosage of iodine? If so, do you think your

> body's

> > levels of hormones are the same as levels as those of a person with

> no

> > medical problems?

> >

> > And given that some of us are not convinced [as are you and Gracia]

> that

> > what you're doing is safe can't you understand why some of us would

> be

> > concerned about your health??? Right or wrong, our concern is

> genuine.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:34 pm (PST)

> > >

> > > So if I have absolutely no symptoms of being hypEr or hypO, have

> no

> > > symptoms of menopause, feel and look healthy, and am not suffering

> > > from any sort of overdose effect I'm going to eventually burn out

> > > because I'm replacing with bioidenticals? I suppose the same would

> > > have to be said for someone who still possesses their thyroid

> > > ovaries/uterus in the same good health with the same amount of

> > > hormones in them naturally then, eh?

> > >

> > > Sam :-\

[Guest guest]

Why should I 'not' get my dander up? It's been inferred by some of

y'all that I don't know what I am doing, I am stupidly

damaging/killing myself, and that I'm more or less similar to a drug

addict/dealer/pusher, even tho I am HEALTHY!

Do you have any idea how hard I had to FIGHT to get my health back?

Do you realize I almost died because of the 'care' I was being given

before I got on Armour Thyroid?

At this point in time I am under the care of 2 medical professionals

who prescribe my meds in the exact dosages I am healthy on. Yes,

that's right, I get prescriptions for 11+ grains of Armour and BHRT

and my health coverage pays for it. If what I am taking was making me

UNhealthy, they would not be prescribing it for me.

And no, 67 is not too old to get a spanking.

Sam

ps - consider having you magnesium/potassium/sodium checked, along

with aldosterone/renin, and please note the side effects listed in

the product insert for the T4 drug you are taking.

>

> Hi, Sam. Don't get your dander up; no one's trying to tell you

what to

> do! Like it would have any effect anyway [ggg]. I'm a little

old for

> you to be spanking [just turned 67] {GGG}. But you're taking a lot

more

> Armour [i think] than the maximum recommended by the manufacturer

[isn't

> that right???] so it's natural for us to be concerned about an over

> dose. It's my understanding that some of the damage [such as to

your

> heart] from taking too much can cause irreversible damage before

you

> have any symptoms.

>

> I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like; no. But I've had

> arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember, and a heart rate of

160

> would be low for some of my episodes. Fortunately my calcium

blocker

> does a good job in controlling it.

>

> I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best for your health;

but

> what you do sometimes is scary.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm glad you are healthy. Why do you have to be upset when someone cares

and is trying to look out for your welfare. I would consider myself lucky when

people look out for me. You, yourself have given me some advice. Is that

because

you are pushing your favorite products, or because you genuinely care?

As an extra added attraction, I am going to be an Armour girl from now on,

because

this new insurance company won't pay for the Thyrolar, but will pay for the

Armour.

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

Why should I 'not' get my dander up? It's been inferred by some of

y'all that I don't know what I am doing, I am stupidly

damaging/killing myself, and that I'm more or less similar to a drug

addict/dealer/pusher, even tho I am HEALTHY!

Do you have any idea how hard I had to FIGHT to get my health back?

Do you realize I almost died because of the 'care' I was being given

before I got on Armour Thyroid?

At this point in time I am under the care of 2 medical professionals

who prescribe my meds in the exact dosages I am healthy on. Yes,

that's right, I get prescriptions for 11+ grains of Armour and BHRT

and my health coverage pays for it. If what I am taking was making me

UNhealthy, they would not be prescribing it for me.

And no, 67 is not too old to get a spanking.

Sam

ps - consider having you magnesium/potassium/sodium checked, along

with aldosterone/renin, and please note the side effects listed in

the product insert for the T4 drug you are taking.

>

> Hi, Sam. Don't get your dander up; no one's trying to tell you

what to

> do! Like it would have any effect anyway [ggg]. I'm a little

old for

> you to be spanking [just turned 67] {GGG}. But you're taking a lot

more

> Armour [i think] than the maximum recommended by the manufacturer

[isn't

> that right???] so it's natural for us to be concerned about an over

> dose. It's my understanding that some of the damage [such as to

your

> heart] from taking too much can cause irreversible damage before

you

> have any symptoms.

>

> I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like; no. But I've had

> arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember, and a heart rate of

160

> would be low for some of my episodes. Fortunately my calcium

blocker

> does a good job in controlling it.

>

> I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best for your health;

but

> what you do sometimes is scary.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It's because I get this pretty much all the time from the same sorts

of people, except by those that have been thru the same wringer I've

been thru, and are healthy as I am now by using the same methods.

I started the Thyroidless group for that and other reasons.

I learned so much in my fight to get healthy and even tho most of it

goes against current ideas in medicine, what I've learned used to be

the standard of care back when people were being cured rather than

treated as they are these days.

A few people helped in my education process and because of that I did

not die. So rather than see others spin their wheels in an effort to

return to health, I pass along what I've learned in hopes that it

might help them. And at some point others that I've helped may

likewise help others, and so on. And maybe, just maybe, at some point

in the distant future, modern medicine will get back to actually

helping people get healthy.

Sam

> >

> > Hi, Sam. Don't get your dander up; no one's trying to tell you

> what to

> > do! Like it would have any effect anyway [ggg]. I'm a little

> old for

> > you to be spanking [just turned 67] {GGG}. But you're taking a

lot

> more

> > Armour [i think] than the maximum recommended by the manufacturer

> [isn't

> > that right???] so it's natural for us to be concerned about an

over

> > dose. It's my understanding that some of the damage [such as to

> your

> > heart] from taking too much can cause irreversible damage before

> you

> > have any symptoms.

> >

> > I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like; no. But I've had

> > arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember, and a heart rate

of

> 160

> > would be low for some of my episodes. Fortunately my calcium

> blocker

> > does a good job in controlling it.

> >

> > I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best for your health;

> but

> > what you do sometimes is scary.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sam,

Not only have you been opening my eyes to alternative

ways to deal with and to understand my new diagnosis

of hypothyroidism, but you are helping to reaffirm my

belief in listening to one's body, experimenting with

new ideas, and freeing myself from totalitarian

constructions of reality. So, thank you.

--- Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

> It's because I get this pretty much all the time

> from the same sorts

> of people, except by those that have been thru the

> same wringer I've

> been thru, and are healthy as I am now by using the

> same methods.

> I started the Thyroidless group for that and other

> reasons.

>

> I learned so much in my fight to get healthy and

> even tho most of it

> goes against current ideas in medicine, what I've

> learned used to be

> the standard of care back when people were being

> cured rather than

> treated as they are these days.

>

> A few people helped in my education process and

> because of that I did

> not die. So rather than see others spin their wheels

> in an effort to

> return to health, I pass along what I've learned in

> hopes that it

> might help them. And at some point others that I've

> helped may

> likewise help others, and so on. And maybe, just

> maybe, at some point

> in the distant future, modern medicine will get back

> to actually

> helping people get healthy.

>

> Sam

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi, Sam. Don't get your dander up; no one's

> trying to tell you

> > what to

> > > do! Like it would have any effect anyway [ggg].

> I'm a little

> > old for

> > > you to be spanking [just turned 67] {GGG}. But

> you're taking a

> lot

> > more

> > > Armour [i think] than the maximum recommended by

> the manufacturer

> > [isn't

> > > that right???] so it's natural for us to be

> concerned about an

> over

> > > dose. It's my understanding that some of the

> damage [such as to

> > your

> > > heart] from taking too much can cause

> irreversible damage before

> > you

> > > have any symptoms.

> > >

> > > I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like;

> no. But I've had

> > > arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember,

> and a heart rate

> of

> > 160

> > > would be low for some of my episodes.

> Fortunately my calcium

> > blocker

> > > does a good job in controlling it.

> > >

> > > I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best

> for your health;

> > but

> > > what you do sometimes is scary.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all

> with Mobile.

> Try it now.

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think anyone gets upset when you advocate super high doses of Armour

when

someone is thyroidless like you, but when someone still has their thyroid, it

might

not be appropriate, and I think people have to leave room for differences.

I listen to you and your experiences, and I'm glad that you found what works

for you.

My experiences are a bit different, and I have to find what works for me at

this time.

I take a little from her and a little from there to fit what will work for me.

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

It's because I get this pretty much all the time from the same sorts

of people, except by those that have been thru the same wringer I've

been thru, and are healthy as I am now by using the same methods.

I started the Thyroidless group for that and other reasons.

I learned so much in my fight to get healthy and even tho most of it

goes against current ideas in medicine, what I've learned used to be

the standard of care back when people were being cured rather than

treated as they are these days.

A few people helped in my education process and because of that I did

not die. So rather than see others spin their wheels in an effort to

return to health, I pass along what I've learned in hopes that it

might help them. And at some point others that I've helped may

likewise help others, and so on. And maybe, just maybe, at some point

in the distant future, modern medicine will get back to actually

helping people get healthy.

Sam

> >

> > Hi, Sam. Don't get your dander up; no one's trying to tell you

> what to

> > do! Like it would have any effect anyway [ggg]. I'm a little

> old for

> > you to be spanking [just turned 67] {GGG}. But you're taking a

lot

> more

> > Armour [i think] than the maximum recommended by the manufacturer

> [isn't

> > that right???] so it's natural for us to be concerned about an

over

> > dose. It's my understanding that some of the damage [such as to

> your

> > heart] from taking too much can cause irreversible damage before

> you

> > have any symptoms.

> >

> > I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like; no. But I've had

> > arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember, and a heart rate

of

> 160

> > would be low for some of my episodes. Fortunately my calcium

> blocker

> > does a good job in controlling it.

> >

> > I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best for your health;

> but

> > what you do sometimes is scary.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't advocate taking high doses of Armour, I personally feel, due

to my own and others' experiences, dosing Armour by symptoms (rather

than only by test results) is a far more safer and more effective way

to go about it. And that seems to be the more successful way for

those without or with their thyroid glands.

My full replacement dose of 11+ grains might be toxic for someone

else, and someone else's perfect dose of 3 grains would only be

enough to keep me comatose. Individually speaking, we may all have

the same types of hormones, but our hormonal " needs " are as alike as

any 2 snow flakes are. Basically, our hormonal needs are different

and that is why dosing to one's own symptoms will get that individual

to their own unique requirement. You know what I'm saying? Listen to

your body and it will tell you what it needs...that's what I'm

saying.

Sam

>

> I don't think anyone gets upset when you advocate super high doses

of Armour when

> someone is thyroidless like you, but when someone still has their

thyroid, it might

> not be appropriate, and I think people have to leave room for

differences.

>

> I listen to you and your experiences, and I'm glad that you found

what works for you.

> My experiences are a bit different, and I have to find what works

for me at this time.

> I take a little from her and a little from there to fit what will

work for me.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I completely agree with you.

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

I don't advocate taking high doses of Armour, I personally feel, due

to my own and others' experiences, dosing Armour by symptoms (rather

than only by test results) is a far more safer and more effective way

to go about it. And that seems to be the more successful way for

those without or with their thyroid glands.

My full replacement dose of 11+ grains might be toxic for someone

else, and someone else's perfect dose of 3 grains would only be

enough to keep me comatose. Individually speaking, we may all have

the same types of hormones, but our hormonal " needs " are as alike as

any 2 snow flakes are. Basically, our hormonal needs are different

and that is why dosing to one's own symptoms will get that individual

to their own unique requirement. You know what I'm saying? Listen to

your body and it will tell you what it needs...that's what I'm

saying.

Sam

>

> I don't think anyone gets upset when you advocate super high doses

of Armour when

> someone is thyroidless like you, but when someone still has their

thyroid, it might

> not be appropriate, and I think people have to leave room for

differences.

>

> I listen to you and your experiences, and I'm glad that you found

what works for you.

> My experiences are a bit different, and I have to find what works

for me at this time.

> I take a little from her and a little from there to fit what will

work for me.

>

>

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your ignorance is showing again (

do you really think the only ppl taking 50mg Iodoral are me, Sam, and the

iodine docs?

gracia

Don't you take 7 grains [or is it 11] of Armour? And several times the

recommended daily dosage of iodine? If so, do you think your body's

levels of hormones are the same as levels as those of a person with no

medical problems?

And given that some of us are not convinced [as are you and Gracia] that

what you're doing is safe can't you understand why some of us would be

concerned about your health??? Right or wrong, our concern is genuine.

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yippee skippy

it does take nerve and chutzpuh to tune in, turn on, and drop out of the

current system, but the rewards are worth it.

Gracia

Sam,

Not only have you been opening my eyes to alternative

ways to deal with and to understand my new diagnosis

of hypothyroidism, but you are helping to reaffirm my

belief in listening to one's body, experimenting with

new ideas, and freeing myself from totalitarian

constructions of reality. So, thank you.

--- Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

> It's because I get this pretty much all the time

> from the same sorts

> of people, except by those that have been thru the

> same wringer I've

> been thru, and are healthy as I am now by using the

> same methods.

> I started the Thyroidless group for that and other

> reasons.

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you want to see true medical negligence (besides what happened to me and my

mother?) Come to the group home where I work--it's shameful--drug companies

rule there.

Gracia

Why should I 'not' get my dander up? It's been inferred by some of

y'all that I don't know what I am doing, I am stupidly

damaging/killing myself, and that I'm more or less similar to a drug

addict/dealer/pusher, even tho I am HEALTHY!

Do you have any idea how hard I had to FIGHT to get my health back?

Do you realize I almost died because of the 'care' I was being given

before I got on Armour Thyroid?

At this point in time I am under the care of 2 medical professionals

who prescribe my meds in the exact dosages I am healthy on. Yes,

that's right, I get prescriptions for 11+ grains of Armour and BHRT

and my health coverage pays for it. If what I am taking was making me

UNhealthy, they would not be prescribing it for me.

And no, 67 is not too old to get a spanking.

Sam

ps - consider having you magnesium/potassium/sodium checked, along

with aldosterone/renin, and please note the side effects listed in

the product insert for the T4 drug you are taking.

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If what I am taking was making me

UNhealthy, they would not be prescribing it for me.

Sam,

I am not attacking you or your treatment, I just wanted to say that

when I was very hypo several years ago, I was going to a doctor who,

rather than looking at my thyroid issues, chose to put me on 8 mg of

xanax and a horde of different other drugs, i.e. trazadone, seroquel,

ambein, Cymbalta. I was under another doctor's care for severe lumbar

pain [i have a very bad curvature of the spine], and was on

hydrocodone and fentanol as well. Thanks to an intervening " Higher

Power " , I went to a Pain Management doctor who said I was on too many

meds and sent me to talk to a drug counselor that made me realize the

danger I was putting myself into by allowing these doctors to treat

me. I had to check into a hospital to get myself off of the drugs. In

one week, I had eliminated everything except my thyroid medication,

my blood pressure medicine, and Cymbalta. Looking back, it is a

wonder I am still alive.

My point is, please, please make sure you are not harming youself by

way of your treatment. I thought at the time that I needed all those

drugs to make me okay. But I was very wrong!!!

Blessings,

Nicki

>

> Why should I 'not' get my dander up? It's been inferred by some of

> y'all that I don't know what I am doing, I am stupidly

> damaging/killing myself, and that I'm more or less similar to a

drug

> addict/dealer/pusher, even tho I am HEALTHY!

>

> Do you have any idea how hard I had to FIGHT to get my health back?

> Do you realize I almost died because of the 'care' I was being

given

> before I got on Armour Thyroid?

>

> At this point in time I am under the care of 2 medical

professionals

> who prescribe my meds in the exact dosages I am healthy on. Yes,

> that's right, I get prescriptions for 11+ grains of Armour and BHRT

> and my health coverage pays for it. If what I am taking was making

me

> UNhealthy, they would not be prescribing it for me.

>

> And no, 67 is not too old to get a spanking.

>

> Sam

> ps - consider having you magnesium/potassium/sodium checked, along

> with aldosterone/renin, and please note the side effects listed in

> the product insert for the T4 drug you are taking.

>

[Guest guest]

I think it would be better to give your body what it needs, rather than to

control it. In the long run you will have less health probs

Gracia

I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like; no. But I've had

arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember, and a heart rate of 160

would be low for some of my episodes. Fortunately my calcium blocker

does a good job in controlling it.

I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best for your health; but

what you do sometimes is scary.

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Gracia - you medicate yourself to control your thyroid and your adrenals

with your Armour and Sea Salts and Iodine and who knows what all else.

Without the meds your body won't function 'normally'. What you are doing

is absolutely no different that what or any of the rest of us is

doing.

Dusty

Re: Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight

gain have Liposuction?

I think it would be better to give your body what it needs, rather than to

control it. In the long run you will have less health probs

Gracia

I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like; no. But I've had

arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember, and a heart rate of 160

would be low for some of my episodes. Fortunately my calcium blocker

does a good job in controlling it.

I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best for your health; but

what you do sometimes is scary.

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If I've said anything that seemed so negative to you then I apologize;

as I had no such intent.

As for reading drug interactions, I always do that. It's difficult

sometimes to convince myself to take anything at all, given the

interactions.

BTW, that spanking might be interesting! [ggg]

> Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight gain have

> Liposuction?

>

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>

>

> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

>

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20Anyone%20with%20weight%20gain%20have%20Liposuction%3F>

> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

>

> Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:58 pm (PST)

>

> Why should I 'not' get my dander up? It's been inferred by some of

> y'all that I don't know what I am doing, I am stupidly

> damaging/killing myself, and that I'm more or less similar to a drug

> addict/dealer/

> pusher, even tho I am HEALTHY!

[Guest guest]

It's not just you...

Thank you.

Yes, a spanking 'would' be rather interesting. I just got this great

new lush red nail polish and some other goodies.... <wink>

Sam

>

> If I've said anything that seemed so negative to you then I

apologize;

> as I had no such intent.

>

> As for reading drug interactions, I always do that. It's difficult

> sometimes to convince myself to take anything at all, given the

> interactions.

>

> BTW, that spanking might be interesting! [ggg]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

gracia-

what your body needs is different what other people's bodies need. Not everyone

is going to need the mega doses that you take. I don't understand why you can't

see this. that we are all different and may need to take different dosages.

nancie

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gain have Liposuction?

I think it would be better to give your body what it needs, rather than to

control it. In the long run you will have less health probs

Gracia

I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like; no. But I've had

arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember, and a heart rate of 160

would be low for some of my episodes. Fortunately my calcium blocker

does a good job in controlling it.

I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best for your health; but

what you do sometimes is scary.

>

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Dusty, the people in this group are not mindless sheep, and obviously

can think for themselves. None of us is holding a gun to anyone

else's head and forcing them to do exactly as I or anyone else says.

Do you actually read " HOW " I say things?

And yes, I was literally forced to self treat for a very long time

because it was that or die, and I also partially treated for a

shorter amount of time, and am now (as of a year or so) seeing

medical practitioners - Naturopath (thyroid/adrenal/hormone

expertise) and ARNP. Since I am obviously healthy according to their

standards, and they apparently do not have issues with the meds I

take nor the amounts, they give them to me and my health coverage

pays for it.

> >

> > If I've said anything that seemed so negative to you then I

> apologize;

> > as I had no such intent.

> >

> > As for reading drug interactions, I always do that. It's

difficult

> > sometimes to convince myself to take anything at all, given the

> > interactions.

> >

> > BTW, that spanking might be interesting! [ggg]

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Didn't call them mindless sheep, those are your words. Read my post again,

Sam.

I didn't even specifically refer to this list.

Dusty

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have Liposuction?

Dusty, the people in this group are not mindless sheep, and obviously

can think for themselves. None of us is holding a gun to anyone

else's head and forcing them to do exactly as I or anyone else says.

Do you actually read " HOW " I say things?

And yes, I was literally forced to self treat for a very long time

because it was that or die, and I also partially treated for a

shorter amount of time, and am now (as of a year or so) seeing

medical practitioners - Naturopath (thyroid/adrenal/hormone

expertise) and ARNP. Since I am obviously healthy according to their

standards, and they apparently do not have issues with the meds I

take nor the amounts, they give them to me and my health coverage

pays for it.

> >

> > If I've said anything that seemed so negative to you then I

> apologize;

> > as I had no such intent.

> >

> > As for reading drug interactions, I always do that. It's

difficult

> > sometimes to convince myself to take anything at all, given the

> > interactions.

> >

> > BTW, that spanking might be interesting! [ggg]

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ok, here goes...

Dusty said: " ...my concern if for those on the list

who could be seriously harmed by what helps you.

Whatever is said on lists of these kind can be used

to the detriment of the uninformed or the person who

is easily led. "

Sam said: " ...the people in this group are not mindless

sheep, and obviously can think for themselves. None of

us is holding a gun to anyone else's head and forcing

them to do exactly as I or anyone else says. "

I was under the impression that the point of uninformed people who

seek help from discussion groups, such as this one, was to become

informed. At one time I was among those seeking to become informed...

I learned to listen to my own body (as others should), listen to

symptoms (as others should), and give my body what it needed

according to the symptoms it had. That is advice I learned from

others who have gone before me, and there is absolutely nothing

dangerous about it. People have a habit of listening to all sides and

then taking what they need and going about their own way, and that's

just the way it is.

> >

> > Sam, if its' me, my concern if for those on the list who could be

> seriously

> > harmed by what helps you. Whatever is said on lists of these kind

> can be

> > used to the detriment of the uninformed or the person who is

easily

> led.

> > You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it should be

> tempered with

> > cautions about seeing the right doc for supervision, what works

for

> me may

> > not work for you, yada, yada.

> >

> > You have said in past posts that your dosing and the variation of

> drugs you

> > use for thyroid and adrenals was determined by you - i.e. - you

> took your

> > care out of the hands of docs and began treating yourself. Now

you

> say you

> > have two docs. Those are two vastly different statements.

> >

> > Dusty

[Guest guest]

Yea, I hate pills, too. I wish I could just transplant my missing

parts back in and be done with it, so I could be free. I just wish I

had that option...it sucks being tied to them like I have to be.

....back to that spanking... haha I threatened my mechanic, who's name

is actually " Woody " (I kid you not) that I'd spank him if he didn't

fix my car right. So, he went over to his tool bench and picked up a

sledge hammer and pretended to aim a swing at my car and said " You

promise? " <grinning>

>

> If I've said anything that seemed so negative to you then I

apologize;

> as I had no such intent.

>

> As for reading drug interactions, I always do that. It's difficult

> sometimes to convince myself to take anything at all, given the

> interactions.

>

> BTW, that spanking might be interesting! [ggg]

>

>

>

>