Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Hi Bonnie, Have you been monitoring your blood pressure and temp? I've been taking Armour sublingually for several weeks. It seems to be a more consistent method of delivery as it doesn't depend on have a stomach that has been empty for at least 2 hours and will stay so for at least another half. Blah blah blah... Any way, if you have just been swallowing them, you might be receiving a larger dose by taking it sublingually. If you are having heart palpitations, a higher than normal body temp or high blood pressure, it probably means that you aren't used to the new dose you are getting by taking it sublingually. Have you already had an increase? If so, it might make sense to go back to the previous dose, but take it sublingually. I actually had to cut back due to low blood pressure. How did that happen? The only thing I can think of is that the Armour is reacting with my blood pressure medicine. Of course, this is not medical advice. If you are having palpitations or high blood pressure, you should consult a physician because you are in danger of having a stroke or heart attack. Hope you feel better soon. -Mike aka Papa Bear bonnie_calgaro wrote: > I am usually a cheerful person; however, lately I have turned into > a " Grinch " . Granted there have been issues with my kids but that is > life. > > My question: > > Can Armour-Thyroid make you miserably out of sorts. I pray no because I > love the energy I have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Somebody just brought it to my attention that my wife's pet name for me, " Papa Bear " , has sexual connotations in certain circles. I hereby retract the Papa Bear alias. I can go by either " Database Dude " or " Big Foot " as they are fairly accurate descriptions. How embarrassing. Good thing I've got a sense of humor again. Thank you Armour. Have a laugh on me! - Mike aka Big Foot Mike Lawson wrote: > Hope you feel better soon. -Mike aka Papa Bear > > bonnie_calgaro wrote: > > > I am usually a cheerful person; however, lately I have turned into > > a " Grinch " . Granted there have been issues with my kids but that is > > life. > > > > My question: > > > > Can Armour-Thyroid make you miserably out of sorts. I pray no because I > > love the energy I have now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Mike, Normal high blood pressure, no palpitations and have been taking it sublingually. I will see what happens when I add 15mg Armour and do away with the 25mcg Synthroid. I have not checked my temps to date. Thanks for your intelligence. Bonnie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Bonnie, I actually started off with 15 mg Armour and 25 mcg Levo. On the first day, my temp shot up from 88.7 (was chronically ..5 -1 degree low) to 99.1 and BP was 150/85. I gave blood that day which brought it down. On the third day, I woke up wired and sweating, with a racing heart, experiencing mild hallucinations and getting simple facts and figures all mixed up. I dropped the Levo and never looked back. Things have been great until yesterday and today. Yesterday, in the afternoon I became aware of an irregular and slow heart beat. Checked the BP and fond 105/56. Thought Hooray! I can get off of some of this damnable blood pressure medication. This morning I woke up with a racing heart and absolutely brutal head ache. No sweat this time though. The BP was 159/87. I went to the doc to change my medication. She commented on the sunglasses indoors. I told her that light made my head hurt worse, and that if she shined that light in my eyes again I was going to puke on her shoes. Well, the diagnosis was that the BP spike was caused by the migraine headache, not the other way around. She sent me home with vicodin and some other pain med stuff. I feel funny now, but the headache is a little better, and the BP is holding at 120/67. Maybe she got it right. I never would have thought that the headache caused the BP problem, I was sure that it was the other way around. Anyway, sorry if I rambled too much. Happy happy pain pills... Wish they would have addressed the root problem though. Hope you fell better soon. Best -Mike (Big Foot) Bonnie wrote: > Normal high blood pressure, no palpitations and have been taking it sublingually. I will see what happens when I add 15mg Armour and do away with the 25mcg Synthroid. I have not checked my temps to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 you are not getting proper thyroid treatment. until your body gets enough Armour you will have lots of probs. sounds like doc will respond with losts of drugs. too bad. it becomes a real struggle. Gracia Bonnie, I actually started off with 15 mg Armour and 25 mcg Levo. On the first day, my temp shot up from 88.7 (was chronically .5 -1 degree low) to 99.1 and BP was 150/85. I gave blood that day which brought it down. On the third day, I woke up wired and sweating, with a racing heart, experiencing mild hallucinations and getting simple facts and figures all mixed up. I dropped the Levo and never looked back. Things have been great until yesterday and today. Yesterday, in the afternoon I became aware of an irregular and slow heart beat. Checked the BP and fond 105/56. Thought Hooray! I can get off of some of this damnable blood pressure medication. This morning I woke up with a racing heart and absolutely brutal head ache. No sweat this time though. The BP was 159/87. I went to the doc to change my medication. She commented on the sunglasses indoors. I told her that light made my head hurt worse, and that if she shined that light in my eyes again I was going to puke on her shoes. Well, the diagnosis was that the BP spike was caused by the migraine headache, not the other way around. She sent me home with vicodin and some other pain med stuff. I feel funny now, but the headache is a little better, and the BP is holding at 120/67. Maybe she got it right. I never would have thought that the headache caused the BP problem, I was sure that it was the other way around. Anyway, sorry if I rambled too much. Happy happy pain pills... Wish they would have addressed the root problem though. Hope you fell better soon. Best -Mike (Big Foot) Bonnie wrote: > Normal high blood pressure, no palpitations and have been taking it sublingually. I will see what happens when I add 15mg Armour and do away with the 25mcg Synthroid. I have not checked my temps to date. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1505 - Release Date: 6/16/2008 7:20 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Not quite, Mike. The terms " bear " and " daddy " may be misinterpreted by some (very few, I would imagine), but I would say that Papa Bear doesn't quite fit in with those connotations. Keep your nickname. Just my 2 cents. Doreen > > > Hope you feel better soon. -Mike aka Papa Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Gracia, when you personally recommend a dose much higher than the manufacturer don't you think you should make it clear that it is YOUR recommendation and that it is higher than the manufacturer's recommendation? Granted the regulars here know your bias and will not be confused; but what about a newcomer who drops in??? OTHO, if 300 mg is recommended by a credible source please provide the reference. > > Re: Armour-Thyroid > <hypothyroidism/message/39354;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYmdrZjZ\ 1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzkzNTQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIxMzg3NDAxNg--> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour-Thyroid> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:38 pm (PDT) > > > > >NO ARMOUR THYROID WILL NOT MAKE YOU GRUMPY in fact it will make you > feel serene and cheerful. however the wrong dose can make you grumpy > and it woudl be a symptoms that you must get more Armour thyroid > > 180--300mg recommended dose. > > gracia > > > > > Hi, > > > > I am usually a cheerful person; however, lately I have turned into > > a " Grinch " . Granted there have been issues with my kids but that is > > life. > > > > My question: > > > > Can Armour-Thyroid make you miserably out of sorts. I pray no because I > > love the energy I have now. > > > > Please reply. > > > > God Bless - Bonnie aka Grinch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 I finally found a doctor to prescribe me armour thyroid. He started me on 15mg armour along with 75mcg synthroid. I have been taking synthroid for 9 years ,varied dosages, and I have been suffering with thyroid madness for nine years. Now the symtoms have improved but edema of my ankles is my major symptom. I'm to return to the doctor with lab work in six weeks. What do you think? From: <res075oh@...> Subject: Re: Armour-Thyroid hypothyroidism Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 4:31 PM Gracia, when you personally recommend a dose much higher than the manufacturer don't you think you should make it clear that it is YOUR recommendation and that it is higher than the manufacturer' s recommendation? Granted the regulars here know your bias and will not be confused; but what about a newcomer who drops in??? OTHO, if 300 mg is recommended by a credible source please provide the reference. > > Re: Armour-Thyroid > <http://groups. / group/hypothyroi dism/message/ 39354;_ylc= X3oDMTJxYmdrZjZ1 BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1 BGdycElkAzE0NTY2 NARncnBzcElkAzE3 MDkyNTEwODIEbXNn SWQDMzkzNTQEc2Vj A2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Zt c2cEc3RpbWUDMTIx Mzg3NDAxNg- -> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re% 3A%20Armour- Thyroid> > graciabee <http://profiles. / graciabee> > > > Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:38 pm (PDT) > > > > >NO ARMOUR THYROID WILL NOT MAKE YOU GRUMPY in fact it will make you > feel serene and cheerful. however the wrong dose can make you grumpy > and it woudl be a symptoms that you must get more Armour thyroid > > 180--300mg recommended dose. > > gracia > > > > > Hi, > > > > I am usually a cheerful person; however, lately I have turned into > > a " Grinch " . Granted there have been issues with my kids but that is > > life. > > > > My question: > > > > Can Armour-Thyroid make you miserably out of sorts. I pray no because I > > love the energy I have now. > > > > Please reply. > > > > God Bless - Bonnie aka Grinch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 JAMES, You wrote: > He started me on 15mg armour along with 75mcg synthroid. >...I'm to return to the doctor with lab work in > six weeks. What do you think? You did not specify the " various " doses, but you seem to be consistently under medicated. Please share the lab results on which your prescription was based. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 I recommend that peeps who are using dessicated thyroid meds like Armour, naturethroid etc. join other groups that know how to use it. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com Sam's group thyroidless I think. I am the lone voice here. Gracia Gracia, when you personally recommend a dose much higher than the manufacturer don't you think you should make it clear that it is YOUR recommendation and that it is higher than the manufacturer's recommendation? Granted the regulars here know your bias and will not be confused; but what about a newcomer who drops in??? OTHO, if 300 mg is recommended by a credible source please provide the reference. > Recent Activity a.. 5New Members Visit Your Group Health Asthma Triggers How you can identify them. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Real Food Group Share recipes and favorite meals w/ Real Food lovers. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Well Chuck, at least you are being a little kinder in your responses!!!! Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: JAMES, You wrote: > He started me on 15mg armour along with 75mcg synthroid. >...I'm to return to the doctor with lab work in > six weeks. What do you think? You did not specify the " various " doses, but you seem to be consistently under medicated. Please share the lab results on which your prescription was based. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 I am not sure we can mandate kindness on the internet. If you notice, I consistently get very nasty responses here! I have to say Chuck is one of the least nasty ones. I actually do save some of the more ridiculous responses to me in a special folder. that's my revenge LOL. Gracia Well Chuck, at least you are being a little kinder in your responses!!!! Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: JAMES, You wrote: > He started me on 15mg armour along with 75mcg synthroid. >...I'm to return to the doctor with lab work in > six weeks. What do you think? You did not specify the " various " doses, but you seem to be consistently under medicated. Please share the lab results on which your prescription was based. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 You can google edema and find out more than I know about it. Basically I think it's water retention. Here are some listed possible causes: " ...a possible hormone problem, a blood pressure problem, heart problem, or a nutritional problem. " Hypothyroidism is, of course, a hormone problem; but I would guess the others need to be ruled out. Based on your prescriptions I would hazard a guess that you're seeing a conventional doctor who tends to treat by the numbers, and that your TSH is at the mid to low point of whatever range the lab [or doctor] uses. That would explain why your medication is at moderately low levels; especially the Armour. But we would need to see your test results [together with the ranges] to make a better guess. The use of both Armour and Synthroid I would suspect is fairly rare. Synthroid alone probably works great for 90% to 99% of people; but for some it's a real problem. Many conventional doctors don't normally treat with Armour; but will if you push enough. According to those on this list who swear by Armour you would probably need several times the Armour you're taking and no Synthroid. But that is certainly not a representative sample of hypothyroidism patients. I take only Synthroid and AFAIK have no problems with it. Luck, .. .. > Re: Armour-Thyroid > <hypothyroidism/message/39366;_ylc=X3oDMTJxODJodTU\ 3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzkzNjYEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIxMzk1OTQxOA--> > > > > Posted by: " JAMES ATKINS " ja2317@... > <mailto:ja2317@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour-Thyroid> > ja2317 <ja2317> > > > Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:45 pm (PDT) > > I finally found a doctor to prescribe me armour thyroid. He started me > on 15mg armour along with 75mcg synthroid. I have been taking > synthroid for 9 years ,varied dosages, and I have been suffering with > thyroid madness for nine years. Now the symtoms have improved but > edema of my ankles is my major symptom. I'm to return to the doctor > with lab work in six weeks. What do you think? > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Armour-Thyroid > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 4:31 PM > > Gracia, when you personally recommend a dose much higher than the > manufacturer don't you think you should make it clear that it is YOUR > recommendation and that it is higher than the manufacturer' s > recommendation? Granted the regulars here know your bias and will not > be confused; but what about a newcomer who drops in??? > > OTHO, if 300 mg is recommended by a credible source please provide the > reference. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 This will introduce me. I've been lurking for several years. Before that, for 7 years I was hyper-thyroid, trying all kinds of natural cures. It finally got so bad that I couldn't sleep and had palpitations and was full of energy, could eat as much as I wanted. An endocrinologist had me drink radioactive iodine to " shrink my oversized thyroid " that had fingers that went about 6 inches down from my throat. He said that this treatment should shrink it to a more normal size so that it would function properly. Well, a subsequent blood test, he put me on synthroid saying that I would have to take it the rest of my life. That did it - I left him and went to a naturopath. He said to take Armour 60 mg and Thyroplex by Kordial. Then I moved and had to find another doctor. His blood tests showed that I needed more T4, so he added Levothyroxine .075 mg per day. Recently, after a very prolonged and stressful situation, I entertained a double ear infection, and upon recovery, went through a cleanse. In the midst of that, I again experienced palpitations and sleeplessness. The dr said to cut the armour dose in half, which calmed me. We have been talking about my getting off of thyroid prescriptions, and he sent me to a compounding pharmacist, who has had success in that vein. He said to begin to add per day, 2 Iodoral (by Optimox Corp, Torrance, CA) and get a full spectrum thyroid blood test in 30 days. That's where I am to date. I have high hopes. This is for your information. Roxana Muise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Thanks Doreen, I probably shouldn't have made my wife's pet name for me public anyway... She will probably be joining these groups soon as she just went to see my endo/anti-aging doc. > > > > > Hope you feel better soon. -Mike aka Papa Bear > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 hi Roxana you will need to get thyroid meds---ENOUGH ARMOUR (180--300mg), probly adrenal support, and ENOUGH Iodoral (50--100mg). you are taking too little right now. Enough of the right meds makes us feel well. Join the iodine group on . Gracia This will introduce me. I've been lurking for several years. Before that, for 7 years I was hyper-thyroid, trying all kinds of natural cures. It finally got so bad that I couldn't sleep and had palpitations and was full of energy, could eat as much as I wanted. An endocrinologist had me drink radioactive iodine to " shrink my oversized thyroid " that had fingers that went about 6 inches down from my throat. He said that this treatment should shrink it to a more normal size so that it would function properly. Well, a subsequent blood test, he put me on synthroid saying that I would have to take it the rest of my life. That did it - I left him and went to a naturopath. He said to take Armour 60 mg and Thyroplex by Kordial. Then I moved and had to find another doctor. His blood tests showed that I needed more T4, so he added Levothyroxine .075 mg per day. Recently, after a very prolonged and stressful situation, I entertained a double ear infection, and upon recovery, went through a cleanse. In the midst of that, I again experienced palpitations and sleeplessness. The dr said to cut the armour dose in half, which calmed me. We have been talking about my getting off of thyroid prescriptions, and he sent me to a compounding pharmacist, who has had success in that vein. He said to begin to add per day, 2 Iodoral (by Optimox Corp, Torrance, CA) and get a full spectrum thyroid blood test in 30 days. That's where I am to date. I have high hopes. This is for your information. Roxana Muise ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1505 - Release Date: 6/16/2008 7:20 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 You specifically recommended Armour in a dose of 180 to 300 mg; if I'm in error please correct me. And you are free to recommend whatever dose you care to; but when the manufacturer recommends a maximum dose of 180 mg and you recommend a dose that is 66.66% higher than the manufacturer I suggest you should make it clear that you are suggesting something that the manufacturer DOES NOT recommend; and for which there is no credible support. That would be to protect the newcomer, who might not be aware of your bias. IMHO any person who makes such a recommendation on _any_ list should point out that the manufacturer [who, after all benefits from greater sales if people take higher doses] does not recommend such a high dose. There just might be a good reason for the manufacturer to not recommend the dosage you do; for example some small percentage of people might have been found to have very negative results with higher doses. Unless you know that is not the case then you are willing to gamble with other people's lives. Re: Armour-Thyroid <hypothyroidism/message/39371;_ylc=X3oDMTJxOWVyYjg\ 4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzkzNzEEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIxNDA0NDg3NQ--> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour-Thyroid> graciabee <graciabee> Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:13 am (PDT) I recommend that peeps who are using dessicated thyroid meds like Armour, naturethroid etc. join other groups that know how to use it. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com <http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com> Sam's group thyroidless I think. I am the lone voice here. Gracia Gracia, when you personally recommend a dose much higher than the manufacturer don't you think you should make it clear that it is YOUR recommendation and that it is higher than the manufacturer' s recommendation? Granted the regulars here know your bias and will not be confused; but what about a newcomer who drops in??? OTOH, if 300 mg is recommended by a credible source please provide the reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Gracia, I disagree with you very often but if I've ever written anything to you that you consider " nasty " then please point it out. That has not been my intent. I do strongly disagree with your personal " prescriptions " to so many people, because I'm afraid they may be harmed. PS: As for Chuck I've never seen him post anything unkind; although perhaps misunderstood. > > Re: Armour-Thyroid > <hypothyroidism/message/39374;_ylc=X3oDMTJxOGM4Z3Y\ zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzkzNzQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIxNDA0NDg3NQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour-Thyroid> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:59 am (PDT) > > > I am not sure we can mandate kindness on the internet. If you notice, > I consistently get very nasty responses here! I have to say Chuck is > one of the least nasty ones. I actually do save some of the more > ridiculous responses to me in a special folder. that's my revenge LOL. > Gracia > > Well Chuck, at least you are being a little kinder in your responses!!! > ! > > Chuck B <gumboyaya@... <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net>> wrote: JAMES, > > You wrote: > > He started me on 15mg armour along with 75mcg synthroid. > >...I'm to return to the doctor with lab work in > > six weeks. What do you think? > > You did not specify the " various " doses, but you seem to be consistently > under medicated. Please share the lab results on which your prescription > was based. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 I've lead a sheltered life I guess. And maybe Google has too; you don't get a sexual connotation from " papa bear " unless you add the word " gay " [unless it's way down the list somewhere]. Personally I wouldn't worry about it; I'm sure Mike's wife intended it as a complement and as totally heterosexual. > > Re: Armour-Thyroid > <hypothyroidism/message/39381;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcjFwcjE\ 5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzkzODEEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIxNDA0NDg3NQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Doreen " islandliphe4me@... > <mailto:islandliphe4me@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour-Thyroid> > islandliphe4me <islandliphe4me> > > > Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:10 pm (PDT) > > Not quite, Mike. The terms " bear " and " daddy " may be misinterpreted > by some (very few, I would imagine), but I would say that Papa Bear > doesn't quite fit in with those connotations. > > Keep your nickname. > > Just my 2 cents. > > Doreen > > > > > > > Hope you feel better soon. -Mike aka Papa Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Do you have Hashimoto's? Perhaps we'll be better able to respond when you post your test results [along with ranges]. Do you have some already you could post? As for getting off thyroid medicine, it your thyroid does not produce enough to keep you alive then you have two choices: Die or take thyroid medication. There are no vitamins or supplements that will prevent that or replace your thyroid function. Luck, > > Re: Armour-Thyroid > <hypothyroidism/message/39388;_ylc=X3oDMTJxNWlyZXZ\ wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzkzODgEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIxNDA0NDg3NQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Roxana Muise " roxanamuise@... > <mailto:roxanamuise@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour-Thyroid> > > > Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:47 pm (PDT) > > This will introduce me. I've been lurking for several years. Before that, > for 7 years I was hyper-thyroid, trying all kinds of natural cures. > It finally got so bad that I couldn't sleep and had palpitations and > was full of energy, could eat as much as I wanted. An endocrinologist > had me drink radioactive iodine to " shrink my oversized thyroid " that > had fingers that went about 6 inches down from my throat. He said > that this treatment should shrink it to a more normal size so that it > would function properly. Well, a subsequent blood test, he put me on > synthroid saying that I would have to take it the rest of my life. > That did it - I left him and went to a naturopath. He said to take > Armour 60 mg and Thyroplex by Kordial. Then I moved and had to find > another doctor. His blood tests showed that I needed more T4, so he > added Levothyroxine .075 mg per day. > Recently, after a very prolonged and stressful situation, I > entertained a double ear infection, and upon recovery, went through a > cleanse. In the midst of that, I again experienced palpitations and > sleeplessness. The dr said to cut the armour dose in half, which > calmed me. We have been talking about my getting off of thyroid > prescriptions, and he sent me to a compounding pharmacist, who has > had success in that vein. He said to begin to add per day, 2 Iodoral > (by Optimox Corp, Torrance, CA) and get a full spectrum thyroid blood > test in 30 days. That's where I am to date. I have high hopes. > This is for your information. > Roxana Muise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Thanks all, but the offended party was my wife. I don't know where she gets her info, or if she was just using that as an excuse for me not to share her pet name for me, but I'll refrain from using that name in a public forum again... -Mike > > I've lead a sheltered life I guess. And maybe Google has too; you don't > get a sexual connotation from " papa bear " unless you add the word " gay " > [unless it's way down the list somewhere]. Personally I wouldn't worry > about it; I'm sure Mike's wife intended it as a complement and as > totally heterosexual. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 james- I wouldn't say that there is NO credible evidence or support- my own thyroid MD uses 5 grains herself. she is board certified physician in both OB/GYN and Natural Medicine From: Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 2:51 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Armour-Thyroid You specifically recommended Armour in a dose of 180 to 300 mg; if I'm in error please correct me. And you are free to recommend whatever dose you care to; but when the manufacturer recommends a maximum dose of 180 mg and you recommend a dose that is 66.66% higher than the manufacturer I suggest you should make it clear that you are suggesting something that the manufacturer DOES NOT recommend; and for which there is no credible support. That would be to protect the newcomer, who might not be aware of your bias. IMHO any person who makes such a recommendation on _any_ list should point out that the manufacturer [who, after all benefits from greater sales if people take higher doses] does not recommend such a high dose. There just might be a good reason for the manufacturer to not recommend the dosage you do; for example some small percentage of people might have been found to have very negative results with higher doses. Unless you know that is not the case then you are willing to gamble with other people's lives. Re: Armour-Thyroid <hypothyroidism/message/39371;_ylc=X3oDMTJxOWVyYjg\ 4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzkzNzEEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIxNDA0NDg3NQ--> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour-Thyroid> graciabee <graciabee> Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:13 am (PDT) I recommend that peeps who are using dessicated thyroid meds like Armour, naturethroid etc. join other groups that know how to use it. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com <http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com> Sam's group thyroidless I think. I am the lone voice here. Gracia Gracia, when you personally recommend a dose much higher than the manufacturer don't you think you should make it clear that it is YOUR recommendation and that it is higher than the manufacturer' s recommendation? Granted the regulars here know your bias and will not be confused; but what about a newcomer who drops in??? OTOH, if 300 mg is recommended by a credible source please provide the reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 thanks. I don't have a folder for you! I don't find you to be nasty. As for me and my Rxes--I really know what I am talking about! I am very confidant in that. Gracia Gracia, I disagree with you very often but if I've ever written anything to you that you consider " nasty " then please point it out. That has not been my intent. I do strongly disagree with your personal " prescriptions " to so many people, because I'm afraid they may be harmed. PS: As for Chuck I've never seen him post anything unkind; although perhaps misunderstood. > > Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Health Memory Loss Are you at risk for Alzheimers? Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Sitebuilder Build a web site quickly & easily with Sitebuilder. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date: 6/21/2008 9:27 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 ppl are undertreated on Armour b/c of TSH test, b/c docs do not treat adrenals. I myself could only tolerate 90mg Armour for a long time--b/c I needed other adrenal and sex hormones. the system is sick and the system is wrong. I am glad you like it but it doesn't work for the rest of us. Gracia You specifically recommended Armour in a dose of 180 to 300 mg; if I'm in error please correct me. And you are free to recommend whatever dose you care to; but when the manufacturer recommends a maximum dose of 180 mg and you recommend a dose that is 66.66% higher than the manufacturer I suggest you should make it clear that you are suggesting something that the manufacturer DOES NOT recommend; and for which there is no credible support. That would be to protect the newcomer, who might not be aware of your bias. IMHO any person who makes such a recommendation on _any_ list should point out that the manufacturer [who, after all benefits from greater sales if people take higher doses] does not recommend such a high dose. There just might be a good reason for the manufacturer to not recommend the dosage you do; for example some small percentage of people might have been found to have very negative results with higher doses. Unless you know that is not the case then you are willing to gamble with other people's lives. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Health Early Detection Know the symptoms of breast cancer. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date: 6/21/2008 9:27 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Er, I think I meant " ...compliment... " > > Re: Armour-Thyroid > <hypothyroidism/message/39446;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdWVtMTN\ yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzk0NDYEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIxNDEzMTQ5NQ--> > > > > Posted by: " " res075oh@... > <mailto:res075oh@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour-Thyroid> > jamesl33511 <jamesl33511> > > > Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:21 pm (PDT) > > I've lead a sheltered life I guess. And maybe Google has too; you don't > get a sexual connotation from " papa bear " unless you add the word " gay " > [unless it's way down the list somewhere]. Personally I wouldn't worry > about it; I'm sure Mike's wife intended it as a complement and as > totally heterosexual. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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