Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

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sure they like to make money---on their patented drugs. if you are

undertreated for thyroid then you will need psych drugs, cholesterol, rheumi etc

etc.

Gracia

So we have a pharmaceutical company recommending a maximum dose that is

less than optimal for AVERAGE use??? They must not like to make money...

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[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> So we have a pharmaceutical company recommending a maximum dose that is

> less than optimal for AVERAGE use??? They must not like to make money...

It probably has more to do with litigation. If they are very

conservative on the recommended dose, then if anyone is injured by

exceeding it, the law suit goes to the prescribing physician instead.

Chuck

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Sam,

You wrote:

>

> Uh, Chuck? I've been told by Hashi's people doing this, that at their

> individual full replacement doses of Armour, with taking adrenal

> support (where necessary), and selenium (and magnesium where

> necessary), that their antibodies are no longer measurable.

People can say all sorts of things without there being the remotest

connection to reality. Sometimes coincidences occur. That is why I asked

for scientific evidence that this claim is true. We have also heard from

people on this list who have had autoimmune storms recur even after

being medicated for awhile.

Antibodies are produced in response to a complex, poorly understood

series of triggers. However, it seems much more likely that a lack of

thyroxine is the result of antibodies not the cause. Otherwise, there

would be no such thing as iodiopathic hypoT, in which the hormones

disappear without any antibody activity.

Both types of thyroid antibodies seem to subside when the gland stops

functioning. Coincidentally, that is when most people start to need a

full replacement dose. To the extent that meds hasten the end of the

gland, they may contribute to eventual subsidence of the autoimmune

attack, but I see no reason to expect a direct influence. In fact, the

published studies we have listed at length before, suggest that all

forms of iodine exacerbate the antibodies.

Chuck

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neil,

You wrote:

>

> Oh, you want " scientific studies " , no doubt from allopathic journals?

> You know perfectly well they don't exist,...

You are quite correct about my expectations. I would have been very

surprised had you come up with any evidence resembling science.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

No doctor would tell us that the treatment they gave us for one illness caused

another

one. That makes sense given how they are so secretive and nonforthcomintg with

their

mistakes in all things. The only doctor that ever did that was an intnist who

prescribed

something for me, and had referred me to someone else for something else, and

then

they both called frantically the next day and told me not to take the two rxd

drugs because

they interract with each other. That was way before google was a sparkle in

it's inventor's

eye, or I would have known, because my late husband was a computer whiz, and

would

have looked it up.

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

I had a lung infection a few years back and was given those types of

meds as well. I also used them minimally and do keep xopenex on hand

if ever that happens again. No ill after-effects, tho. Yes I had

A-fib but that seems to have been entirely motivated by low

aldosterone - really amazing how treating that has put a sparkle on

everything.

Sam

> >

> > Not the equivalent of suppressing antibodies? I mean,

> > how much closer can you get to that other than meds

> > that kill certain antibodies specifically, which

> > doesn't even exist.

>

> Quieting is not the same thing as suppressing.

>

> A chemical that directly reduces the activity of the immune system

could

> be said to be suppressing it. Corticosteroids are known to do that.

> Anti-inflammatory medications, such as NSAIDS may also be said to

> suppress. The known triggers of autoimmune attacks on the thyroid

are

> things that cause an " irritation " response.

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[Guest guest]

Good thing you paid attention. I was also almost killed by a doctor who was

going to give

me a shot of pennicillin, and it was all over the paperwork that I was

allergic. If I hadn't

recognized the substance in the syringe I wouldn't be here happily suffering

today. LOL

Roni

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

Oh my gosh. The day I broke my back in 1987, I was in the emergency

room and had it noted on the paperwork I was deathly allergic to

codeine, and I voiced the same to the doctor who wrote me a

prescription for codeine for pain even before he wrote the

prescription, and after he wrote the prescription. Oh my...

Sam :-o

> > >

> > > Not the equivalent of suppressing antibodies? I mean,

> > > how much closer can you get to that other than meds

> > > that kill certain antibodies specifically, which

> > > doesn't even exist.

> >

> > Quieting is not the same thing as suppressing.

> >

> > A chemical that directly reduces the activity of the immune

system

> could

> > be said to be suppressing it. Corticosteroids are known to do

that.

> > Anti-inflammatory medications, such as NSAIDS may also be said to

> > suppress. The known triggers of autoimmune attacks on the thyroid

> are

> > things that cause an " irritation " response.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Try it now.

>

>

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Maybe a good smack in the head.

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

I wonder if they'd pay attention to a MedicAlert neon sign.

Sam :-D

> > > >

> > > > Not the equivalent of suppressing antibodies? I mean,

> > > > how much closer can you get to that other than meds

> > > > that kill certain antibodies specifically, which

> > > > doesn't even exist.

> > >

> > > Quieting is not the same thing as suppressing.

> > >

> > > A chemical that directly reduces the activity of the immune

> system

> > could

> > > be said to be suppressing it. Corticosteroids are known to do

> that.

> > > Anti-inflammatory medications, such as NSAIDS may also be said

to

> > > suppress. The known triggers of autoimmune attacks on the

thyroid

> > are

> > > things that cause an " irritation " response.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

Mobile.

> Try it now.

> >

> >

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That is a good one, but not worth my effort. They get paid enough.

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

Or brain transplant.

Sam :-D

> > > > >

> > > > > Not the equivalent of suppressing antibodies? I mean,

> > > > > how much closer can you get to that other than meds

> > > > > that kill certain antibodies specifically, which

> > > > > doesn't even exist.

> > > >

> > > > Quieting is not the same thing as suppressing.

> > > >

> > > > A chemical that directly reduces the activity of the immune

> > system

> > > could

> > > > be said to be suppressing it. Corticosteroids are known to do

> > that.

> > > > Anti-inflammatory medications, such as NSAIDS may also be

said

> to

> > > > suppress. The known triggers of autoimmune attacks on the

> thyroid

> > > are

> > > > things that cause an " irritation " response.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

> Mobile.

> > Try it now.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Sam,

TPO is a target of one of the major types of antibodies. The other big

one is thyroglobulin. You seem to think the antibodies come FROM the

TPO. Instead they are " coded " to attack TPO and end up attacking TPO (or

globulin) in situ in the gland. They are recognized and counted by

chemicals that detect the " code. "

Your information about the TPO enzyme doesn't say anything about what

provokes production of those antibodies or why Armour would shut the

process down. Iodine deficiency (the real kind, not what everyone in the

world has) is known to cause goiter and nodules, both of which involve

the inflammation response. OTOH, a similar inflammation stimulation of

TPO antibodies comes from using iodine to RELIEVE the deficiency. Both

cause TPO antibody proliferation. Thus, I don't see why Armour would

help except indirectly.

http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/105072503322021151

Chuck

You wrote:

>

> Chuch, dear, any type of " studies " of the sort you are wanting would

> use synthetic thyroid drugs rather than desiccated thyroid and

> therefore would not show any positive influence against antibodies.

>

> With Hashi's, it seems, supressing the thyroid via desiccated thyroid

> at an eventual full replacement dose does indeed cause antibodies to

> stop attacking the thyroid.

>

> If you don't know where TPO antibodies come from, here is little bit

> of info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyroid_peroxidase

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyroid_peroxidase>

> " Thyroid peroxidase or Thyroperoxidase (TPO) is an enzyme mainly

> expressed in the thyroid that liberates iodine for addition onto

> tyrosine residues on thyroglobulin for the production of thyroxine

> (T4) or triiodothyronine (T3) (thyroid hormones). "

>

> " Inorganic iodine enters the body primarily as iodide, I-. After

> entering the thyroid follicle (or thyroid follicular cell) via a

> Na+/I- symporter (NIS) on the basolateral side, iodide is shuttled

> across the apical membrane into the colloid via pendrin, after which

> thyroid peroxidase oxidizes iodide to atomic iodine (I) or iodinium

> (I+). The " organification of iodine, " the incorporation of iodine to

> thyroglobulin for the production of thyroid hormone is inseparable

> from oxidation and is catalyzed by TPO. The chemical reactions

> catalyzed by thyroid peroxidase occur on the outer apical membrane

> surface and are mediated by hydrogen peroxide. "

>

> What happens in the presence of iodine deficiency and normal TPO?

>

[Guest guest]

Awww, Roni, lol ... I'm glad you caught the mistake!!!

Peace,

--- Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

> Good thing you paid attention. I was also almost

> killed by a doctor who was going to give

> me a shot of pennicillin, and it was all over the

> paperwork that I was allergic. If I hadn't

> recognized the substance in the syringe I wouldn't

> be here happily suffering today. LOL

> Roni

> Roni

>

> Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

> Oh my gosh. The day I broke my back in

> 1987, I was in the emergency

> room and had it noted on the paperwork I was deathly

> allergic to

> codeine, and I voiced the same to the doctor who

> wrote me a

> prescription for codeine for pain even before he

> wrote the

> prescription, and after he wrote the prescription.

> Oh my...

>

> Sam :-o

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Not the equivalent of suppressing antibodies?

> I mean,

> > > > how much closer can you get to that other than

> meds

> > > > that kill certain antibodies specifically,

> which

> > > > doesn't even exist.

> > >

> > > Quieting is not the same thing as suppressing.

> > >

> > > A chemical that directly reduces the activity of

> the immune

> system

> > could

> > > be said to be suppressing it. Corticosteroids

> are known to do

> that.

> > > Anti-inflammatory medications, such as NSAIDS

> may also be said to

> > > suppress. The known triggers of autoimmune

> attacks on the thyroid

> > are

> > > things that cause an " irritation " response.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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> Try it now.

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and high dose iodine/iodide

yes iodine cures hashis

Gracia

Uh, Chuck? I've been told by Hashi's people doing this, that at their

individual full replacement doses of Armour, with taking adrenal

support (where necessary), and selenium (and magnesium where

necessary), that their antibodies are no longer measurable.

Sam

(thyroidless since 1990)

> > ... Usually Hashi's patients require more to fully suppress their

anti bodies and feel

> > well....

>

> This is more complete nonsense. Please give us one bit of

scientific or

> documented evidence to support your claim that Armour suppresses

> antibodies.

>

> At least you seem to be consistent.

>

> Chuck

>

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^ & ^

I love science, hooray for science, but some of the stuff that's supposed to

be science, ain't.

what happened to the healing arts? evidence based medicine?

Gracia

neil,

You wrote:

>

> Oh, you want " scientific studies " , no doubt from allopathic journals?

> You know perfectly well they don't exist,...

You are quite correct about my expectations. I would have been very

surprised had you come up with any evidence resembling science.

Chuck

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Gracia that isn't even close to being funny and cute.

And if you're being serious ... I don't even know what

to say.

Peace,

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> and high dose iodine/iodide

> yes iodine cures hashis

> Gracia

>

>

> Uh, Chuck? I've been told by Hashi's people doing

> this, that at their

> individual full replacement doses of Armour, with

> taking adrenal

> support (where necessary), and selenium (and

> magnesium where

> necessary), that their antibodies are no longer

> measurable.

>

> Sam

> (thyroidless since 1990)

>

>

> > > ... Usually Hashi's patients require more to

> fully suppress their

> anti bodies and feel

> > > well....

> >

> > This is more complete nonsense. Please give us

> one bit of

> scientific or

> > documented evidence to support your claim that

> Armour suppresses

> > antibodies.

> >

> > At least you seem to be consistent.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Okay, I feel bad about how strong I came across.

Maybe what you said, Gracia, was a joke. It's just

hard hearing something phrased as " a cure for hashi's "

and said so lightly because there isn't a cure. Some

things reduce antibodies or even get rid of them

completely (supposedly) but once you stop doing these

things it's back to square one and you still have a

crappy thyroid that perhaps like me, you struggle with

every day.

Peace,

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> and high dose iodine/iodide

> yes iodine cures hashis

> Gracia

>

>

> Uh, Chuck? I've been told by Hashi's people doing

> this, that at their

> individual full replacement doses of Armour, with

> taking adrenal

> support (where necessary), and selenium (and

> magnesium where

> necessary), that their antibodies are no longer

> measurable.

>

> Sam

> (thyroidless since 1990)

>

>

> > > ... Usually Hashi's patients require more to

> fully suppress their

> anti bodies and feel

> > > well....

> >

> > This is more complete nonsense. Please give us

> one bit of

> scientific or

> > documented evidence to support your claim that

> Armour suppresses

> > antibodies.

> >

> > At least you seem to be consistent.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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and I did not say that T4 meds can't cause osteoporosis, but the way his

statement reads- it sounds like he is saying that osteo can be only caused by

hypo T meds.

RE: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

>

>

> Awwww....thanks for the compliment Chuck!

>

> , They are way too afraid of Osteoporosis

> disease (still another bad side effect of synthetic T4)

>

>

>

>

>

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

claire- she wasn't joking- gracia believes that iodine can cure everything,

regardless of the research that may show otherwise.....

nancie

Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

Okay, I feel bad about how strong I came across.

Maybe what you said, Gracia, was a joke. It's just

hard hearing something phrased as " a cure for hashi's "

and said so lightly because there isn't a cure. Some

things reduce antibodies or even get rid of them

completely (supposedly) but once you stop doing these

things it's back to square one and you still have a

crappy thyroid that perhaps like me, you struggle with

every day.

Peace,

--- Gracia <circe@...<mailto:circe%40gwi.net>> wrote:

>

> and high dose iodine/iodide

> yes iodine cures hashis

> Gracia

>

>

> Uh, Chuck? I've been told by Hashi's people doing

> this, that at their

> individual full replacement doses of Armour, with

> taking adrenal

> support (where necessary), and selenium (and

> magnesium where

> necessary), that their antibodies are no longer

> measurable.

>

> Sam

> (thyroidless since 1990)

>

>

> > > ... Usually Hashi's patients require more to

> fully suppress their

> anti bodies and feel

> > > well....

> >

> > This is more complete nonsense. Please give us

> one bit of

> scientific or

> > documented evidence to support your claim that

> Armour suppresses

> > antibodies.

> >

> > At least you seem to be consistent.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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But Sam, it's a SMUG face - not a smiley face!

Dusty

Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

Uh-oh, you missed the smiley face...

> > > > ... Usually Hashi's patients require more to

> > fully suppress their

> > anti bodies and feel

> > > > well....

> > >

> > > This is more complete nonsense. Please give us

> > one bit of

> > scientific or

> > > documented evidence to support your claim that

> > Armour suppresses

> > > antibodies.

> > >

> > > At least you seem to be consistent.

> > >

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Arey you saying that your bone density increased since using Armour? How long

did

that take?

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

Low TSH causes osteoporosis, eh? Let's see, I had bone severe loss

from synthroid and from being severely hypOthyroid, and my TSH was no

where near supressed. On Armour, dosed by symptoms, and with such a

little TSH that it would probably scare Chuck and to pieces, I

have excellent bone density - aka bones of steel...at least according

to the bone density testing I have had. Yea, and according to all the

wild fun I have, too.

Sam

> >

> >

> > Chuck- not according to TED Friedman, MD who is a specialist in

thyroid

> > diseases and USES armour in his practice. He does research at

both

> > Cedars Sinai and at Drew university- which is part of LA county

system.

> > Plus, My doc Prudence Hall, MD also says the the same thing and

she

> > prescribes and USES armour in her practice.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

of she is smiling sam because she means it. come on sam gracia is the #1

advocate of taking iodine for anything and everything! plus according to her it

will cure all diseases, including lupus, which I find very amusing.

nancie

Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

Nah, it looks like a regular smiley face to me.

<---regular smiley face

<---winking smiley face

:\ <---frustrated smiley face

<---tongue sticking out smiley face

:E <---vampire smiley face

haha :-D

> > > > > ... Usually Hashi's patients require more to

> > > fully suppress their

> > > anti bodies and feel

> > > > > well....

> > > >

> > > > This is more complete nonsense. Please give us

> > > one bit of

> > > scientific or

> > > > documented evidence to support your claim that

> > > Armour suppresses

> > > > antibodies.

> > > >

> > > > At least you seem to be consistent.

> > > >

> > > > Chuck

> > > >

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yes, armour can reverse osteoporosis { because it has calcitonin in the drug]

if it is taken in the right dose for that person and that the TSH is not

undetectable. if your TSH tends to be very low or undetectable after you have

found your correct dose then it is advised to get yearly dexta scans to monitor

your bones and to take extra calcium and if you have osteopenia [ which is the

level before osteoporosis] then you should take either boniva or the like or

some kind of herbal tx; especially if you are in menopause and can't take any

hormone replacement.

what sam fails to see or accept is that are many causes of osteo and one of them

are caused by too MUCH thyroid Hormone meds such as synthroid and natural

thyroid drugs.

nancie

Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

Arey you saying that your bone density increased since using Armour? How long

did

that take?

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...<mailto:k9gang@...>> wrote:

Low TSH causes osteoporosis, eh? Let's see, I had bone severe loss

from synthroid and from being severely hypOthyroid, and my TSH was no

where near supressed. On Armour, dosed by symptoms, and with such a

little TSH that it would probably scare Chuck and to pieces, I

have excellent bone density - aka bones of steel...at least according

to the bone density testing I have had. Yea, and according to all the

wild fun I have, too.

Sam

> >

> >

> > Chuck- not according to TED Friedman, MD who is a specialist in

thyroid

> > diseases and USES armour in his practice. He does research at

both

> > Cedars Sinai and at Drew university- which is part of LA county

system.

> > Plus, My doc Prudence Hall, MD also says the the same thing and

she

> > prescribes and USES armour in her practice.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes, that is a fact sam. low TSH<0.5 can cause osteoporosis because a low TSH

indicates a hyperthyroid condition in your body and hyperthyroidism causes

osteo.

per ted friedman and prudence hall who are MD's who use armour and other natural

thyroid hormones in their practices: " taking T3 disrupts the way your body

naturally controls and regulates TSH levels. And if you take T3, you will drop

your TSH to low levels <0.5 and you will experience low T4 levels and when you

have low T4 levels you will get low TSH levels. In addition, taking too much T3

can stress your heart, Taking any thyroid hormone replacement can also put you

into a state of hyperthyroidism which can cause heart problems and

osteoporosis " .

But as my other post stated so does many other Diseases and conditions. Which

includes HYPO T.

some of the causes of osteoporosis:

1. hypo T

2. too much thyroid replacement medication whether it is natural or synthetic

3. HYperthyrodism

4. Menopause

5. Genetics

6. Cancer

7. Chemo drugs.

8. premature ovarian failure.

9. parathyroid organ problems.

Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

Low TSH causes osteoporosis, eh? Let's see, I had bone severe loss

from synthroid and from being severely hypOthyroid, and my TSH was no

where near supressed. On Armour, dosed by symptoms, and with such a

little TSH that it would probably scare Chuck and to pieces, I

have excellent bone density - aka bones of steel...at least according

to the bone density testing I have had. Yea, and according to all the

wild fun I have, too.

Sam

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[Guest guest]

I must say, I have been reading that hashi's is helpful in autoimmune and then

read that it is not. It is so confusing...why is it so confusing? We hear it

is bad, then we hear it is good. What is the truth? To Gracia's and Sam's

defense, they can only share what their conscience says to share. And to others

who don't support their side, they can only share what they think to be right.

I think we all care, we just need to find the truth.

Where do we start?

Blessings,

[Guest guest]

Good grief...I left out the " Iodine " reference being helpful in hashi's. Yikes,

my brain if foggy!!

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote:

I must say, I have been reading that hashi's is helpful in autoimmune

and then read that it is not. It is so confusing...why is it so confusing? We

hear it is bad, then we hear it is good. What is the truth? To Gracia's and

Sam's defense, they can only share what their conscience says to share. And to

others who don't support their side, they can only share what they think to be

right. I think we all care, we just need to find the truth.

Where do we start?

Blessings,

[Guest guest]

Sam-

excuse me but I know very well how the thyroid and anterior pituitary works and

what the meds will do to their hormones.

What you seem to ignore is that while we do not use the TSH to manage the Hypo T

with , WE DO USE TO MONITOR IT AS FAR AS THE ADVERSE REACTION CALLED afib AND

OSTEO. you simple do not get that for some people AFIB and osteo can be life

threatening. if these conditions are not adrenal related. yes, that is correct

people can still get AFIB and osteo even if their adrenals are ok. so, all we

want to do is make sure that they do not get AFIB and osteo.

as far as Bonita and Foamex and actonel goes you are absolutely wrong. they do

IMPROVE bone density and 1000's of patients that are on them will tell you so!!

Take me for example, I take them and it has improved my bone density!! and as

far as your claim that dentist will not pull out teeth in people who take them-

that is FALSE!! have had to have multiple teeth pulled because my bile reflux

and have had multiple implants done and that has NEVER been an issue. in fact

all the oral surgeons have been happy that I am addressing my osteo.

I think my dentist, who is also a Chinese MD, will have a good laugh with that

and so will the staff at UCLA school of dentistry and my rheumatologist Bevra

Hahn who is chief of rheum at UCLA and is the foremost expert on sle and osteo

in the world.

Now, if you take these meds and not have osteo- then that is just plain crazy

because if will add bone where they don't need it. that MD should have his/her

license nailed. NO one I know gives this class of medication without having a

diagnosis of either osteopenia or osteoporosis. that is just plain malpractice.

Excuse me sam- but I have never said that the dose you take is wrong for you-

what ever works for you, great. BUT that DOES NOT mean that it WILL work for

everyone. I HAVE ALWAYS STATED THAT EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND THUS EVERYONE'S

DOSE MAY BE DIFFERENT. especially with thyroid and iodine.

I HAVE ALSO NEVER STATED THAT YOU ARE HYPER OR HYPO T. ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT

TOO LOW OF A TSH CAN HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CAUSE AFIB AND OSTEO. THAT IS A FACT

That 100's of medical providers will also state regardless of whether they

practice allopathic or natural medicine.. It is just a Scientific FACT.

I am fully aware that you have no thyroid gland and that you need a higher dose

of armour than people who still have a thyroid and I am fully aware that you

need higher doses of iodine that someone else. All I am asking is that you

accept that these side effects do happen and for some people it would be

malpractice for medical providers not to be concerned for the patient. I am also

fully aware that when you find the right dose of armour or other thyroid

medication- the issue of AFIB and Osteo can go away.

nancie

.

[Guest guest]

There are actually doctors that treat patients...that have many years of

actual experience of laying their hands on patients and seeing results...and

those doctors do not want to wait 5-30 years for the results of a study when

they already know the result!

Neil

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hypothyroidism

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Peer reviewed literature is the gold standard of the world among

intelligent, educated people. For anything less you may as well use the

SWAG method.

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> Oh, you want " scientific studies " , no doubt from allopathic journals?