Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

January 23, 2008

Venizia-

I am so happy you found a great doc! congrats!

nancie

Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

Gracia,

I can understand where you are coming from and I understand that if it

works for people fine but my new doctor is not the typical,

conventional doctor you are taking about. This is why I chose to go

to him. He is into Broda and the others and he still says for

Hashi's don't do it. He is known for treating thyroid by " natural "

methods. Until someone with Hashi's can show me proof that it is

doing wonders for them, I will stick with what my doctor has to say,

for now. I do appreciate your comments and I feel you are very

genuine in your beliefs so I suggest you keep the info coming and

maybe someday you will convince me. Thanks for your concern.

Venizia

>

> hi Venezia

> I am glad you are happy with your new doc but he is not right

about iodine and hashis. that is conventional thinking and what docs

are taught, but it is not correct. I only wish I had been given

iodine/iodide as a child--it would have saved me from a life of hell.

> Gracia

>

> Hi ,

>

> Just met with my new doctor today. I brought up the fact that this is

> a big discussion on our list. He said iodine is definately not good

> for those with hashi's. He is one that treats with Armour and looks

> at FT3 & Ft4 and also TSH. He brought up a patient with Hashi's that

> was taking a multiple vitamin that had iron. She couldn't figure out

> why she felt so bad until she brought up that fact that she was taking

> a vitamin to him.

>

> Wasn't there someone on the list that has hashi's and tried iodine and

> said they didn't do well on it. I am going back into the posts and

> see if I can find that. Or if you are that person maybe you could

> elaborate for us.

>

> By the way, I am very happy with my new doctor today. He is

> definitely up on what works for us. He treats naturally (I know some

> of you do not feel there is anything natural about Armour) Anyway, he

> took is time with me. Is doing my Ft3 and 4 and Ferritin. As for

> adrenals he said that if I had an adrenal problem, my BP would be low

> like in the 90's and it was 126/65 so.....I may still bring it up

> again depending on what he finds out from the blood tests. Once they

> are in we will discuss things further.

>

> Venizia

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January 23, 2008

that level of iodine that is in out bodies is reduced to the molecular and

chemical properties and does not switch on the IgE antibody-antigen mediated

hypersensitivity reaction that occurs in people who have a genetic profile that

triggers iodine allergic reactions.

The NIH [ national institutes of Health} at:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-iodine.html<http://w\

ww.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-iodine.html>

Allergies

Some individuals are allergic/hypersensitive to iodide or to organic

preparations containing iodine. Hypersensitivity reactions may involve rash,

angioedema (throat swelling), cutaneous/mucosal hemorrhage (bleeding), fever,

arthralgias (joint pains), eosinophilia (abnormal blood counts), urticaria

(hives), thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura, or severe periarteritis

(inflammation around blood vessels). Reactions can be severe and deaths have

occurred with exposure. Iodine-based products should be avoided if there is

known allergy/hypersensitivity to iodine.

Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

Ok, answer this about people that actually 'are' allergic to

inorganic iodine. Iodine in the body is necessary to be alive, and

those people have iodine in their bodies (or they wouldn't be alive),

so how come they don't react to the iodine in their bodies, organs,

brain, eyes, skin, etc?

>

> your lack of medical knowledge is showing garcia BECAUSE NOT

EVERYONE can take iodine. people who are allergic to any form of

iodine can not take it because they can get an severe allergic

reaction that could kill them! I know because I am one of them.

> one of my docs, prudence hall who has extensive training in natural

medicine as well as allopathic medicine concurs about this. she also

knows that NOT all people can be on hormone replacement therapy, take

lupus patients- it is contraindicated for people who have lupus/sle

to take any hormone replacement because they will flare the disease

process, just like people who have breast cancer and uterine cancer-

you NEVER give them hormone replacement because the hormones drive

the cancer.

> women who are not in menopause and kids CAN NOT take sex hormone

replacement therapy! otherwise you are giving them something that can

trigger cancer and other diseases.

> I never said good medical care was about using monotherapy. DO NOT

PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH.

> I was speaking about armour specifically.

> like I have said what works for you is great- but it may not work

for every other person in the universe.

> I am very happy that what you take helps you- I just can't

understand why you can't accept that not everyone is like you. even

sam, takes more armour than you do- because she needs it. if you feel

that we are all the same [gggg] then why don't you take 11 grains of

armour?

January 24, 2008

this is old thinking. join the iodine group and post this!

Gracia

that level of iodine that is in out bodies is reduced to the molecular and

chemical properties and does not switch on the IgE antibody-antigen mediated

hypersensitivity reaction that occurs in people who have a genetic profile that

triggers iodine allergic reactions.

The NIH [ national institutes of Health} at:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-iodine.html<http://w\

ww.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-iodine.html>

Allergies

Some individuals are allergic/hypersensitive to iodide or to organic

preparations containing iodine. Hypersensitivity reactions may involve rash,

angioedema (throat swelling), cutaneous/mucosal hemorrhage (bleeding), fever,

arthralgias (joint pains), eosinophilia (abnormal blood counts), urticaria

(hives), thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura, or severe periarteritis

(inflammation around blood vessels). Reactions can be severe and deaths have

occurred with exposure. Iodine-based products should be avoided if there is

known allergy/hypersensitivity to iodine.

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January 24, 2008

this is just a lot of misinformation.

actually lupus/sle absolutely MUST be treated with hormones.

It sounds like Prudence Hall will be open to new thinking at some point.

you can " ask a pharmacist " at http://www.womensinternational.com

your lack of medical knowledge is showing garcia BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE can take

iodine. people who are allergic to any form of iodine can not take it because

they can get an severe allergic reaction that could kill them! I know because I

am one of them.

one of my docs, prudence hall who has extensive training in natural medicine

as well as allopathic medicine concurs about this. she also knows that NOT all

people can be on hormone replacement therapy, take lupus patients- it is

contraindicated for people who have lupus/sle to take any hormone replacement

because they will flare the disease process, just like people who have breast

cancer and uterine cancer- you NEVER give them hormone replacement because the

hormones drive the cancer.

women who are not in menopause and kids CAN NOT take sex hormone replacement

therapy! otherwise you are giving them something that can trigger cancer and

other diseases.

I never said good medical care was about using monotherapy. DO NOT PUT WORDS

INTO MY MOUTH.

I was speaking about armour specifically.

like I have said what works for you is great- but it may not work for every

other person in the universe.

I am very happy that what you take helps you- I just can't understand why you

can't accept that not everyone is like you. even sam, takes more armour than you

do- because she needs it. if you feel that we are all the same [gggg] then why

don't you take 11 grains of armour?

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you don't know enough about using cortef and iodine, which of course everyone

can take. and then there are the sex hormones.

One of my best docs, a Broda doc, had me do 24 hr urine test for 32

different things from

http://www.antibodyassay.com<http://www.antibodyassay.com/> --cost about $350.

He spent 2 hours talking to me as well. first thing he said was " tell me

everything. don't think that something is unimportant. " He listened, used his

experience plus test results. I needed cortef, Armour, sex hormones.

good medical care isn't very often about one hormone by itself.

Gracia

and I am not advocating that you do- your dose is optimal, a person who is

just starting armour and hasn't reached their optimal dose- who either can't

take adrenal meds or iodine can be at risk for AFIB and osteo. look at roni- she

was experiencing afib and her dose is not optimal yet!!!!!!

what do you want to me to do for that small grp of patients, ignore their

symptoms, especialy the cardiac with directions to ignore it- it will go away-

and what happens if a few of them have a stroke or heart attack caused by the

afib which I told them not to worry about?!! what would you do, gracia??

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January 24, 2008

Interesting. Thanks gracia!

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my TSH is .3 but my frees are perfect. I would not change my Armour dose

based on TSH.

Gracia

Well are there any instances in which a tsh <0.5 is okay? I thought it was

<0.1.

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January 24, 2008

Hi Neil,

I think you may have missed a few of my posts. I am a user of bio identical

hormones - estrogen, testosterone and progesterone/progestin. I too was a

victim of early menopause and as I stated in one of my earlier posts this

week, quite a few years ago I got a really negative dexa scan showing osteo

problems. So I went on PREMPRO (non bio identicals) and a few years later

had the scan redone and I was in great shape bone wise (osteoporosis). I

then switched to bio identicals which I have been on since 2002 - but never,

before now, have I taken Vitamin D. So, my point in the post to Gracia

and Sam , the bone improvement cannot be attributed directly to the use of

Armour when one is using sex hormones too. That's all my point was - not

that sex hormones cannot or do not improve bone mass. I didn't say that,

couldn't say that - because as I wrote earlier, my own bones improved from

them. My doc doses me according to what works for my female conditions and

my blood estradiol ranges from 66 to 72 which is high for a postmenopausal

woman (untreated post meno women range around 30) - but which works for me

and which frees me of the terrible vestibulitis and dysathetic vulvodynia

disorders. My testosterone is on the high normal side for a menopausal

woman and progesterone is never tested. I loathe

prosterone of any kind - which causes bloating, headache, nausea,

constipation, breast pain, bladder irritation and a whole host of other

things.

I will say, however, that I have still osteoarthritis and have had it since

my early 30's - it started in my toes and spine. Sex hormone therapy has

not made it disappear despite the research that the two estrogen receptors

alpoha nd beta have been identified in mormal and osteoarthritic cartilage,

indicating that cartilage can responde to estrogens. Growing older (59now)

has only increased my problems with arthritis. It remains to be seen if my

dosing with Vitamin D will!!! Hopefully this is so.

Dosing with extra hormones because one has headache or a hip ache (strained

muscles, slept the wrong way - any one of a million causes) is insane. BTW,

have you seen the dosages Gracia claims to be on? Compare that to those of

your wife.

I guess the bottom line for me, Neil is that Gracia's insistence that all

diseases and all our aches and pains are due to either thyroid, iodine or

sex hormone deficiency kinda leave a bad taste in my mouth. Osteoarthritis

has any number of contribution factors - obestity (I'm 50 lbs overweight and

have been a tubbo since birth), lack of proper diet - I eat ice cream, chips

and candy daily, lack of use of vitmins (I never took calcium or Vitamin D)

and on and on and on. SOOOOOO many of us want to blame what's wrong with us

on docs, failing thyroids, iodine problems, sex hormone problems - you get

the picture. SO many of us want instant gratification - oops my head hurts

- I'll pop some ESTROGEN (??????). So few of us want to change our

lives, lifestyles and eating habits. Its way to easy to blame the system!!

Dusty

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>

> 1) Armour has calcitonen in it, which " fixes " calcium to bone.

>

> 2) hormones are wonderful, but I have had to seriously decrease the

estrogen

> and progesterone, b/c of iodine and how it affects hormone receptors.

> everything all together has made my teeth bigger! and harder!

> hmmmm that could be a comercial for something.

> Gracia

>

> You also are using bio identical sex hormones, which have made your

bones

> and teeth twice as strong as they used to be. No secret about their

> ability to do that. Funny you don't mention it here.

>

> Here it comes again, that misrepresentation of the wonders of ONLY YOUR

> drugs with perfect numbers according to where YOU DESIRE those

numbers to be

> and not any medical standard.

>

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January 24, 2008

They no doubt do react and never feel really well - with nagging symptoms

(as only allergy can produce) all their lives. It is when we OD them with

dyes containing iodine or meds of that sort that the reaction becomes

violent.

My father nearly died from an iodine injection back in the 70's. His heart

stopped and he had to be zapped back to life. The injection was part of a

mylegram (Sp?) for his WWII spinal injury. For the rest of his life - he

wore a medical bracelet.

As we boomers have entered into the menopause years, I have friends who have

been found to be allergic to sex hormones, yes compounded bio's as well as

non bio's.