RE: New member and wondering about armour

[Guest guest]

It's made from dessicated pig thyroid. That is natural. However, it is processed

for content

and strength and things are added for consistency, fillers, etc. You can go to

the Forest

Labs Armour website. Just put those words into google.

Roni

meralearning <normanarauz@...> wrote:

Hello, tried to go thru back messages. Do most people consider armour

a natural rememdy or natural remedy we are talking about something else.

I'm on a bit of armour and having a moral dilema. Please respond.

Esmeralda

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[Guest guest]

I think there have been a few people on here with a moral dilemma. The pigs

are not just used for their thyroid people go on to consume the rest of it

at breakfast:) I know pig is not good for you, but their thyroid produces

the same hormones ours does. If you go to www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

there is a part on there that tell us why Armour.

cw

-- New member and wondering about armour

Hello, tried to go thru back messages. Do most people consider armour

a natural rememdy or natural remedy we are talking about something else.

I'm on a bit of armour and having a moral dilema. Please respond.

Esmeralda

[Guest guest]

Esmerelda, I was vegetarian when I began taking armour

and I understand what you mean. Many people who I

really respect said that when it comes to your health

and surviving, it is a diferent ball game. I take

armour and love it ... there is nothing else like it

and I would consider it the most natural thyroid med

out there. Hope this helps!

Peace,

--- meralearning <normanarauz@...> wrote:

> Hello, tried to go thru back messages. Do most

> people consider armour

> a natural rememdy or natural remedy we are talking

> about something else.

>

> I'm on a bit of armour and having a moral dilema.

> Please respond.

>

> Esmeralda

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I have been there, especially because I belive that we should not eat

" unclean " foods was was vegan for a long time. Now, I am vegetarian, because

even the healthiest people do consume some animal products. So, it was very

hard for me to consume " Pig " But, I think it was Roni, (who is Jewish) told me

that it is okay to consume that, if it is needed for medical purposes. This

really helped set my mind at ease. I tried a lot of other things, and I found

Armour. Armour is helping me a lot! But, I understand where you are coming

from.

:0)

Hugs,

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

I think there have been a few people on here with a moral dilemma. The

pigs

are not just used for their thyroid people go on to consume the rest of it

at breakfast:) I know pig is not good for you, but their thyroid produces

the same hormones ours does. If you go to www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

there is a part on there that tell us why Armour.

cw

-- New member and wondering about armour

Hello, tried to go thru back messages. Do most people consider armour

a natural rememdy or natural remedy we are talking about something else.

I'm on a bit of armour and having a moral dilema. Please respond.

Esmeralda

[Guest guest]

The pig gland itself is natural; at least until it's processed. But the

method of introduction into your system that consists of digesting a pig

gland in your gut is about as " natural " a way to get T4* into your

system as is taking a Synthroid pill. IMHO.

*With Armour you get T3 [and other things?] as well I think.

>

> Re: New member and wondering about armour

>

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:10 pm (PST)

>

> It's made from dessicated pig thyroid. That is natural. However, it is

> processed for content

> and strength and things are added for consistency, fillers, etc. You

> can go to the Forest

> Labs Armour website. Just put those words into google.

>

> Roni

>

> meralearning <normanarauz@... <mailto:normanarauz%40>>

> wrote:

> Hello, tried to go thru back messages. Do most people consider armour

> a natural rememdy or natural remedy we are talking about something else.

>

> I'm on a bit of armour and having a moral dilema. Please respond.

>

> Esmeralda

[Guest guest]

Crystal,

You wrote:

> ...I know pig is not good for you, but their thyroid produces

> the same hormones ours does....

So do cows, sheep, and test tubes. T4 and T3 are the exact same

bioidentical molecules, regardless of the source. The big issue is the

proportion, which, to meet FDA standards, must be carefully controlled

and stabilized to insure that you get the same dosage in every grain you

take. They do that with chemicals and fast freeze drying after starting

with pork thyroids only. Thus, Armour has the same relation to pig

thyroid tissue as reconstituted fast frozen orange juice does to fresh.

You may like that taste better than orange " drink, " but it is still not

exactly " natural. "

OTOH, there is nothing " natural " about obtaining these hormones through

your stomach, regardless of the animal or laboratory source, where you

have interactions with digestive juices, serum binding albumin and

globulin, and whatever you may eat too close to taking your meds. Plus,

the proportion of T4 to T3 in Armour is NOT the same as what your own

gland produces and was somewhat arbitrarily chosen because it is

relatively inexpensive to maintain.

To be truly " natural, " you need regularly recurring injections near or

in the blood flow of your thyroid gland of exactly the same mix of

thyroxines, including T2, RT3, T1, etc. combined with other human

molecules, that your gland produces, in exactly the same amount that the

pituitary signals for at exactly the right time.

Armour may work better for you, but that is not because it is " natural. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

The problem with Levoxyl/Synthroid (T4 synthetic) is that it is T4 only. In

the human body our thyroid glands put out mostly T4, which is converted to

T3. --->BUT<--- our thyroid glands also put out some T3 directly that is

used in the blood stream immediately, along with trace amounts of T2, T1,

and so forth.

Many many people that take synthetic T4 drugs have their TSH looking like it

is normal, and they have reasonable T4 levels. But if you look at their FT3,

often it is in very low range, the patients still suffer from feeling like

crap, dry thick skin, thinning hair, no energy. They do not convert the T4

synthetic well, and since Synthroid/Levoxyl products do not contain any T3,

these patients do not do thrive. Of course then they are prescribed

anti-depressants and told to to diet because something must be wrong with

their feeble minds.

That is why people/patient swear by using Armour natural thyroid.

We can talk about test tubes and what constitutes a " natural " product....but

fact is Synthroid does not contain the same ingredients as Armour. Plain and

simple.

Chuck mentions " the big issue is proportion " , but this has never been much

of an issue with Armour. Synthroid on the other hand has had 150 lots

recalled, people have ended up in the hospital due to major dosage problems.

Neil

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From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Chuck B

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:55 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: New member and wondering about armour

Crystal,

You wrote:

> ...I know pig is not good for you, but their thyroid produces

> the same hormones ours does....

So do cows, sheep, and test tubes. T4 and T3 are the exact same

bioidentical molecules, regardless of the source. The big issue is the

proportion, which, to meet FDA standards, must be carefully controlled

and stabilized to insure that you get the same dosage in every grain you

take. They do that with chemicals and fast freeze drying after starting

with pork thyroids only. Thus, Armour has the same relation to pig

thyroid tissue as reconstituted fast frozen orange juice does to fresh.

You may like that taste better than orange " drink, " but it is still not

exactly " natural. "

OTOH, there is nothing " natural " about obtaining these hormones through

your stomach, regardless of the animal or laboratory source, where you

have interactions with digestive juices, serum binding albumin and

globulin, and whatever you may eat too close to taking your meds. Plus,

the proportion of T4 to T3 in Armour is NOT the same as what your own

gland produces and was somewhat arbitrarily chosen because it is

relatively inexpensive to maintain.

To be truly " natural, " you need regularly recurring injections near or

in the blood flow of your thyroid gland of exactly the same mix of

thyroxines, including T2, RT3, T1, etc. combined with other human

molecules, that your gland produces, in exactly the same amount that the

pituitary signals for at exactly the right time.

Armour may work better for you, but that is not because it is " natural. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

human recombinant DNA made into Natural thyroid med would work. same way we

made human recombinant DNA insulin to replace the pig insulin from the past.

nancie

Re: New member and wondering about armour

Crystal,

You wrote:

> ...I know pig is not good for you, but their thyroid produces

> the same hormones ours does....

So do cows, sheep, and test tubes. T4 and T3 are the exact same

bioidentical molecules, regardless of the source. The big issue is the

proportion, which, to meet FDA standards, must be carefully controlled

and stabilized to insure that you get the same dosage in every grain you

take. They do that with chemicals and fast freeze drying after starting

with pork thyroids only. Thus, Armour has the same relation to pig

thyroid tissue as reconstituted fast frozen orange juice does to fresh.

You may like that taste better than orange " drink, " but it is still not

exactly " natural. "

OTOH, there is nothing " natural " about obtaining these hormones through

your stomach, regardless of the animal or laboratory source, where you

have interactions with digestive juices, serum binding albumin and

globulin, and whatever you may eat too close to taking your meds. Plus,

the proportion of T4 to T3 in Armour is NOT the same as what your own

gland produces and was somewhat arbitrarily chosen because it is

relatively inexpensive to maintain.

To be truly " natural, " you need regularly recurring injections near or

in the blood flow of your thyroid gland of exactly the same mix of

thyroxines, including T2, RT3, T1, etc. combined with other human

molecules, that your gland produces, in exactly the same amount that the

pituitary signals for at exactly the right time.

Armour may work better for you, but that is not because it is " natural. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Are you kidding? That would mean that maybe we'd be well. Big Pharma doesn't

want that.

We wouldn't buy their poison if we felt well, now would we?

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

human recombinant DNA made into Natural thyroid med would work. same

way we made human recombinant DNA insulin to replace the pig insulin from the

past.

nancie

Re: New member and wondering about armour

Crystal,

You wrote:

> ...I know pig is not good for you, but their thyroid produces

> the same hormones ours does....

So do cows, sheep, and test tubes. T4 and T3 are the exact same

bioidentical molecules, regardless of the source. The big issue is the

proportion, which, to meet FDA standards, must be carefully controlled

and stabilized to insure that you get the same dosage in every grain you

take. They do that with chemicals and fast freeze drying after starting

with pork thyroids only. Thus, Armour has the same relation to pig

thyroid tissue as reconstituted fast frozen orange juice does to fresh.

You may like that taste better than orange " drink, " but it is still not

exactly " natural. "

OTOH, there is nothing " natural " about obtaining these hormones through

your stomach, regardless of the animal or laboratory source, where you

have interactions with digestive juices, serum binding albumin and

globulin, and whatever you may eat too close to taking your meds. Plus,

the proportion of T4 to T3 in Armour is NOT the same as what your own

gland produces and was somewhat arbitrarily chosen because it is

relatively inexpensive to maintain.

To be truly " natural, " you need regularly recurring injections near or

in the blood flow of your thyroid gland of exactly the same mix of

thyroxines, including T2, RT3, T1, etc. combined with other human

molecules, that your gland produces, in exactly the same amount that the

pituitary signals for at exactly the right time.

Armour may work better for you, but that is not because it is " natural. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

LOL that is for sure- sad but true....

nancie

Re: New member and wondering about armour

Crystal,

You wrote:

> ...I know pig is not good for you, but their thyroid produces

> the same hormones ours does....

So do cows, sheep, and test tubes. T4 and T3 are the exact same

bioidentical molecules, regardless of the source. The big issue is the

proportion, which, to meet FDA standards, must be carefully controlled

and stabilized to insure that you get the same dosage in every grain you

take. They do that with chemicals and fast freeze drying after starting

with pork thyroids only. Thus, Armour has the same relation to pig

thyroid tissue as reconstituted fast frozen orange juice does to fresh.

You may like that taste better than orange " drink, " but it is still not

exactly " natural. "

OTOH, there is nothing " natural " about obtaining these hormones through

your stomach, regardless of the animal or laboratory source, where you

have interactions with digestive juices, serum binding albumin and

globulin, and whatever you may eat too close to taking your meds. Plus,

the proportion of T4 to T3 in Armour is NOT the same as what your own

gland produces and was somewhat arbitrarily chosen because it is

relatively inexpensive to maintain.

To be truly " natural, " you need regularly recurring injections near or

in the blood flow of your thyroid gland of exactly the same mix of

thyroxines, including T2, RT3, T1, etc. combined with other human

molecules, that your gland produces, in exactly the same amount that the

pituitary signals for at exactly the right time.

Armour may work better for you, but that is not because it is " natural. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Chuck, are you trying to undermine me? You know what we mean by natural.

We mean it came from a source that God created:) BTW I don't think test

tubes can do it like God did. Also, can you imagine man starting from

nothing God created to make a baby in a test tube? Pretty scary!

cw

-- Re: New member and wondering about armour

Crystal,

You wrote:

> ...I know pig is not good for you, but their thyroid produces

> the same hormones ours does....

So do cows, sheep, and test tubes. T4 and T3 are the exact same

bioidentical molecules, regardless of the source. The big issue is the

proportion, which, to meet FDA standards, must be carefully controlled

and stabilized to insure that you get the same dosage in every grain you

take. They do that with chemicals and fast freeze drying after starting

with pork thyroids only. Thus, Armour has the same relation to pig

thyroid tissue as reconstituted fast frozen orange juice does to fresh.

You may like that taste better than orange " drink, " but it is still not

exactly " natural. "

OTOH, there is nothing " natural " about obtaining these hormones through

your stomach, regardless of the animal or laboratory source, where you

have interactions with digestive juices, serum binding albumin and

globulin, and whatever you may eat too close to taking your meds. Plus,

the proportion of T4 to T3 in Armour is NOT the same as what your own

gland produces and was somewhat arbitrarily chosen because it is

relatively inexpensive to maintain.

To be truly " natural, " you need regularly recurring injections near or

in the blood flow of your thyroid gland of exactly the same mix of

thyroxines, including T2, RT3, T1, etc. combined with other human

molecules, that your gland produces, in exactly the same amount that the

pituitary signals for at exactly the right time.

Armour may work better for you, but that is not because it is " natural. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Do you think it is better if man starts with something that G-d DID create and

then make a

baby in a test tube, like cloning?

Roni

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

Chuck, are you trying to undermine me? You know what we mean by

natural.

We mean it came from a source that God created:) BTW I don't think test

tubes can do it like God did. Also, can you imagine man starting from

nothing God created to make a baby in a test tube? Pretty scary!

cw

-- Re: New member and wondering about armour

Crystal,

You wrote:

> ...I know pig is not good for you, but their thyroid produces

> the same hormones ours does....

So do cows, sheep, and test tubes. T4 and T3 are the exact same

bioidentical molecules, regardless of the source. The big issue is the

proportion, which, to meet FDA standards, must be carefully controlled

and stabilized to insure that you get the same dosage in every grain you

take. They do that with chemicals and fast freeze drying after starting

with pork thyroids only. Thus, Armour has the same relation to pig

thyroid tissue as reconstituted fast frozen orange juice does to fresh.

You may like that taste better than orange " drink, " but it is still not

exactly " natural. "

OTOH, there is nothing " natural " about obtaining these hormones through

your stomach, regardless of the animal or laboratory source, where you

have interactions with digestive juices, serum binding albumin and

globulin, and whatever you may eat too close to taking your meds. Plus,

the proportion of T4 to T3 in Armour is NOT the same as what your own

gland produces and was somewhat arbitrarily chosen because it is

relatively inexpensive to maintain.

To be truly " natural, " you need regularly recurring injections near or

in the blood flow of your thyroid gland of exactly the same mix of

thyroxines, including T2, RT3, T1, etc. combined with other human

molecules, that your gland produces, in exactly the same amount that the

pituitary signals for at exactly the right time.

Armour may work better for you, but that is not because it is " natural. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

neil,

You wrote:

>

>

> Chuck mentions " the big issue is proportion " , but this has never been much

> of an issue with Armour....

Nonsense. Both synthetics and dessicated products have had many recalls

over the years. These are the recalls for Armour just in 2005:

RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER: Amerisource Health Services, Columbus, OH

DATE: April 12, 2005.

REASON: Subpotent: Product may not maintain potency throughout shelf life.

VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE: 58,544/100 tablet bottles.

DISTRIBUTION: Nationwide.

PRODUCT

Armour 30 mg., packaged in 100 tablet bottle containers. Product label

contains NDC 0456-0458-01 (FOREST).

Armour 60 mg., packaged in 100 tablet bottle containers. Product label

contains NDC 0456-0459-01 (FOREST).

Armour 120 mg., packaged in 100 tablet bottle containers. Product label

contains NDC 0456-0461-01 (FOREST).

LOT NUMBERS:

a) Lots 034052, 035064, 035066, 036171, and 036456; Lots 034053,

034488, 035065, 035997, 036500, 040423; c) Lots 034051, 035067, 035995,

035996, 036499, 042018.

RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER: Forest Pharmaceuticals, Inc, Earth City,

MO, Manufacturer: Forest Pharmaceuticals, Inc, Cincinnati, OH.

DATES: March 17, 2005 and March 31, 2005. Firm initiated recall is ongoing.

REASON: Stability failures.

VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE: 6,891/10/10-tab. unit dose strip boxes;

598,552/100-tab. bottles; 10,984/1,000-tab. bottles; 350/5,000-tab.

bottles; 441/50,000-tab. drums.

DISTRIBUTION: Nationwide and Internationally.

PRODUCT

a) Forest Armour Thyroid (thyroid tablets, USP), 1/4 Grain (15 mg), each

tablet contains levothyroxine (T4) 9.5 mcg and liothyronine (T3) 2.25

mcg, packaged in 100-tablet bottles, RX, NDC 0456-0457-01.

Forest Armour Thyroid (thyroid tablets, USP), 1/2 Grain (30 mg), each

tablet contains levothyroxine (T4) 19 mcg and liothyronine (T3) 4.5 mcg,

packaged in 100- and 1,000-tablet bottles, 10/10-tablet unit dose

strips, and in 50,000-tablet drums for repacking only, RX, NDC

0456-0458-01, -00, -63, and ‚69 respectively.

c) Forest Armour Thyroid (thyroid tablets, USP), 1 Grain (60 mg), each

tablet contains levothyroxine (T4) 38 mcg and liothyronine (T3) 9 mcg,

packaged in 100-, 1,000-, and 5,000-tablet bottles, 10/10-tablet unit

dose strips boxes, and 50,000-tablet drums for repacking only, RX, NDC

0456-0459-01, -00, -51, -63, and ‚69 respectively.

d) Forest Armour Thyroid (thyroid tablets, USP), 1 1/2 Grain (90 mg),

each tablet contains levothyroxine (T4) 57 mcg and liothyronine (T3)

13.5 mcg, packaged in 100-tablet bottles, RX, NDC 0456-0460-01.

e) Forest Armour Thyroid (thyroid tablets, USP), 2 Grain (120 mg), each

tablet contains levothyroxine (T4) 76 mcg and liothyronine (T3) 18 mcg,

packaged in 100- and 1,000-tablet bottles, 10/10-tablet unit dose strip

boxes, and 50,000-tablet drums for repacking only, RX, NDC 0456-0461-01,

-00, -63, and ‚69 respectively.

f) Forest Armour Thyroid (thyroid tablets, USP), 3 Grain (180 mg), each

tablet contains levothyroxine (T4) 114 mcg and liothyronine (T3) 27 mcg,

packaged in 100-tablet bottles, RX, NDC 0456-0462-01.

g) Forest Armour Thyroid (thyroid tablets, USP), 4 Grain (240 mg), each

tablet contains levothyroxine (T4) 152 mcg and liothyronine (T3) 36 mcg,

packaged in 100-tablet bottles, RX, NDC 0456-0463-01.

h) Forest Armour Thyroid (thyroid tablets, USP), 5 Grain (300 mg), each

tablet contains levothyroxine (T4) 190 mcg and liothyronine (T3) 45 mcg,

packaged in 100-tablet bottles, RX, NDC 0456-0464-01.

LOT NUMBERS:

a) Lot 080301, Exp. May-05; Lot 080302, Exp. May-05, and Lot 080303,

Exp. May-05;

Unit dose ‚ Lot 100317, Exp. Aug-05; 100-tablet bottles ‚ Lot 060325,

Exp. May-05, Lot 080304, Exp. Jun-05; Lot 080329, Exp. Jun-05; Lot

090317, Exp. Aug-05; Lot 100317, Exp. Aug-05; 50,000-tablet drum ‚ Lot

060324, Exp. May-05; Lot 080304, Exp. Jun-05; Lot 090317, Exp. Aug-05;

1,000-tablet bottle ‚ Lot 060324, Exp. May-05; Lot 060325, Exp. May-05;

Lot 100317, Exp. Aug-05;

c) Unit dose ‚ Lot 070322, Exp. Jun-05; 100-tablet bottles ‚ Lot 070311,

Exp. May-05, Lot 070321, Exp. Jun-05; Lot 070322, Exp. Jun-05;

1,000-tablet bottles - Lot 090308, Exp. Aug-05; 50,000-tablet drums ‚

Lot 070311, Exp. May-05; Lot 110319, Exp. Aug-05;

d) 100-tablet bottles ‚ Lot 040355, Exp. Mar-05; Lot 050315, Exp.

Mar-05; Lot 080340, Exp. Jul-05; Lot 100319, Exp. Aug-05;

e) Unit dose ‚ Lot 080330, Exp. Jul-05; 100-tablet bottles ‚ Lot 040334,

Exp. Mar-05, Lot 040335, Exp. May-05; Lot 070306, Exp. May-05; Lot

080330, Exp. Jul-05; Lot 100318, Exp. Aug-05; 50,000-tablet drum ‚ Lot

040334, Exp. Mar-05, Lot 070306, Exp. May-05, Lot 080330, Exp. Jul-05;

1,000-tablet bottles - Lot 040334, Exp. Mar-05; Lot 040335, Exp. May-05.

f) Lot 050350, Exp. Apr-05; and Lot 080339, Exp. Jul-05;

g) Lot 040347, Exp. Mar-05;

h) Lot 040348, Exp. Mar-05.

RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER: Rx PAK, Memphis, TN

DATE: March 23, 2005.

REASON: Stability Failure.

VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE: 135,500 units.

DISTRIBUTION: Nationwide.

PRODUCT

a) Armour Thyroid (thyroid tablets, USP), 1/2 Grain (30 mg), each tablet

contains levothyroxine (T4) 19 mcg and liothyronine (T3) 4.5 mcg,

packaged in 100-tablet bottles, Rx, NDC 0456-0458-01.;

Armour Thyroid (thyroid tablets, USP), 1 Grain (60 mg), each tablet

contains levothyroxine (T4) 38 mcg and liothyronine (T3) 9 mcg, packaged

in 100-tablet bottles, Rx, NDC 0456-0459-01.

LOT NUMBERS:

a) Lot Nos.: 09164, 09330, 09792, 10427, 10918, 11215;

Lot Nos.: 09530, 09531, 09787, 10011,10794, 11540, 11541.

The proportion of 4.22 to 1 (T4 to T3) is somewhat close to what the

gland delivers, but it is NOT what gets through the digestive system.

Thus, it is an arbitrary and unrealistic (unnatural?) ratio.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Crystal,

You wrote:

>

> Chuck, are you trying to undermine me? You know what we mean by natural.

> We mean it came from a source that God created:)...

Did God create orange juice concentrate or freeze dried powdered eggs?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

According to the religious model God created everything. Including all

the parts that go into making the test tube and anything produced in

it. And including the human talent that puts it all together. So, it's

all " natural " ...

>

> Re: New member and wondering about armour

>

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>

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> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

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> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:34 pm (PST)

>

> Chuck, are you trying to undermine me? You know what we mean by natural.

> We mean it came from a source that God created:) BTW I don't think test

> tubes can do it like God did. Also, can you imagine man starting from

> nothing God created to make a baby in a test tube? Pretty scary!

> cw

[Guest guest]

Well, now at least we agree on one thing, . Everything was made by him.

Albeit, I wouldn't call it natural, I would call it adulterated.

Blessings,

<res075oh@...> wrote:

According to the religious model God created everything. Including all

the parts that go into making the test tube and anything produced in

it. And including the human talent that puts it all together. So, it's

all " natural " ...

>

> Re: New member and wondering about armour

>

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>

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

<mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20New%20member%20and%20wondering%2\

0about%20armour>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:34 pm (PST)

>

> Chuck, are you trying to undermine me? You know what we mean by natural.

> We mean it came from a source that God created:) BTW I don't think test

> tubes can do it like God did. Also, can you imagine man starting from

> nothing God created to make a baby in a test tube? Pretty scary!

> cw

[Guest guest]

Yes, I would call this " free will " . I need to clarify that: Man

" creates " things for his own VANITY. Although, some use good things for good.

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

Sometimes I think Satan inspires man to make things. For instance, abortion

tools.

CW

-- Re: Re: New member and wondering about armour

Well, now at least we agree on one thing, . Everything was made by him.

Albeit, I wouldn't call it natural, I would call it adulterated.

Blessings,

<res075oh@...> wrote:

According to the religious model God created everything. Including all

the parts that go into making the test tube and anything produced in

it. And including the human talent that puts it all together. So, it's

all " natural " ...

>

> Re: New member and wondering about armour

> <hypothyroidism/message/35459

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@cox

net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20New%20member%20and%20wondering%20about%20armour>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:34 pm (PST)

>

> Chuck, are you trying to undermine me? You know what we mean by natural.

> We mean it came from a source that God created:) BTW I don't think test

> tubes can do it like God did. Also, can you imagine man starting from

> nothing God created to make a baby in a test tube? Pretty scary!

> cw

[Guest guest]

No I was referring to things like growing a baby without the help of a woman

s body. Eeewww. I don't mind fertilizing an egg then implanting into the

uterus.

cw

-- Re: New member and wondering about armour

Crystal,

You wrote:

> ...I know pig is not good for you, but their thyroid produces

> the same hormones ours does....

So do cows, sheep, and test tubes. T4 and T3 are the exact same

bioidentical molecules, regardless of the source. The big issue is the

proportion, which, to meet FDA standards, must be carefully controlled

and stabilized to insure that you get the same dosage in every grain you

take. They do that with chemicals and fast freeze drying after starting

with pork thyroids only. Thus, Armour has the same relation to pig

thyroid tissue as reconstituted fast frozen orange juice does to fresh.

You may like that taste better than orange " drink, " but it is still not

exactly " natural. "

OTOH, there is nothing " natural " about obtaining these hormones through

your stomach, regardless of the animal or laboratory source, where you

have interactions with digestive juices, serum binding albumin and

globulin, and whatever you may eat too close to taking your meds. Plus,

the proportion of T4 to T3 in Armour is NOT the same as what your own

gland produces and was somewhat arbitrarily chosen because it is

relatively inexpensive to maintain.

To be truly " natural, " you need regularly recurring injections near or

in the blood flow of your thyroid gland of exactly the same mix of

thyroxines, including T2, RT3, T1, etc. combined with other human

molecules, that your gland produces, in exactly the same amount that the

pituitary signals for at exactly the right time.

Armour may work better for you, but that is not because it is " natural. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

He created the orange, chicken and in Armour's case, the pig.

-- Re: New member and wondering about armour

Crystal,

You wrote:

>

> Chuck, are you trying to undermine me? You know what we mean by natural.

> We mean it came from a source that God created:)...

Did God create orange juice concentrate or freeze dried powdered eggs?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Don't feel bad, Crystal, Man also makes tools to deliver babies, save cancerous

breasts

produce chocolate, create poetry, build homes and much, much more. We always

have

to keep in mind that if we didn't know what bad is, we wouldn't know what good

is either.

Everything in nature has to have balance.

Roni

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

Sometimes I think Satan inspires man to make things. For instance, abortion

tools.

CW

-- Re: Re: New member and wondering about armour

Well, now at least we agree on one thing, . Everything was made by him.

Albeit, I wouldn't call it natural, I would call it adulterated.

Blessings,

<res075oh@...> wrote:

According to the religious model God created everything. Including all

the parts that go into making the test tube and anything produced in

it. And including the human talent that puts it all together. So, it's

all " natural " ...

>

> Re: New member and wondering about armour

> <hypothyroidism/message/35459

_ylc=X3oDMTJxNnBrMTZvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

DIEbXNnSWQDMzU0NTkEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDg3NzUyOA-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@cox

net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20New%20member%20and%20wondering%20about%20armour>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:34 pm (PST)

>

> Chuck, are you trying to undermine me? You know what we mean by natural.

> We mean it came from a source that God created:) BTW I don't think test

> tubes can do it like God did. Also, can you imagine man starting from

> nothing God created to make a baby in a test tube? Pretty scary!

> cw

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, it looks to me that that is exactly where this is going. Euwww

from me too.

Roni

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

No I was referring to things like growing a baby without the help of a

woman

s body. Eeewww. I don't mind fertilizing an egg then implanting into the

uterus.

cw

-- Re: New member and wondering about armour

Crystal,

You wrote:

> ...I know pig is not good for you, but their thyroid produces

> the same hormones ours does....

So do cows, sheep, and test tubes. T4 and T3 are the exact same

bioidentical molecules, regardless of the source. The big issue is the

proportion, which, to meet FDA standards, must be carefully controlled

and stabilized to insure that you get the same dosage in every grain you

take. They do that with chemicals and fast freeze drying after starting

with pork thyroids only. Thus, Armour has the same relation to pig

thyroid tissue as reconstituted fast frozen orange juice does to fresh.

You may like that taste better than orange " drink, " but it is still not

exactly " natural. "

OTOH, there is nothing " natural " about obtaining these hormones through

your stomach, regardless of the animal or laboratory source, where you

have interactions with digestive juices, serum binding albumin and

globulin, and whatever you may eat too close to taking your meds. Plus,

the proportion of T4 to T3 in Armour is NOT the same as what your own

gland produces and was somewhat arbitrarily chosen because it is

relatively inexpensive to maintain.

To be truly " natural, " you need regularly recurring injections near or

in the blood flow of your thyroid gland of exactly the same mix of

thyroxines, including T2, RT3, T1, etc. combined with other human

molecules, that your gland produces, in exactly the same amount that the

pituitary signals for at exactly the right time.

Armour may work better for you, but that is not because it is " natural. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hey guys, don't fight. I don't care how they make the stuff they make as long as

it works and

is not toxic to my body, like digoxin and coumadin.

Roni

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

He created the orange, chicken and in Armour's case, the pig.

-- Re: New member and wondering about armour

Crystal,

You wrote:

>

> Chuck, are you trying to undermine me? You know what we mean by natural.

> We mean it came from a source that God created:)...

Did God create orange juice concentrate or freeze dried powdered eggs?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

We should try to consume things as close to the way God created them

as possible, before Man tried to make them into something " better " .

But since I'm not prepared to sit down to a heaping plate of juicy

thyroid glands (yum), I'll just take my pig thyroid sublinqually.

Thank you very much (o;. ~

> >

> > Chuck, are you trying to undermine me? You know what we mean by

natural.

> > We mean it came from a source that God created:)...

>

> Did God create orange juice concentrate or freeze dried powdered eggs?

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Wouldn't it be amazing if we found everyone in the

U.S. cheap sources for their meds from other countries

and just sucked the current pharm. companies dry? Then

new companies would be created and everyone would get

really involved so they wouldn't charge way too much

and get really corrupt.

Okay, back to reality,

--- Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

> LOL that is for sure- sad but true....

> nancie

> Re: New member and

> wondering about armour

>

> Crystal,

>

> You wrote:

> > ...I know pig is not good for you, but their

> thyroid produces

> > the same hormones ours does....

>

> So do cows, sheep, and test tubes. T4 and T3 are

> the exact same

> bioidentical molecules, regardless of the source.

> The big issue is the

> proportion, which, to meet FDA standards, must be

> carefully controlled

> and stabilized to insure that you get the same

> dosage in every grain you

> take. They do that with chemicals and fast freeze

> drying after starting

> with pork thyroids only. Thus, Armour has the same

> relation to pig

> thyroid tissue as reconstituted fast frozen orange

> juice does to fresh.

> You may like that taste better than orange

> " drink, " but it is still not

> exactly " natural. "

>

> OTOH, there is nothing " natural " about obtaining

> these hormones through

> your stomach, regardless of the animal or

> laboratory source, where you

> have interactions with digestive juices, serum

> binding albumin and

> globulin, and whatever you may eat too close to

> taking your meds. Plus,

> the proportion of T4 to T3 in Armour is NOT the

> same as what your own

> gland produces and was somewhat arbitrarily chosen

> because it is

> relatively inexpensive to maintain.

>

> To be truly " natural, " you need regularly

> recurring injections near or

> in the blood flow of your thyroid gland of exactly

> the same mix of

> thyroxines, including T2, RT3, T1, etc. combined

> with other human

> molecules, that your gland produces, in exactly

> the same amount that the

> pituitary signals for at exactly the right time.

>

> Armour may work better for you, but that is not

> because it is " natural. "

>

> Chuck

>

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I think I read that it was illegal to import drugs from another country. That

way they

can rape the American patients to their hearts content.

We pay more for drugs than any other country in the world, because that is the

way

it is set up.

Roni

Bradin <ebradi3951@...> wrote:

Wouldn't it be amazing if we found everyone in the

U.S. cheap sources for their meds from other countries

and just sucked the current pharm. companies dry? Then

new companies would be created and everyone would get

really involved so they wouldn't charge way too much

and get really corrupt.

Okay, back to reality,

--- Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

> LOL that is for sure- sad but true....

> nancie

> Re: New member and

> wondering about armour

>

> Crystal,

>

> You wrote:

> > ...I know pig is not good for you, but their

> thyroid produces

> > the same hormones ours does....

>

> So do cows, sheep, and test tubes. T4 and T3 are

> the exact same

> bioidentical molecules, regardless of the source.

> The big issue is the

> proportion, which, to meet FDA standards, must be

> carefully controlled

> and stabilized to insure that you get the same

> dosage in every grain you

> take. They do that with chemicals and fast freeze

> drying after starting

> with pork thyroids only. Thus, Armour has the same

> relation to pig

> thyroid tissue as reconstituted fast frozen orange

> juice does to fresh.

> You may like that taste better than orange

> " drink, " but it is still not

> exactly " natural. "

>

> OTOH, there is nothing " natural " about obtaining

> these hormones through

> your stomach, regardless of the animal or

> laboratory source, where you

> have interactions with digestive juices, serum

> binding albumin and

> globulin, and whatever you may eat too close to

> taking your meds. Plus,

> the proportion of T4 to T3 in Armour is NOT the

> same as what your own

> gland produces and was somewhat arbitrarily chosen

> because it is

> relatively inexpensive to maintain.

>

> To be truly " natural, " you need regularly

> recurring injections near or

> in the blood flow of your thyroid gland of exactly

> the same mix of

> thyroxines, including T2, RT3, T1, etc. combined

> with other human

> molecules, that your gland produces, in exactly

> the same amount that the

> pituitary signals for at exactly the right time.

>

> Armour may work better for you, but that is not

> because it is " natural. "

>

> Chuck

>

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