Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

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this is complete confusion and wrong---really.

this is 90% allopathy and 10% holistic lite. accchhh

the next big leap for medical providers will be to learn about bioidentical

hormones. good book is Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD

Gracia

neil- the problem with that argument is that some people who have certain

genetic diseases that interferes with their ability to absorb Vit. D and calcium

would be shit out of luck if they did not take a drug like fosamax or boniva.

nancie

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Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> why wouldn't you know that this was organic iodine that is used in

> contrast dyes? it is not the same as inorganic iodine.

As usual, you are quite wrong. Both kinds are commonly used. The organic

iodine compounds are iohexol, iodixanol, and ioversol. Iodide compounds

include Diatrizoate (Hypaque 50), Metrizoate (Isopaque Coronar 370), and

Ioxaglate (Hexabrix). However, even the organic compounds release

elemental iodine and cause anaphylactoid reactions. Here's a quote:

" Anaphylactoid reactions occur rarely (Karnegis and Heinz, 1979; Lasser

et al, 1987; Greenberger and , 1988), but can occur in response

to injected as well as oral and rectal contrast and even retrograde

pyelography. They are similar in presentation to anaphylactic reactions,

but are not caused by an IgE-mediated immune response. Patients with a

history of contrast reactions, however, are at increased risk of

anaphylactoid reactions (Greenberger and , 1988; Lang et al,

1993). Pretreatment with corticosteroids has been shown to decrease the

incidence of adverse reactions (Lasser et al, 1988; Greenberger et al,

1985; Wittbrodt and Spinler, 1994).

Anaphylactoid reactions range from urticaria and itching, to

bronchospasm and facial and laryngeal edema. For simple cases of

urticaria and itching, Benadryl (diphenhydramine) oral or IV is

appropriate. For more severe reactions, including bronchospasm and

facial or neck edema, albuterol inhaler, or subcutaneous or IV

epinephrine, plus diphenhydramine may be needed. If respiration is

compromised, an airway must be established prior to medical management. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> why wouldn't you know that this was organic iodine that is used in

> contrast dyes? it is not the same as inorganic iodine.

As usual, you are quite wrong. Both kinds are commonly used. The organic

iodine compounds are iohexol, iodixanol, and ioversol. Iodide compounds

include Diatrizoate (Hypaque 50), Metrizoate (Isopaque Coronar 370), and

Ioxaglate (Hexabrix). However, even the organic compounds release

elemental iodine and cause anaphylactoid reactions. Here's a quote:

" Anaphylactoid reactions occur rarely (Karnegis and Heinz, 1979; Lasser

et al, 1987; Greenberger and , 1988), but can occur in response

to injected as well as oral and rectal contrast and even retrograde

pyelography. They are similar in presentation to anaphylactic reactions,

but are not caused by an IgE-mediated immune response. Patients with a

history of contrast reactions, however, are at increased risk of

anaphylactoid reactions (Greenberger and , 1988; Lang et al,

1993). Pretreatment with corticosteroids has been shown to decrease the

incidence of adverse reactions (Lasser et al, 1988; Greenberger et al,

1985; Wittbrodt and Spinler, 1994).

Anaphylactoid reactions range from urticaria and itching, to

bronchospasm and facial and laryngeal edema. For simple cases of

urticaria and itching, Benadryl (diphenhydramine) oral or IV is

appropriate. For more severe reactions, including bronchospasm and

facial or neck edema, albuterol inhaler, or subcutaneous or IV

epinephrine, plus diphenhydramine may be needed. If respiration is

compromised, an airway must be established prior to medical management. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I cannot make sense of this, sorry. I see only organic here. reaction

to contrast dyes does NOT mean a person is allergic to iodine/iodide that is

inorganic.

gracia

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> why wouldn't you know that this was organic iodine that is used in

> contrast dyes? it is not the same as inorganic iodine.

As usual, you are quite wrong. Both kinds are commonly used. The organic

iodine compounds are iohexol, iodixanol, and ioversol. Iodide compounds

include Diatrizoate (Hypaque 50), Metrizoate (Isopaque Coronar 370), and

Ioxaglate (Hexabrix). However, even the organic compounds release

elemental iodine and cause anaphylactoid reactions. Here's a quote:

" Anaphylactoid reactions occur rarely (Karnegis and Heinz, 1979; Lasser

et al, 1987; Greenberger and , 1988), but can occur in response

to injected as well as oral and rectal contrast and even retrograde

pyelography. They are similar in presentation to anaphylactic reactions,

but are not caused by an IgE-mediated immune response. Patients with a

history of contrast reactions, however, are at increased risk of

anaphylactoid reactions (Greenberger and , 1988; Lang et al,

1993). Pretreatment with corticosteroids has been shown to decrease the

incidence of adverse reactions (Lasser et al, 1988; Greenberger et al,

1985; Wittbrodt and Spinler, 1994).

Anaphylactoid reactions range from urticaria and itching, to

bronchospasm and facial and laryngeal edema. For simple cases of

urticaria and itching, Benadryl (diphenhydramine) oral or IV is

appropriate. For more severe reactions, including bronchospasm and

facial or neck edema, albuterol inhaler, or subcutaneous or IV

epinephrine, plus diphenhydramine may be needed. If respiration is

compromised, an airway must be established prior to medical management. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Gracia wrote:

>

> I cannot make sense of this, sorry. I see only organic here.

Organic compounds do have iodide IONS. I listed commonly used contrast

dyes that have iodide ions in them. Thus, these are classed as iodide

dyes, inorganic, even though they have an organic cation. The iodide

part, the anion, is INORGANIC. However, even the organic compounds

release elemental iodine, just like povidone (betadine) iodine does on

your skin. They both cause reactions. Both are well documented.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

as you know chuck, I disagree that the reaction aren't IgE mediated- because of

my training in immunology says otherwise. you can have IgE mediated

hypersensitivity reactions with all types of iodine.

it happens, that is a fact, it just mostly limited to people who already have

either a genetic predisposition and/or auto-immune diseases.

nancie

Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> why wouldn't you know that this was organic iodine that is used in

> contrast dyes? it is not the same as inorganic iodine.

As usual, you are quite wrong. Both kinds are commonly used. The organic

iodine compounds are iohexol, iodixanol, and ioversol. Iodide compounds

include Diatrizoate (Hypaque 50), Metrizoate (Isopaque Coronar 370), and

Ioxaglate (Hexabrix). However, even the organic compounds release

elemental iodine and cause anaphylactoid reactions. Here's a quote:

" Anaphylactoid reactions occur rarely (Karnegis and Heinz, 1979; Lasser

et al, 1987; Greenberger and , 1988), but can occur in response

to injected as well as oral and rectal contrast and even retrograde

pyelography. They are similar in presentation to anaphylactic reactions,

but are not caused by an IgE-mediated immune response. Patients with a

history of contrast reactions, however, are at increased risk of

anaphylactoid reactions (Greenberger and , 1988; Lang et al,

1993). Pretreatment with corticosteroids has been shown to decrease the

incidence of adverse reactions (Lasser et al, 1988; Greenberger et al,

1985; Wittbrodt and Spinler, 1994).

Anaphylactoid reactions range from urticaria and itching, to

bronchospasm and facial and laryngeal edema. For simple cases of

urticaria and itching, Benadryl (diphenhydramine) oral or IV is

appropriate. For more severe reactions, including bronchospasm and

facial or neck edema, albuterol inhaler, or subcutaneous or IV

epinephrine, plus diphenhydramine may be needed. If respiration is

compromised, an airway must be established prior to medical management. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

sure we can start a new topic---we are wild and free here (sort of). Ira

doesn't control the posting.

I order cortef from England. write me if you want the addy.

Gracia

circe@...

--- Sam,

I have read where people are using Cortef for adrenals. I can't

remember where, and we can't start a new topic while Ira is away. Is

Cortef available like at Health food store? or is it by prescription?

Polly

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10:59 AM

[Guest guest]

Nancie,

I didn't say there weren't any IgE mediated (anaphylactic) reactions.

The quote was explaining anaphylactoid (anaphylactic-like) reactions.

Evidently both are possible and hard to distinguish.

Chuck

You wrote:

>

>

> as you know chuck, I disagree that the reaction aren't IgE mediated-

> because of my training in immunology says otherwise. you can have IgE

> mediated hypersensitivity reactions with all types of iodine.

> it happens, that is a fact, it just mostly limited to people who already

> have either a genetic predisposition and/or auto-immune diseases.

> nancie

> Gracia wrote:

> >

> > why wouldn't you know that this was organic iodine that is used in

> > contrast dyes? it is not the same as inorganic iodine.

I wrote:

>

> As usual, you are quite wrong. Both kinds are commonly used. The organic

> iodine compounds are iohexol, iodixanol, and ioversol. Iodide compounds

> include Diatrizoate (Hypaque 50), Metrizoate (Isopaque Coronar 370), and

> Ioxaglate (Hexabrix). However, even the organic compounds release

> elemental iodine and cause anaphylactoid reactions. Here's a quote:

>

> " Anaphylactoid reactions occur rarely (Karnegis and Heinz, 1979; Lasser

> et al, 1987; Greenberger and , 1988), but can occur in response

> to injected as well as oral and rectal contrast and even retrograde

> pyelography. They are similar in presentation to anaphylactic reactions,

> but are not caused by an IgE-mediated immune response. Patients with a

> history of contrast reactions, however, are at increased risk of

> anaphylactoid reactions (Greenberger and , 1988; Lang et al,

> 1993). Pretreatment with corticosteroids has been shown to decrease the

> incidence of adverse reactions (Lasser et al, 1988; Greenberger et al,

> 1985; Wittbrodt and Spinler, 1994).

>

> Anaphylactoid reactions range from urticaria and itching, to

> bronchospasm and facial and laryngeal edema. For simple cases of

> urticaria and itching, Benadryl (diphenhydramine) oral or IV is

> appropriate. For more severe reactions, including bronchospasm and

> facial or neck edema, albuterol inhaler, or subcutaneous or IV

> epinephrine, plus diphenhydramine may be needed. If respiration is

> compromised, an airway must be established prior to medical management. "

>

> Chuck

>