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[Guest guest]

Sam you are a silly, stubborn thing.... but plenty smart. Ur Smart enough

to know that we are each of us different in what our bodies need, and how

they should be treated, and Smart enough to know that you should temper

anything you say to newbies with those caveats.

You deliberately pretend that you miss my point, but I know you don't. The

facts are that what you do - how you dose - and what you dose with, is

dangerous for most people. And that's just the way it is.

Dusty

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have Liposuction?

Ok, here goes...

Dusty said: " ...my concern if for those on the list

who could be seriously harmed by what helps you.

Whatever is said on lists of these kind can be used

to the detriment of the uninformed or the person who

is easily led. "

Sam said: " ...the people in this group are not mindless

sheep, and obviously can think for themselves. None of

us is holding a gun to anyone else's head and forcing

them to do exactly as I or anyone else says. "

I was under the impression that the point of uninformed people who

seek help from discussion groups, such as this one, was to become

informed. At one time I was among those seeking to become informed...

I learned to listen to my own body (as others should), listen to

symptoms (as others should), and give my body what it needed

according to the symptoms it had. That is advice I learned from

others who have gone before me, and there is absolutely nothing

dangerous about it. People have a habit of listening to all sides and

then taking what they need and going about their own way, and that's

just the way it is.

> >

> > Sam, if its' me, my concern if for those on the list who could be

> seriously

> > harmed by what helps you. Whatever is said on lists of these kind

> can be

> > used to the detriment of the uninformed or the person who is

easily

> led.

> > You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it should be

> tempered with

> > cautions about seeing the right doc for supervision, what works

for

> me may

> > not work for you, yada, yada.

> >

> > You have said in past posts that your dosing and the variation of

> drugs you

> > use for thyroid and adrenals was determined by you - i.e. - you

> took your

> > care out of the hands of docs and began treating yourself. Now

you

> say you

> > have two docs. Those are two vastly different statements.

> >

> > Dusty

[Guest guest]

Um, actually, Dusty, dosing desiccated thyroid and bioidentical sex

hormones acccording to symptoms specific to the issues necessitating

the use of each, is the safest way to go. There are also symptoms

specific to being overdosed, and those are the signs we are taking

too much.

Overdosing thyroid meds is quite dramatic and frightening, and there

is no mistaking them. Overdosing sex hormones is a little less

obvious, altho they are unmistakeable symptoms to the

individual...and that is why with them we should always start low and

go slow when we start to take them, if we do in fact need them.

Dosing desiccated thyroid only according to blood/serum lab values

rather than by symptoms can easily leave a patient symptomatic and

unhealthy. How do I know that? Apart from " old " old school

ideas/experience/teachings, from over the last 4 and a half years in

the thyroid groups online listening to hundreds and perhaps thousands

of people repeat the same basic experiences with treating to lab

values as opposed to treating to symptoms and vice versa.

In the end, everybody ends up doing, if they are able, what is best

for themselves.

Personally, I wish my symptoms would have stopped coming back at a

far lower dose of Armour. Way back when I was ordering my own, it

would have been way less expensive. But oh well, my body is happy at

11+ grains, and who am I to argue...

Sam

(thyroidless sinec 1990)

> > >

> > > Sam, if its' me, my concern if for those on the list who could

be

> > seriously

> > > harmed by what helps you. Whatever is said on lists of these

kind

> > can be

> > > used to the detriment of the uninformed or the person who is

> easily

> > led.

> > > You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it should be

> > tempered with

> > > cautions about seeing the right doc for supervision, what works

> for

> > me may

> > > not work for you, yada, yada.

> > >

> > > You have said in past posts that your dosing and the variation

of

> > drugs you

> > > use for thyroid and adrenals was determined by you - i.e. - you

> > took your

> > > care out of the hands of docs and began treating yourself. Now

> you

> > say you

> > > have two docs. Those are two vastly different statements.

> > >

> > > Dusty

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

no it's not at all. it's your belief system based on our medical culture.

Most of us are forced to go outside the system if we want real healthcare, not

disease maintenance.

Gracia

Sam you are a silly, stubborn thing.... but plenty smart. Ur Smart enough

to know that we are each of us different in what our bodies need, and how

they should be treated, and Smart enough to know that you should temper

anything you say to newbies with those caveats.

You deliberately pretend that you miss my point, but I know you don't. The

facts are that what you do - how you dose - and what you dose with, is

dangerous for most people. And that's just the way it is.

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nicki

Sam is not on lots of drugs (neither am I).

we are both on Armour, adrenal meds, sex hormones and Iodoral.

That's what works really.

look at Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD

Gracia

If what I am taking was making me

UNhealthy, they would not be prescribing it for me.

Sam,

I am not attacking you or your treatment, I just wanted to say that

when I was very hypo several years ago, I was going to a doctor who,

rather than looking at my thyroid issues, chose to put me on 8 mg of

xanax and a horde of different other drugs, i.e. trazadone, seroquel,

ambein, Cymbalta. I was under another doctor's care for severe lumbar

pain [i have a very bad curvature of the spine], and was on

hydrocodone and fentanol as well. Thanks to an intervening " Higher

Power " , I went to a Pain Management doctor who said I was on too many

meds and sent me to talk to a drug counselor that made me realize the

danger I was putting myself into by allowing these doctors to treat

me. I had to check into a hospital to get myself off of the drugs. In

one week, I had eliminated everything except my thyroid medication,

my blood pressure medicine, and Cymbalta. Looking back, it is a

wonder I am still alive.

My point is, please, please make sure you are not harming youself by

way of your treatment. I thought at the time that I needed all those

drugs to make me okay. But I was very wrong!!!

Blessings,

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I do not have a thyroid gland. Over a 3 year span of time I slowly

dosed my desiccated thyroid med up 30mg at a time whenever my hypO

symptoms returned. My hypO symptoms stopped returning at 11+ grains

and I have been on that dose for over a year. I have absolutely NO

hypO or hypEr symptoms, and am quite healthy, active, and energetic.

My adrenals were treated after testing. 20mg Cortef (5mg 4 times a

day) but I needed to switch to something more powerful and used

prednisoLone at 7.5mg once a day for approx 2 years with no side

effects.

I have no ovaries or uterus. I slowly dosed up from a very tiny

amount of bioidentical estradiol gel to a maximum of 2.5mg estradiol.

I slowly added bioidentical progesterone cream starting at a very

tiny dose and increasing as I had symptoms. I ended up on 20mg

progesterone and over time lowered it slowly to 40mg and at this

point in time am not taking any. I am also down to .60mg estradiol.

My initial tiny dose of bioidentical testosterone gel was increased

very slowly to what I am taking which is 2mg testosterone, .5mg les

than the maximum female dose.

I have low aldosterone and am taking 1/4 tab of generic florinef

along with lot of water and 1/2 to 1 tsp celtic sea salt twice a day.

I am taking 4 grams of vitamin C, and 25mg Iodoral twice a day.

I take 3-5 epsom salts and hydrogen peroxide added hot baths per week

to replenish my low magnesium.

Before adding all these things to my life, I was taking synthroid, I

was severely hypO, crippled, bald, grossly obese, had massive bone

loss, and lost most of my beautiful teeth. I was very ill, very sick,

had no quality of life, and in order to do anything I needed to be

drugged up with pain meds and caffiene. I needed a cane to walk, I

was a recluse, I looked and felt like total hell. Many of my organs

were starting to fail and I was dying.

WHAT I AM DOING IS WORKING GREAT FOR ME! I AM NOT DYING, I AM NOT

ENDANGERING MY HEALTH, AND I AM IN EXCELLENT HEALTH! I ALMOST DIED

UNDER " TYPICAL " MEDICAL CARE! AND I FLATLY REFUSE TO BE TREATED LIKE

THAT EVER AGAIN!

If any of you want to see a foto of me hypO and unhealthy on syntroid

and healthy and gorgeous on Armour just email me private at:

k9gang at openacces.org

Am I the only person in this group that is symptom free and healthy,

other than Gracia?

> >

> > Why should I 'not' get my dander up? It's been inferred by some

of

> > y'all that I don't know what I am doing, I am stupidly

> > damaging/killing myself, and that I'm more or less similar to a

> drug

> > addict/dealer/pusher, even tho I am HEALTHY!

> >

> > Do you have any idea how hard I had to FIGHT to get my health

back?

> > Do you realize I almost died because of the 'care' I was being

> given

> > before I got on Armour Thyroid?

> >

> > At this point in time I am under the care of 2 medical

> professionals

> > who prescribe my meds in the exact dosages I am healthy on. Yes,

> > that's right, I get prescriptions for 11+ grains of Armour and

BHRT

> > and my health coverage pays for it. If what I am taking was

making

> me

> > UNhealthy, they would not be prescribing it for me.

> >

> > And no, 67 is not too old to get a spanking.

> >

> > Sam

> > ps - consider having you magnesium/potassium/sodium checked,

along

> > with aldosterone/renin, and please note the side effects listed

in

> > the product insert for the T4 drug you are taking.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Correction, I ended up on 200mg progesterone, not 20, and then

lowered it slowly to 40mg and now on none, for the time being.

Correction, my email addy is k9gang at openaccess.org

not openacces.org

[Guest guest]

Ummm see Sam, stubborn - just like I said.

Just as you assume that everyone would do well on your protocl, you

are also assuming that everyone would react to an overdose of thyroid

hormones in a " dramatic and frightening " way. As mentioned a ghazillion

times on this list, that just isn't so because we are all different and

therefore react (or don't react) differently. An excellent case in point

is the cardiac problems incurred by folks whose OD is just enough to cause

this as

a slow, insidious process and not an overt dramatic " attack " of some heart

problem.

As to your conviction that your listening to hundreds/thousands of people

who share your

experience - the numbers and studies supporting other than what you say far

outweigh this.

So, what else can I say?

BTW you didn't comment on my neighbors who used bioidenticals for menopause

and both got breast cancer. In addition to them, I can't tell you how many

women of my group (I'm a 59 year old baby boomer who has lots of peers in

the menopause range) had terrible effects from bio's and chose to stop

altogether rather than go through the side effects they were experiencing.

So, we really are all different, you see?

I'm happy you feel well now. I hope you continue to do so.

Dusty

P>S> I hope you sued the pants off the docs who performed the hysterctomy.

Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight gain

have Liposuction?

Um, actually, Dusty, dosing desiccated thyroid and bioidentical sex

hormones acccording to symptoms specific to the issues necessitating

the use of each, is the safest way to go. There are also symptoms

specific to being overdosed, and those are the signs we are taking

too much.

Overdosing thyroid meds is quite dramatic and frightening, and there

is no mistaking them. Overdosing sex hormones is a little less

obvious, altho they are unmistakeable symptoms to the

individual...and that is why with them we should always start low and

go slow when we start to take them, if we do in fact need them.

Dosing desiccated thyroid only according to blood/serum lab values

rather than by symptoms can easily leave a patient symptomatic and

unhealthy. How do I know that? Apart from " old " old school

ideas/experience/teachings, from over the last 4 and a half years in

the thyroid groups online listening to hundreds and perhaps thousands

of people repeat the same basic experiences with treating to lab

values as opposed to treating to symptoms and vice versa.

In the end, everybody ends up doing, if they are able, what is best

for themselves.

Personally, I wish my symptoms would have stopped coming back at a

far lower dose of Armour. Way back when I was ordering my own, it

would have been way less expensive. But oh well, my body is happy at

11+ grains, and who am I to argue...

Sam

(thyroidless sinec 1990)

> > >

> > > Sam, if its' me, my concern if for those on the list who could

be

> > seriously

> > > harmed by what helps you. Whatever is said on lists of these

kind

> > can be

> > > used to the detriment of the uninformed or the person who is

> easily

> > led.

> > > You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it should be

> > tempered with

> > > cautions about seeing the right doc for supervision, what works

> for

> > me may

> > > not work for you, yada, yada.

> > >

> > > You have said in past posts that your dosing and the variation

of

> > drugs you

> > > use for thyroid and adrenals was determined by you - i.e. - you

> > took your

> > > care out of the hands of docs and began treating yourself. Now

> you

> > say you

> > > have two docs. Those are two vastly different statements.

> > >

> > > Dusty

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The problem is people, such as yourself, who seem to be fixated on

studies done with synthetic thyroid drugs and synthetic sex hormones

which in no way apply to the use of desiccated thyroid or

bio-identical sex hormones. It's like comparing a plastic dress-up

doll with a real live human female and arguing that the human female

is all wrong because she doesn't fit in the plastic mold.

And again, breast cancer = iodine deficiency.

> > > >

> > > > Sam, if its' me, my concern if for those on the list who

could

> be

> > > seriously

> > > > harmed by what helps you. Whatever is said on lists of these

> kind

> > > can be

> > > > used to the detriment of the uninformed or the person who is

> > easily

> > > led.

> > > > You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it should be

> > > tempered with

> > > > cautions about seeing the right doc for supervision, what

works

> > for

> > > me may

> > > > not work for you, yada, yada.

> > > >

> > > > You have said in past posts that your dosing and the

variation

> of

> > > drugs you

> > > > use for thyroid and adrenals was determined by you - i.e. -

you

> > > took your

> > > > care out of the hands of docs and began treating yourself.

Now

> > you

> > > say you

> > > > have two docs. Those are two vastly different statements.

> > > >

> > > > Dusty

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you, , for directing me to " The Hormone Solution " . My

search for feeling better is still on going.

I can certainly identify with how you felt, Sam, before taking things

into your own hands, because, I, too, feel like I am dying. And I am

glad for you that you had the strength and the intelligence to find a

better way. I, in my post, was relating what, thus far, doctors have

done for [to] me. And, in it, expressing concern for your well being.

That was all. As for me, I am still seeking.

Blessings,

Nicki

>

>

> nicki

> Sam is not on lots of drugs (neither am I).

> we are both on Armour, adrenal meds, sex hormones and Iodoral.

> That's what works really.

> look at Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD

> Gracia

>

> If what I am taking was making me

> UNhealthy, they would not be prescribing it for me.

>

> Sam,

> I am not attacking you or your treatment, I just wanted to say

that

> when I was very hypo several years ago, I was going to a doctor

who,

> rather than looking at my thyroid issues, chose to put me on 8 mg

of

> xanax and a horde of different other drugs, i.e. trazadone,

seroquel,

> ambein, Cymbalta. I was under another doctor's care for severe

lumbar

> pain [i have a very bad curvature of the spine], and was on

> hydrocodone and fentanol as well. Thanks to an

intervening " Higher

> Power " , I went to a Pain Management doctor who said I was on too

many

> meds and sent me to talk to a drug counselor that made me realize

the

> danger I was putting myself into by allowing these doctors to

treat

> me. I had to check into a hospital to get myself off of the

drugs. In

> one week, I had eliminated everything except my thyroid

medication,

> my blood pressure medicine, and Cymbalta. Looking back, it is a

> wonder I am still alive.

> My point is, please, please make sure you are not harming youself

by

> way of your treatment. I thought at the time that I needed all

those

> drugs to make me okay. But I was very wrong!!!

>

> Blessings,

> Nicki

[Guest guest]

Sam,

You wrote:

>

> ..., he went over to his tool bench and picked up a

> sledge hammer and pretended to aim a swing at my car and said " You

> promise? " <grinning>

That was AFTER all the Armour and iodine, right?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

As you know, I had no hypo symptoms before starting Synthroid; I still

don't.

> Am I the only person in this group that is symptom free and healthy,

> other than Gracia?

[Guest guest]

Sam-

the problem with that argument is that there has been NO studies done with

bio-identical hormones and synthetic hormones in the same study. if we had a

study designed to look at them both with the exact same parameters for each then

we could know the pros and cons for both bio-identicals and synthetics. untill

then it is just a guess that bio-identicals are benign.

for example, lupus/sle patients usually [ 95%] do not do well on any hormone

replacement therapy either bio-identical or synthetic.

Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight gain

have Liposuction?

The problem is people, such as yourself, who seem to be fixated on

studies done with synthetic thyroid drugs and synthetic sex hormones

which in no way apply to the use of desiccated thyroid or

bio-identical sex hormones. It's like comparing a plastic dress-up

doll with a real live human female and arguing that the human female

is all wrong because she doesn't fit in the plastic mold.

.

[Guest guest]

I don't believe this and would never ever say it.

see the right doc for supervision??????

ACCCCCHHHHHHH

gracia

Sam, if its' me, my concern if for those on the list who could be seriously

harmed by what helps you. Whatever is said on lists of these kind can be

used to the detriment of the uninformed or the person who is easily led.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it should be tempered with

cautions about seeing the right doc for supervision, what works for me may

not work for you, yada, yada.

You have said in past posts that your dosing and the variation of drugs you

use for thyroid and adrenals was determined by you - i.e. - you took your

care out of the hands of docs and began treating yourself. Now you say you

have two docs. Those are two vastly different statements.

Dusty

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I just don't believe it, that's all. I know how to use certain things

effectively. you are operating from a different medical model than I am.

Gracia

gracia-

what your body needs is different what other people's bodies need. Not

everyone is going to need the mega doses that you take. I don't understand why

you can't see this. that we are all different and may need to take different

dosages.

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even in natural medicine, you are going to find varying dosages.

so what you are saying is that even in natural medicine everyone has to be

treated with the same doses as everyone else?

then we should alert the herbal manufactures to make only one dose for their

herbs and supplements.

do you know how crazy that sounds?

what works for you is great gracia but it is Insane to say that everyone has to

take the same dose or they are not going to get better. with that logic we

should all be taking the same dose of armour regardless of how we feel on it.

nancie

nancie

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gain have Liposuction?

I just don't believe it, that's all. I know how to use certain things

effectively. you are operating from a different medical model than I am.

Gracia

gracia-

what your body needs is different what other people's bodies need. Not

everyone is going to need the mega doses that you take. I don't understand why

you can't see this. that we are all different and may need to take different

dosages.

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you are not understanding me. i don't think you understand how iodine works.

who cares if you have to take a certain dose to move toxins out of tissues?

I am sure you would agree that it is best to use a healing modality at the

right dose--it will be ineffective at the wrong one.

I don't believe that we are all different and need genetic testing and who

knows what else to use natural medicine.

Gracia

even in natural medicine, you are going to find varying dosages.

so what you are saying is that even in natural medicine everyone has to be

treated with the same doses as everyone else?

then we should alert the herbal manufactures to make only one dose for their

herbs and supplements.

do you know how crazy that sounds?

what works for you is great gracia but it is Insane to say that everyone has

to take the same dose or they are not going to get better. with that logic we

should all be taking the same dose of armour regardless of how we feel on it.

nancie

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Nancie,

I don't thing you are going to convince Gracia and I don't think Gracia is

going to convince

you. Maybe it would be a good thing to move on to another discussion and let

this one

rest.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

even in natural medicine, you are going to find varying dosages.

so what you are saying is that even in natural medicine everyone has to be

treated with the same doses as everyone else?

then we should alert the herbal manufactures to make only one dose for their

herbs and supplements.

do you know how crazy that sounds?

what works for you is great gracia but it is Insane to say that everyone has to

take the same dose or they are not going to get better. with that logic we

should all be taking the same dose of armour regardless of how we feel on it.

nancie

nancie

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have Liposuction?

I just don't believe it, that's all. I know how to use certain things

effectively. you are operating from a different medical model than I am.

Gracia

gracia-

what your body needs is different what other people's bodies need. Not everyone

is going to need the mega doses that you take. I don't understand why you can't

see this. that we are all different and may need to take different dosages.

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I agree.

let's move on

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gain have Liposuction?

I just don't believe it, that's all. I know how to use certain things

effectively. you are operating from a different medical model than I am.

Gracia

gracia-

what your body needs is different what other people's bodies need. Not

everyone is going to need the mega doses that you take. I don't understand why

you can't see this. that we are all different and may need to take different

dosages.

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and you are not understanding me... so let's agree to disagree.

peace,

nancie

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gain have Liposuction?

you are not understanding me. i don't think you understand how iodine works.

who cares if you have to take a certain dose to move toxins out of tissues?

I am sure you would agree that it is best to use a healing modality at the

right dose--it will be ineffective at the wrong one.

I don't believe that we are all different and need genetic testing and who

knows what else to use natural medicine.

Gracia

even in natural medicine, you are going to find varying dosages.

so what you are saying is that even in natural medicine everyone has to be

treated with the same doses as everyone else?

then we should alert the herbal manufactures to make only one dose for their

herbs and supplements.

do you know how crazy that sounds?

what works for you is great gracia but it is Insane to say that everyone has

to take the same dose or they are not going to get better. with that logic we

should all be taking the same dose of armour regardless of how we feel on it.

nancie

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Alas, it is extremely unlikely that study will every be done. Since bio

identical hormones are not patentable no " deep pockets " would step forward

to pay for such a study.

My wife does use, under a anti aging doctors supervision, proper amounts of

bio identical estrogen gel and progesterone caplets (her testosterone is

fine). It has freed her from the painful symptoms of osteoarthritis in her

hip (she had bought a cane), sleep pattern disorder, mood problems, libido

issues, etc. She has the energy of someone much younger. She would never

dream of taking horse urine synthetics.

Neil

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From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Nancie Barnett

Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:47 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight

gain have Liposuction?

Sam-

the problem with that argument is that there has been NO studies done with

bio-identical hormones and synthetic hormones in the same study. if we had a

study designed to look at them both with the exact same parameters for each

then we could know the pros and cons for both bio-identicals and synthetics.

untill then it is just a guess that bio-identicals are benign.

for example, lupus/sle patients usually [ 95%] do not do well on any hormone

replacement therapy either bio-identical or synthetic.

Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight gain

have Liposuction?

The problem is people, such as yourself, who seem to be fixated on

studies done with synthetic thyroid drugs and synthetic sex hormones

which in no way apply to the use of desiccated thyroid or

bio-identical sex hormones. It's like comparing a plastic dress-up

doll with a real live human female and arguing that the human female

is all wrong because she doesn't fit in the plastic mold.

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[Guest guest]

in Europe- it could be done and it may have been done already- I just haven't

found a study YET- but I an still looking online. they are so much ahead of the

US as far as natural medicine goes. I have family abroad and they all use more

natural medicine than I do. it just so easy to get and use. it is also lot less

expensive than here. in fact alternative medicine is also very easy to have

access to; acupuncture, acupressure, Chinese herbs, etc is all paid for by their

national health plans.

nancie

Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight gain

have Liposuction?

The problem is people, such as yourself, who seem to be fixated on

studies done with synthetic thyroid drugs and synthetic sex hormones

which in no way apply to the use of desiccated thyroid or

bio-identical sex hormones. It's like comparing a plastic dress-up

doll with a real live human female and arguing that the human female

is all wrong because she doesn't fit in the plastic mold.

.

[Guest guest]

Gracia, you are not operating from a medical model. YOu are operating

frome the World according to Gracia. Not a very solid background for safe,

healthy medical treatments.

Dusty

Re: Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight

gain have Liposuction?

I just don't believe it, that's all. I know how to use certain things

effectively. you are operating from a different medical model than I am.

Gracia

gracia-

what your body needs is different what other people's bodies need. Not

everyone is going to need the mega doses that you take. I don't understand

why you can't see this. that we are all different and may need to take

different dosages.

nancie

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Hmmm, you don't even see a holistic doc? Thought you said you did?

YOu don't need to believe this. We know you travel to the beat of a

different drum and choose to take a MEDICINE (like the rest of us) at a dose

that keeps you revved up into overdrive. That's your choice. But like I

said to Sam, you guys talk out of both sides of your mouth, medicine good

(when its YOUR brand medicine), docs good (when its YOUR DOC) -- well we

all get the picture.

Dusty

Re: Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight

gain have Liposuction?

I don't believe this and would never ever say it.

see the right doc for supervision??????

ACCCCCHHHHHHH

gracia

Sam, if its' me, my concern if for those on the list who could be seriously

harmed by what helps you. Whatever is said on lists of these kind can be

used to the detriment of the uninformed or the person who is easily led.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it should be tempered with

cautions about seeing the right doc for supervision, what works for me may

not work for you, yada, yada.

You have said in past posts that your dosing and the variation of drugs you

use for thyroid and adrenals was determined by you - i.e. - you took your

care out of the hands of docs and began treating yourself. Now you say you

have two docs. Those are two vastly different statements.

Dusty

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[Guest guest]

Sam, I haven't taken progesterone for a week! it's bizarre. now taking

estradiol 1mg 2X a day. the iodine really improves my hormone status.

Gracia

Correction, I ended up on 200mg progesterone, not 20, and then

lowered it slowly to 40mg and now on none, for the time being.

Correction, my email addy is k9gang at openaccess.org

not openacces.org